ETS:
Welp it happened. They’ve sneakily installed them after months of promising ‘‘new vehicles with telematics’’. There were some rumors about driver facing cams but I didn’t (want to) believe them.
So when are you all quitting or will it just be like it usually is, all bluster?
remy:
SAINT-HYACINTHE, Que. — The Quebec Superior Court has officially sided with truck drivers in a five-year battle concerning driver-facing cameras.On Sept. 11, Sysco Quebec was ordered by the court to remove driver-facing cameras in all of its trucks, claiming that the driver-facing Lytx DriveCams were not the only way Sysco could promote safety in its fleet, and there were other “less intrusive” methods to do so.
This happened in 2017 in Canada when the drivers of Sysco a food distribution company stuck to their guns.
Court seems to be the way to go, solve the issue once and for all. I very much doubt the companies arguments for thse would hold up but it’s probably going to cost tons of ££ to go that route.
Juddian, I’ve read the gv uk pages, the guidance there seems pretty vague. We don’t have a lot of union drivers I think only a handful out of a few dozen but they said they will try to get ‘‘the union’’ in on the issue. Right now the cams aren’t active, they’re supposed to go live next month
Remember a few years back at Manchester Daf, Oldham depot one of the young mechanics had taken a tractor unit out on the estate for a “road test”. Can’t remember 100% if he had a licence or not or whose company the unit was. Anyway, he anchored on which triggered the in cab camera. When the firm viewed the footage he had 2 lasses in the cab with him 
. Sure he kept his job.
If they fitted them where I am I’d just go elsewhere, not that desperate. And like has been said not enough drivers would stick together.
Presumably now the non members have had a warning why unions are important for working people you’ll all be joining the union to show how seriously you take this, you can do so online at least with Unite.
Seeing as the cameras don’t go live yet there’s no reason whatsover not to cover it and tape up the microphone hole.
adam277:
Personally, I would just quit on the spot.
But if drive the same truck everyday I would break it by mistake. Then I’d tell them that I broke the camera by mistake and if they fix it I will quit.
■■■■■■■■!!
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Conor:
ETS:
Welp it happened. They’ve sneakily installed them after months of promising ‘‘new vehicles with telematics’’. There were some rumors about driver facing cams but I didn’t (want to) believe them.So when are you all quitting or will it just be like it usually is, all bluster?
I’m not quitting, when I get back from holiday I will request a detailed description about how/why/who the cameras will be used by/for. Once I’ve read through it I will refuse to accept the new conditions of work and they’ll have to sack me then I’ll claim unfair dismissal as it is a one sided change of contract/terms and Cs imo.
ETS:
Conor:
ETS:
Welp it happened. They’ve sneakily installed them after months of promising ‘‘new vehicles with telematics’’. There were some rumors about driver facing cams but I didn’t (want to) believe them.So when are you all quitting or will it just be like it usually is, all bluster?
I’m not quitting, when I get back from holiday I will request a detailed description about how/why/who the cameras will be used by/for. Once I’ve read through it I will refuse to accept the new conditions of work and they’ll have to sack me then I’ll claim unfair dismissal as it is a one sided change of contract/terms and Cs imo.
Good on ya mate, I hope it all works out for ya.
If it doesn’t at least you’ve put your money where your mouth is.
I looked into jacking a few years ago when the crew that I work for got the incident ones fitted.
As I said no backing as usual (true to form) from my illustrious colleagues.
My Mrs said ‘‘Are you sure Rob, there are plenty jobs about but you will.be applying for jobs that you don’t really want,.you have a job of work you like,.you are doing a 4 on 3 off,.and they leave you to get on with it,.where will you get a similar job’’.
Same type dilemnas (and the calming reasoning common sense from my wife) has came up on a couple more occasions from other complete ■■■■ takes instigated by my lot…let’s just say I always manage to get around them in some way or another…
I think the constant and random surveillance type cameras would be the thing I could not compromise on, (which my lot would be capable of getting fitted 
) …that is just a step too far for me to live with I reckon,…enjoyable job or not.
Good luck with it anyhoo.
So you accepted cameras while at the same time as slating me reluctantly driving with them!
Oh,my goodness,you couldnt make it up 
Sploom:
So you accepted cameras while at the same time as slating me reluctantly driving with them!
Oh,my goodness,you couldnt make it up
This isn’t…
What Jesus would think though.
