m1tch:
Always been legal for an empty container. If it’s loaded then it must be on a skelly or flatbed with working twistlocks.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
No it doesn’t I can go into any port in the country and load either 20 or 40 footers without twistlocks and have in the not too distant past
scottie0011:
m1tch:
Always been legal for an empty container. If it’s loaded then it must be on a skelly or flatbed with working twistlocks.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
No it doesn’t I can go into any port in the country and load either 20 or 40 footers without twistlocks and have in the not too distant past
It’s policy in most ports not to load with out twist locks . London gateway will often Send someone up to check if they can’t see all 4 on the cameras on a flat bed . My last lot had a cpl turned away because a twist lock would not stay up even thou it will have pushed up and locked when the container was on .
chester1:
scottie0011:
m1tch:
Always been legal for an empty container. If it’s loaded then it must be on a skelly or flatbed with working twistlocks.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
No it doesn’t I can go into any port in the country and load either 20 or 40 footers without twistlocks and have in the not too distant past
It’s policy in most ports not to load with out twist locks . London gateway will often Send someone up to check if they can’t see all 4 on the cameras on a flat bed . My last lot had a cpl turned away because a twist lock would not stay up even thou it will have pushed up and locked when the container was on .
That’s a company policy nothing to do with any legal bearing
mat79:
Just had a read up on it.
It’s not illegal just regarded as bad practice.
Found this below…The operator is confronted with a number of problems when attempting to carry ISO containers on vehicles not equipped with twist locks. Unlike normal box type loads that spread their weight over a large area, containers are designed to stand on the twist lock sockets or feet that protrude down at each corner. With heavy containers this produces high point loading that could over-stress a normal platform floor. Other platform vehicles may have raised or wide section side ledges which would prevent the container from resting on the platform floor. The resultant interface between the side ledges and the container feet would offer little frictional resistance making it virtually impossible to secure the container on to the vehicle safely and the practice should be avoided.
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There you go, not recommended, but that’s only because of muppetry, if you cross chain down from the top corner castings to chain rings it won’t go anywhere.
In summary, NOT ILLEGAL.
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scottie0011:
m1tch:
Always been legal for an empty container. If it’s loaded then it must be on a skelly or flatbed with working twistlocks.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
No it doesn’t I can go into any port in the country and load either 20 or 40 footers without twistlocks and have in the not too distant past
Pentalver wont load onto flatbeds without twist locks. Company policy, not a legal one
For those old enough to remember FreightLiners before the invention of straps and twist locks…we would load them from Park Royal to Fords at Dagenham.on 27ft single axle trailers ( max length at the time ) before 33fts came about…and we loaded them on the Rave ( ask your grandad lol ) and only use ropes to hold them there, mind you we used doubles and triple dollies ( ask your grandad again lol ) these were loaded with coils of steel, and pulled by a Ford D800, 1000, or Transcon vehicles that Fords would only allow into its factory…if it was a volvo or scania, they had to tip it while you waited down the road, as only ford vehicles were allowed in the gate.
This system was rectified at a later date as they couldnt get enough steel…ha ha
Riki, do you remember a fella by the name of Ray Tan? He did a bit for them lot way back when.
nick2008:
chester1:
scottie0011:
m1tch:
Always been legal for an empty container. If it’s loaded then it must be on a skelly or flatbed with working twistlocks.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
No it doesn’t I can go into any port in the country and load either 20 or 40 footers without twistlocks and have in the not too distant past
It’s policy in most ports not to load with out twist locks . London gateway will often Send someone up to check if they can’t see all 4 on the cameras on a flat bed . My last lot had a cpl turned away because a twist lock would not stay up even thou it will have pushed up and locked when the container was on .
That’s a company policy nothing to do with any legal bearing
I didn’t say it had any legal bearing I replied to someone saying they could go into any port and get loaded without twist locks. personally would have no problem with carrying and empty box on a flat with straps and often do ! Although strapped a little differently and with chains loaded .
the maoster:
Riki, do you remember a fella by the name of Ray Tan? He did a bit for them lot way back when.
