cav551:
There are now calls to do it again. There is a now a petition for a second referendum because the losers don’t likethe result. My vote is apparently only worthhalf that of those who disagree with me.
Soviet style Socialism in action.As I’ve said this type of argument and division rarely if ever has a democratic or happy ending.The fact is these zb’s were/are never going to accept anything other than the continuation of their ultimate agenda to its inevitable end game in turning this country into a Socialist State of a Socialist Soviet EU Federation.All that because the Conservatives would rather make a deal with Socialism than pay decent wages to the country’s own workforce. 
Hopefully smart meters will be scrapped now as that was a EU directive, and we wont have to have low powered toasters and kettles , a little digging it’s surprising the amount of interference the eu is responsible for
cav551:
There are now calls to do it again. There is a now a petition for a second referendum because the losers don’t likethe result. My vote is apparently only worthhalf that of those who disagree with me.
Yes and how many of those who have signed that petition are not eligible to vote in this country? The people have spoken they should get a life
tommy t:
Yes and how many of those who have signed that petition are not eligible to vote in this country?
Probably on the basis that they don’t recognise the legitamacy of the nation state and national borders or democracy as we know it. 
i can not make up my mind about the scotland issue should they have a second referendum as there whole country voted to stay in ?
i would be happy for them to vote to leave the uk if thats what they want to do just so long as they have to stand on there own 2 feet and not expect the rest of us to pay anything towards there country they can tax there own people in there own country and live of there own income as that what independence has to mean
i can see borders at carlise the scots needing a visa to come to England sounds like heaven to me lol
but seriously i can find no argument for the scots to not have a second referendum on them staying or leaving the uk if they want to be in the eu so much and want to weloome all the eu nationals to there lands the problem is i dont think they could afford the huge numbers of people that would come or would they go to scotland in huge numbers ? either way i wish the scots luck if they do go there own way
i wonder if we would get tax cuts as we wouldnt have to pay any of our taxes to scotland the Barnett formula can be ripped up scotland would be its own country and claim funds from the eu only not the eu and the uk should they go that way
desypete:
i can not make up my mind about the scotland issue should they have a second referendum as there whole country voted to stay in ?
i would be happy for them to vote to leave the uk if thats what they want to do just so long as they have to stand on there own 2 feet and not expect the rest of us to pay anything towards there country they can tax there own people in there own country and live of there own income as that what independence has to mean
i can see borders at carlise the scots needing a visa to come to England sounds like heaven to me lol
but seriously i can find no argument for the scots to not have a second referendum on them staying or leaving the uk if they want to be in the eu so much and want to weloome all the eu nationals to there lands the problem is i dont think they could afford the huge numbers of people that would come or would they go to scotland in huge numbers ? either way i wish the scots luck if they do go there own way
i wonder if we would get tax cuts as we wouldnt have to pay any of our taxes to scotland the Barnett formula can be ripped up scotland would be its own country and claim funds from the eu only not the eu and the uk should they go that way
Watching the referendum votes being declared most of Scotland didn’t bother to vote the turnout was low as well, Let’s assume sturgeon got here way and the result was to leave the uk, then what? they wouldn’t be able to have Stirling as currency all the subsidies from Westminster would cease , and as for Scotland becoming a EU member would the EU even want them? They would need a lot of funding for the big electrified fence from west coast to east coast and border guards & dogs as well as several border control points , as if they want the invaders in their country we would make it a condition of that’s were they would stay
desypete:
i can not make up my mind about the scotland issue should they have a second referendum as there whole country voted to stay in ?
i would be happy for them to vote to leave the uk if thats what they want to do just so long as they have to stand on there own 2 feet and not expect the rest of us to pay anything towards there country they can tax there own people in there own country and live of there own income as that what independence has to mean
i can see borders at carlise the scots needing a visa to come to England sounds like heaven to me lol
but seriously i can find no argument for the scots to not have a second referendum on them staying or leaving the uk if they want to be in the eu so much and want to weloome all the eu nationals to there lands the problem is i dont think they could afford the huge numbers of people that would come or would they go to scotland in huge numbers ? either way i wish the scots luck if they do go there own way
i wonder if we would get tax cuts as we wouldnt have to pay any of our taxes to scotland the Barnett formula can be ripped up scotland would be its own country and claim funds from the eu only not the eu and the uk should they go that way
^ This.
The problem being the question of what happens when the Conservatives are faced with the inevitable clear choice between letting Scotland go or derailing Brexit by kicking it into the long grass.