There’s only two full time drivers at my place, and another lad that drives as and when required-none of us would be leaving the yard if driver facing cameras are installed.
Luckily it’s not that sort of a company anyway, and our boss knows our views on them.
ETS:
I’m not quitting, when I get back from holiday I will request a detailed description about how/why/who the cameras will be used by/for. Once I’ve read through it I will refuse to accept the new conditions of work and they’ll have to sack me then I’ll claim unfair dismissal as it is a one sided change of contract/terms and Cs imo.
First of all a Disclaimer (before I get my head bitten off) … I am in agreement with most people on here in regards of driver facing camera’s and my own personal feelings towards them. If my place brought them in then I would be looking for another job as it’s a step too far.
But surely a company has a right to install them if they so wish and you have a choice whether to accept them and carry on employment or go elsewhere. I am no legal expert and this is only my opinion but are you not just making yourself unemployed rather than “unfair dismissal” as they have not “dismissed” you, you simply disagree with something they want to bring in and that is not illegal as far as I’m aware (again not a legal expert, just opinion). By all means I am with you in the fight and really hope you win, but I am bit unsure of all this court talk within this thread and under what grounds it would end up in a court of law.
robroy:
Juddian:
First thing is to get your union on the case, sounds like an impact assessment hasn’t been taken and without proper consultation the company are way out of line with the potential for succesful claims of constructive dismissal looming.A search will find the details i posted some years ago with reference to the .gov relevant pages you need to read, suggest you use the term ‘impact assessment’’ if you want to search for that thread.
If you stick together and refuse to drive with them working they can be defeated, we defeated them as did other operators in our sector (all unionised companies)…it helps if your work is even a little bit specialised so they can’t just grab agency bods off the street to keep the job going, one of our competitors found them fitted on a Monday morn, not a vehicle left the depot, by lunch time they were removed and never refitted.
First sentence, non starter so go no further…What’s the betting there ain’t any Union,.because Unions are all things bad apparentlly from what you read on here…ignoring the FACT that union used companies are on far better (and fairer) t.s & c.s than what I’m on at least.
Your first sentence in second paragraph…that is a non starter…
‘‘If you stick together’’ …nah.
And refuse? . Aye right …2 or maybe 3 of us kicked off big style, when they fitted the ‘‘incident only’’ cameras, the rest just bent over true to form,.and left the 2 or 3 of us sat there in the yard.
A similar co to ours,at Darlo … the drivers refused to take the motors out Mon am when the drivers discovered them, they were told take them out today, and we will replace them with forward facing only cameras, when you get back.These firms just stick their trotters in the water to see what happens, but drivers are too thick,.servile or both to see that, so it goes on like every other ■■■■ take in this [zb] job today.
(No reference to o/p btw,.as I do not know him or his firm,.I am speaking generally and from experience.)
Correct !
The remedy is simple get together (union or not) and simple tell them to remove them or they will not move (the vehicles)
Of course you should “all” be union members and make it “your” business to attend “any & all” meetings to let your views and opinions known.
Still drivers are drivers and will never stick together unless forced to by a closed shop regime (much to much dismay)
Sploom:
So you accepted cameras while at the same time as slating me reluctantly driving with them!
Oh,my goodness,you couldnt make it up
If you are referring to me…
Don’t be a prick all your life mate,.keep up, I have said for years on this forum,.and made no secret of the fact… our lot have incident cameras in,.
It is all well documented (have a trawl through my posts to feed your pre.occupation with me on here to verify )
Again.(as I said.) …Only a couple of us kicked off about them, but the rest of the drivers were like you…spineless.
So no need to ‘make it up’ bud.
As I said it is how you deal with sh like this that determines you…and I ain’t going any further than that with it.
Buy Class 3B laser off amazon, shine it into the camera lense for a few minutes, and should damage the sensor enough to ■■■■ it.
Don’t get caught lol… 
The thing is,its all very well sticking together on this issue but it needs organisation.It also depends on the size of the company and the prevailing economic conditions.If you all started work on the same day and time,yes,you could all down tools but thats not reality.In the real world,you have one driver who will be the first to have the camera fitted.If he walks off the job,he doesnt know if everyone else is going to follow suit.And likewise,if youre the last person to have a camera unit and eberyone else has accepted them,then you are also in a weak position.When I was at asda,they tried to bring them in there but the union made a massive issue about it.The company backed down but that doesnt happen everywhere.A couple of years later,we had new units delivered with the cameras already fitted with no warning.They just ordered them without telling anyone.Again,the union stepped in and eventually the cameras were turned off
A few years ago a Director at our place mentioned the possibility of installing cameras into vehicles to “bring the insurance down”. It was then thrown back at him that if the cameras were installed then the Union would be notified and no vehicles would leave the yard untill the issue was resolved.