Cant say I do , can ask the chaps if they remember him
Rikki-UK:
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some strips of rubber and a few chains not a twistlock in sight
No container either…
the nodding donkey:
Rikki-UK:
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some strips of rubber and a few chains not a twistlock in sightNo container either…
It’s a flat rack . An open container
scottie0011:
Pat Hasler:
It was made illegal many years ago in the UK, as stated already most flat beds have twist locks built into them.Complete bullshine, please show me a link to this law please.
I remember when the dockers had a bit of a hissy fit about twistlocks in the 70’s, if you had two they would load you, they didn’t like you roping up on the pad because it prevented them working [emoji3]
Mind you they had a hissy fit if you didn’t have a name on the door either.
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the nodding donkey:
No container either…
Ahem … 
Flat Rack Container Dimensions
Flat rack containers are frequently used instead of general intermodal cargo containers where freight is bulky, heavy or cannot be loaded through open top or side doors. Building materials, logs and machinery are often transported or exported on a flat rack or “flat bed” container.
Note that these containers are recognized in the ISO shipping container standards and, as such must be accompanied by an appropriate ISO container code.
Click to learn more: shippingcontainers24.com/dim … z4jstLzb7i
Wheel Nut:
scottie0011:
Pat Hasler:
It was made illegal many years ago in the UK, as stated already most flat beds have twist locks built into them.Complete bullshine, please show me a link to this law please.
I remember when the dockers had a bit of a hissy fit about twistlocks in the 70’s, if you had two they would load you, they didn’t like you roping up on the pad because it prevented them working [emoji3]
Mind you they had a hissy fit if you didn’t have a name on the door either.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Lancashire Flats didn’t have twist locks fitted, and the railways used bottle screws
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Rikki-UK:
the nodding donkey:
No container either…Ahem …
Flat Rack Container Dimensions
Flat rack containers are frequently used instead of general intermodal cargo containers where freight is bulky, heavy or cannot be loaded through open top or side doors. Building materials, logs and machinery are often transported or exported on a flat rack or “flat bed” container.
Note that these containers are recognized in the ISO shipping container standards and, as such must be accompanied by an appropriate ISO container code.
Click to learn more: shippingcontainers24.com/dim … z4jstLzb7i
Donkey you’ve been shot down in flames 
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msgyorkie:
foresttrucker:
Maybe I’m mistaken but on my CPC course after we watched the video on the unfortunate lady who was crushed by such a container after the ratchet straps failed - the course teacher said that containers can ONLY be transported with twistlocks.Pure rubbish and poppycock. Us cabin boys haul all shapes and sizes of boxes including wide and rear overhang that are just secured with 5 tonne ratchet straps. Been pulled by VOSA and the only comment I had was that they didnt want the ratchet secured to the rope hook but to attach to the frame of the flatbed. After adjusting the straps they were happy and away I went.
I agree with you, rope hooks are there for a reason, straps with claw hooks, shackles or D rings have a place, ropes go on rope hooks. There are a lot of drivers who forgot to ask for a bag of common sense when they were sent for a long stand [emoji846]
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Wheel Nut:
msgyorkie:
foresttrucker:
Maybe I’m mistaken but on my CPC course after we watched the video on the unfortunate lady who was crushed by such a container after the ratchet straps failed - the course teacher said that containers can ONLY be transported with twistlocks.Pure rubbish and poppycock. Us cabin boys haul all shapes and sizes of boxes including wide and rear overhang that are just secured with 5 tonne ratchet straps. Been pulled by VOSA and the only comment I had was that they didnt want the ratchet secured to the rope hook but to attach to the frame of the flatbed. After adjusting the straps they were happy and away I went.
I agree with you, rope hooks are there for a reason, straps with claw hooks, shackles or D rings have a place, ropes go on rope hooks. There are a lot of drivers who forgot to ask for a bag of common sense when they were sent for a long stand [emoji846]
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This post intrigued me slightly so I mentioned it to a friend who supplies generators to banks, offices and railway companies, he said many of their generators are fitted with crane loops and also able to be moved and positioned with a skip lorry using the same system as a skip. They can still be transported on a flat bed and chained down from the crane loops. It sounds sensible to me. I imagine a roll on/off or Multilift system would be equally as good
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