Start duty 1200
WORK 1200-1300
DRIVE 1301-1400
WORK1401-1700
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REST 1701-1716
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WORK 1717-1814
End duty 1814
Technically it is breaking the rules as you’ve worked over 6 hours without a break of at least 15 minutes.
Yes, that is legal for the WTD as you have a duty time of 6 hours and 14 minutes which breaks down as 5 hours 59 minutes work* and 15 minutes break so you did not exceed 6 hours work without a break of at least 15 minutes, in fact you didn’t exceed 6 hours work.
Incidentally the period from 17:01 - 17:16 is break, not rest, they are different. 
*For the purposes of this answer I assumed the missing minutes 13:00 - 13:01, 14:00 - 14:01, 17:00 - 17:01 and 17:16 - 17:17 to be work.
Would I be correct in saying that he could have started at 1200 and finished at 1800 without taking any break at all?
If I am correct then taking the break at 1700 could have been missed out and he could have gone home 15 mins earlier than what he did - yes?
Replying in a hurry I somehow saw 12:00 to 17:01 as more than 6 hours 
My apologies to eurodad, as Coffeeholic said it is perfectly legal.
Cheers
tachograph:
Replying in a hurry I somehow saw 12:00 to 17:01 as more than 6 hoursMy apologies to eurodad, as Coffeeholic said it is perfectly legal.
For future questions… 
44 Tonne Ton:
tachograph:
Replying in a hurry I somehow saw 12:00 to 17:01 as more than 6 hoursMy apologies to eurodad, as Coffeeholic said it is perfectly legal.
For future questions…
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Thanks I’ll buy one this-afternoon
44 Tonne Ton:
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I just use fingers and toes, good job I have 6 toes on one foot because it means with ■■■■■ and testicles I can get to 24 for calculating the answer to this sort of question. 
Hi
Aren’t you supposed to have a break of 30 mins after (or during) a period of 6 hours work (combined driving and other work)? Or at least commence the balance of a 30 mins break after 6 hours i.e 15 mins within the 6 hours and the another 15 mins at the end of 6 hours.
In other words, a break of 30 mins must be taken for a period of 6 hours work?
MAT:
HiAren’t you supposed to have a break of 30 mins after (or during) a period of 6 hours work (combined driving and other work)? Or at least commence the balance of a 30 mins break after 6 hours i.e 15 mins within the 6 hours and the another 15 mins at the end of 6 hours.
In other words, a break of 30 mins must be taken for a period of 6 hours work?
No but what you’ve posted does seem to be one of the more prolific misunderstandings of the RT(WT)R.
The rules require that if you work between 6 and 9 hours working time you should have a break of at least 30 minutes interrupting that time.
This break can be split into separate parts of no less than 15 minutes each.
The rules also state that no worker should work for more than 6 hours without a break, but the length of time for this break is not stipulated in the regulations so it’s assumed to be the shortest break which counts for the RT(WT)R which is 15 minutes.
So if you work between 6 and 9 hours you should have a break of at least 15 minutes before exceeding 6 hours working time and another break of at least 15 minutes to be completed before reaching 9 hours working time, alternatively you could take a 30 minute break before exceeding 6 hours working time.
Thanks for the clarification, and having searched on your acronym - RT (WT) R - I found this site The Road Transport (Working Time) Regulations 2005 which supports what you’ve said.
I must say that this is a common misunderstanding - certainly among the people I work with as there’s a lot of debate over this 6 hour rule and combining it with driving hours breaks, and consequently how long it takes to do a shift.
So it is actually possible / legal to do a 15 hour shift with 45 mins break, assuming that you need less than 9 hours driving time. e.g…
Start 00.00 Other work / driving combination 06.00 15 min break 06.15 Other work / driving combination (assumes the driving to this point is less than 4.5 hours) 08.45 30 min break 09.15 Other work / driving combination 15.00 end of shift.
The question of how much break is required for what is commonly referred to as the 6 hour rule is becoming one of the more frequent debates on TrucknetUK.
If you search the forums you’ll find that it’s been misunderstood by drivers, transport managers and commonly misunderstood by “Driver CPC” training instructors.
It’s certainly possible and legal under the right circumstances to do a 15 hour shift with only 45 minutes of break if the driving time is no more than 9 hours.
tachograph:
The question of how much break is required for what is commonly referred to as the 6 hour rule is becoming one of the more frequent debates on TrucknetUK.If you search the forums you’ll find that it’s been misunderstood by drivers, transport managers and commonly misunderstood by “Driver CPC” training instructors.
It’s certainly possible and legal under the right circumstances to do a 15 hour shift with only 45 minutes of break if the driving time is no more than 9 hours.
Which is what 561/2006 was designed to prevent anyway 
It has proved possible under the rules of Regulation (EEC)
No 3820/85 to schedule daily driving periods and breaks
to enable a driver to drive for too long without a full
break, leading to reduced road safety and a deterioration
in the driver’s working conditions. It is therefore
appropriate to ensure that split breaks are so ordered
as to prevent abuse.
Wheel Nut:
tachograph:
The question of how much break is required for what is commonly referred to as the 6 hour rule is becoming one of the more frequent debates on TrucknetUK.If you search the forums you’ll find that it’s been misunderstood by drivers, transport managers and commonly misunderstood by “Driver CPC” training instructors.
It’s certainly possible and legal under the right circumstances to do a 15 hour shift with only 45 minutes of break if the driving time is no more than 9 hours.
Which is what 561/2006 was designed to prevent anyway
It has proved possible under the rules of Regulation (EEC)
No 3820/85 to schedule daily driving periods and breaks
to enable a driver to drive for too long without a full
break, leading to reduced road safety and a deterioration
in the driver’s working conditions. It is therefore
appropriate to ensure that split breaks are so ordered
as to prevent abuse.
There’s no doubt in my mind that the logic behind parts of (EC) 561/2006 is somewhat lacking to say the least, where’s the logic in being able to wear yourself out ■■■■■■■ heavy sacks for 1 1/2 hours and then immediately and legally do 4 1/2 hours driving, but you cannot legally drive for 4 1/2 hours then immediately even sweep the floor without having a break first 
Now given that the EU bureaucrats couldn’t formulate one directive logically how would you expect them to formulate two interacting directives (“(EC) 561/2006” and “DIRECTIVE 2002/15/EC”) that work in a sensible and logical manner
They should make other work and driving count as the same thing. POA is an abortion and should be consigned to the dustbin. Drivers should be required to take a break after a set period regardless of whether it’s “other work” or driving.