That was 4 years ago and we do NOT have cameras in the vehicles.
Just saying!
#unionpower
Sploom:
The thing is,its all very well sticking together on this issue but it needs organisation.It also depends on the size of the company and the prevailing economic conditions.If you all started work on the same day and time,yes,you could all down tools but thats not reality.In the real world,you have one driver who will be the first to have the camera fitted.If he walks off the job,he doesnt know if everyone else is going to follow suit.And likewise,if youre the last person to have a camera unit and eberyone else has accepted them,then you are also in a weak position.When I was at asda,they tried to bring them in there but the union made a massive issue about it.The company backed down but that doesnt happen everywhere.A couple of years later,we had new units delivered with the cameras already fitted with no warning.They just ordered them without telling anyone.Again,the union stepped in and eventually the cameras were turned off
Exactly the penny has finally dropped. …
That is what the likes of me Juddian,.Maoster,.and everybody else on here have been saying, those who have not been taken in by the deliberate anti union propaganda designed to (succesfiully) divide and conquer the British work force , in order to enable ‘them’ to do whatever tf the like to us without any form of resistance. 
I get all the stuff about the 70s, Red Robbo.(google him) SOME union officials from shop stewards to those in the higher echelons, only in it for themselves and creaming off a ■■■■ good life, fotgetting their reason to be, the more ridiculous type of strikes and all the rest of the stuff, most of it true.
But…From OUR pov as drivers,.there is far more on the plus side than on the minus, when it comes to having a work life with good and fair terms and conditions,.achieved by a good union, instead of one or two in a firm ■■■■■■■ in the wind.
The alternative is what the majority of us are experiencing now working for crappy firms…
Usual stuff like ■■■■ ridiculously long hours not there as a choice, but being forced on you, stuff like drivers funding damage, and having to pay for this that and the ■■■■ other, unfair policies, the pay structures favouring the employers not the drivers, like same rate right through, and of course driver facing cameras.
Just ask some drivers in Union firms to divulge their t.s and c.s and compare them with the likes of some of yours and mine…and maybe their view and experience on the fitting of cameras.
Of course at least one guy is going to come on saying ‘I work at a Union firm and it is crap they are useless as a union’ and pointing out some of the anti stuff I have said, but I am speaking ‘on the whole.’.and generally
But hey!..Just keep believing the half truths, the anti union brain wash, without forming your own opinions, and keep soaking up the designated official propaganda perpetrated since the 1980s …while they laugh their bits off at us all being treated like crap in varying degrees,.depending how good (or bad ) your respective firms are .
Compare our cluster ■■■■ of a industry and the t.s and c.s with that of the Railway workers, whilst observing the media and government smear campaign and bad mouthing of their mostly successful head of union.
Ring any bells or drop any more pennies??
Sploom:
The thing is,its all very well sticking together on this issue but it needs organisation.It also depends on the size of the company and the prevailing economic conditions.If you all started work on the same day and time,yes,you could all down tools but thats not reality.In the real world,you have one driver who will be the first to have the camera fitted.If he walks off the job,he doesnt know if everyone else is going to follow suit.And likewise,if youre the last person to have a camera unit and eberyone else has accepted them,then you are also in a weak position.When I was at asda,they tried to bring them in there but the union made a massive issue about it.The company backed down but that doesnt happen everywhere.A couple of years later,we had new units delivered with the cameras already fitted with no warning.They just ordered them without telling anyone.Again,the union stepped in and eventually the cameras were turned off
What depot was that, I remember some rumblings about driver facing about 5 years ago, had a load of scania diesels delivered, no driver cameras fitted and now the new gas volvos with no driver cams fitted.
I think it was Wakefield
tmcassett:
(Disclaimer snipped …)But surely a company has a right to install them if they so wish and you have a choice whether to accept them and carry on employment or go elsewhere. .
No, that’s not how employment law works. You have a contract and you have deemed terms of how your employment operates. If the employer wants to change anything substantial, it will fall into either fair or unfair. So if your employer imposes unfair changes and you leave, you could have a case of constructive dismissal which has the same penalties on the employer as unfair dismissal.