The signs don’t look good in that regard.Bearing in mind that the referendum result isn’t the same thing as Brexit and they have confirmed their commitment to maintaining the UK at all costs.But no actual timescale for Brexit in the form of the immediate invoking of article 50 and negotiations regards re joining EFTA as of Monday morning.
While the position of anti Federalist EU but pro Federalist UK is a long outdated contradiction that should have been ditched long ago by the Leave Group in the form of a Confederal UK which would mean no need for a Scottish referendum to get its Sovereignty anyway.Which the Leave group should be doing ASAP in addition to kicking off the Brexit process.
While if the Scots are then stupid enough to throw their sovereignty away in the form of the EU that’s their problem not ours.
tommy t:
Watching the referendum votes being declared most of Scotland didn’t bother to vote the turnout was low as well, Let’s assume sturgeon got here way and the result was to leave the uk, then what? they wouldn’t be able to have Stirling as currency all the subsidies from Westminster would cease , and as for Scotland becoming a EU member would the EU even want them? They would need a lot of funding for the big electrified fence from west coast to east coast and border guards & dogs as well as several border control points , as if they want the invaders in their country we would make it a condition of that’s were they would stay
The fact is if we want to get out of the EU we have to let Scotland go on amicable terms.Anything else is not only contradictory and counterprductive but it’s bleedin hypocritical.
desypete:
i can not make up my mind about the scotland issue should they have a second referendum as there whole country voted to stay in ?
It’s not up to you and you’ll have zero say on the matter so I wouldnt tax yourself to much thinking about it and weighing up the differences. Its not up to me either unfortunately. Its that poisoned dwarf on an ego trip that’s pushing for it.
BTW, The whole country of Scotland didnt vote to stay in. There was only a 600,000 difference and about a million who didnt vote. Much like the Scottish referendum, you take the vote as a whole and seem to think Jimmy Krankie speaks for us all. I voted to leave the EU and I voted for independence as well. Open your eyes and look at the true figures and dont lump everyone in the same boat
You going to have a vote to get rid of London, Newcastle, Leeds and Liverpool as well?
brick layers wanted,
english scottish boarder to buildwall. day/night shift available
when complete all the remain voters can move to scotland and be in the eu
The-Snowman:
desypete:
i can not make up my mind about the scotland issue should they have a second referendum as there whole country voted to stay in ?
It’s not up to you and you’ll have zero say on the matter so I wouldnt tax yourself to much thinking about it and weighing up the differences. Its not up to me either unfortunately. Its that poisoned dwarf on an ego trip that’s pushing for it.
BTW, The whole country of Scotland didnt vote to stay in. There was only a 600,000 difference and about a million who didnt vote. Much like the Scottish referendum, you take the vote as a whole and seem to think Jimmy Krankie speaks for us all. I voted to leave the EU and I voted for independence as well. Open your eyes and look at the true figures and dont lump everyone in the same boat
You going to have a vote to get rid of London, Newcastle, Leeds and Liverpool as well?
i know it not up to me but i am trying to think fairly as the country of Scotland voted to stay in the eu and there only way to secure what there people want is to go it alone, the citys in England that voted are a part of England and they have to accept the huge vote in England that voted to get out
the result in the country of scotland was clear to stay in and they are after all a country of there own free to stay in the uk or ship out
just so long as scotland does not want englands tax payers money as well as eu money for there own ends i would have no problem if they go it alone and stand on there own 2 feet and take no futher part in our parliament
being independent has to mean being independent not being independent but still needing to be dependant on money from the uk
which is what i think the lady with the strong accent seems to believe is what is going to be seen as fair for scotland
The-Snowman:
desypete:
i can not make up my mind about the scotland issue should they have a second referendum as there whole country voted to stay in ?
It’s not up to you and you’ll have zero say on the matter so I wouldnt tax yourself to much thinking about it and weighing up the differences. Its not up to me either unfortunately. Its that poisoned dwarf on an ego trip that’s pushing for it.
BTW, The whole country of Scotland didnt vote to stay in. There was only a 600,000 difference and about a million who didnt vote. Much like the Scottish referendum, you take the vote as a whole and seem to think Jimmy Krankie speaks for us all. I voted to leave the EU and I voted for independence as well. Open your eyes and look at the true figures and dont lump everyone in the same boat
You going to have a vote to get rid of London, Newcastle, Leeds and Liverpool as well?
The difference is London and Leeds and Liverpool etc are all within England and the London and Leeds in vote is largely made up of an unrepresentative immigrant enclave local majority that obviously regards itself as non English.Which needs to be ‘re distributed’ around the country by a massive programme of demolition and/or re settlement.If we don’t do that we’re storing up a world of trouble in the long term.
As for Scotland no that’s your country not ours and if it wants to hand itself over to the EU that’s not our problem it’s yours.
Carryfast:
The-Snowman:
desypete:
i can not make up my mind about the scotland issue should they have a second referendum as there whole country voted to stay in ?
It’s not up to you and you’ll have zero say on the matter so I wouldnt tax yourself to much thinking about it and weighing up the differences. Its not up to me either unfortunately. Its that poisoned dwarf on an ego trip that’s pushing for it.
BTW, The whole country of Scotland didnt vote to stay in. There was only a 600,000 difference and about a million who didnt vote. Much like the Scottish referendum, you take the vote as a whole and seem to think Jimmy Krankie speaks for us all. I voted to leave the EU and I voted for independence as well. Open your eyes and look at the true figures and dont lump everyone in the same boat
You going to have a vote to get rid of London, Newcastle, Leeds and Liverpool as well?
The difference is London and Leeds and Liverpool etc are all within England and the London and Leeds in vote is largely made up of an unrepresentative immigrant enclave local majority that obviously regards itself as non English.Which needs to be ‘re distributed’ around the country by a massive programme of demolition and/or re settlement.If we don’t do that we’re storing up a world of trouble in the long term.
As for Scotland no that’s your country not ours and if it wants to hand itself over to the EU that’s not our problem it’s yours.
Here here , i’d like to know what percentage of those who voted in those citys had relations in this country in 1975 and voted then ! 
Cornwall votes decisively for Brexit - then seeks ‘assurances’ that it won’t lose the £60million a year it gets in EU subsidies
Read more: dailymail.co.uk/news/article … z4Cbh6yCrO
you just could not make this up.
Carryfast:
The-Snowman:
desypete:
i can not make up my mind about the scotland issue should they have a second referendum as there whole country voted to stay in ?
It’s not up to you and you’ll have zero say on the matter so I wouldnt tax yourself to much thinking about it and weighing up the differences. Its not up to me either unfortunately. Its that poisoned dwarf on an ego trip that’s pushing for it.
BTW, The whole country of Scotland didnt vote to stay in. There was only a 600,000 difference and about a million who didnt vote. Much like the Scottish referendum, you take the vote as a whole and seem to think Jimmy Krankie speaks for us all. I voted to leave the EU and I voted for independence as well. Open your eyes and look at the true figures and dont lump everyone in the same boat
You going to have a vote to get rid of London, Newcastle, Leeds and Liverpool as well?
The difference is London and Leeds and Liverpool etc are all within England and the London and Leeds in vote is largely made up of an unrepresentative immigrant enclave local majority that obviously regards itself as non English.Which needs to be ‘re distributed’ around the country by a massive programme of demolition and/or re settlement.If we don’t do that we’re storing up a world of trouble in the long term.
As for Scotland no that’s your country not ours and if it wants to hand itself over to the EU that’s not our problem it’s yours.
your spot on with that carryfast
we need to redistribute people around the country in fair proportions. i have always said its not a country of multicultural at all
its a country where in areas one race or another has been allowed to grow in such huge numbers that they turn the whole area into a place that is more like there used to back home they dont mix or integrate they stick together and segregate away from the rest of the population.
desypete:
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i dont remember anyone saying if we voted out that we would have a second chance or a second vote EVEN IF IT WAS ONLY 1 VOTE that decided it
every vote counted and nearly 2 million more voted won the result it would of been even bigger if the eu nationals didnt have a vote there are over 1 million polish living and working here so they wouldnt have had a vote and really they shouldnt of been allowed a vote either
Frogface did
mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ni … um-7985017
andy187:
desypete:
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i dont remember anyone saying if we voted out that we would have a second chance or a second vote EVEN IF IT WAS ONLY 1 VOTE that decided it
every vote counted and nearly 2 million more voted won the result it would of been even bigger if the eu nationals didnt have a vote there are over 1 million polish living and working here so they wouldnt have had a vote and really they shouldnt of been allowed a vote either
Frogface did
mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ni … um-7985017
plus, I can remember very clearly about a week ago , or so, one of Brexiters, posted here that every Pole that he knew, and has here for a while, wanted us to leave, so basicaly, going by what some Brexiters claimed on this forum, all Poles that live in this country voted to leave, unless he was telling porkies as Brexiters usually do.
Majority of them even if they had voting rights, didn’t bother to vote, thinking it was an issue for us to resolve.
As far as I can remember EU citizens living in this country were excluded from the vote anyway.
so, according to the Frog Face we should be expecting a second referendum soon as 52-48 split is an “unfinished business”
