Idiots in haulage

eagerbeaver:
On numerous posts, I would say the majority of us on here accept that the haulage game is infested with imbeciles, whether they inhabit the office, gatehouse or the wagons.

Has this industry always been one giant helmet warehouse, or is it getting worse? I know that the job is being ’ dumbed down ’ and I am also sadly well briefed on the H&S ■■■■■■■■, but putting those issues aside, why on earth is this job packed tighter than an Asian taxi rank with bellends?

Answers please…

problem lies around the stigma surrounding Lgv driving , Lots of drivers think they are some sort of professional, In reality they are well down the pecking order when it comes to British industry, Mayby years ago when our forefathers drove, it was considered a ■■■■ site better job than shoveling coal out of the bowels of a ship, or manhandling cotton bales onto truck But in todays world. driving has found its level, Anyone who thinks this job is anything above a poor labouring job is either deluded or fik…

keepthefaith:

eagerbeaver:
On numerous posts, I would say the majority of us on here accept that the haulage game is infested with imbeciles, whether they inhabit the office, gatehouse or the wagons.

Has this industry always been one giant helmet warehouse, or is it getting worse? I know that the job is being ’ dumbed down ’ and I am also sadly well briefed on the H&S ■■■■■■■■, but putting those issues aside, why on earth is this job packed tighter than an Asian taxi rank with bellends?

Answers please…

problem lies around the stigma surrounding Lgv driving , Lots of drivers think they are some sort of professional, In reality they are well down the pecking order when it comes to British industry, Mayby years ago when our forefathers drove, it was considered a ■■■■ site better job than shoveling coal out of the bowels of a ship, or manhandling cotton bales onto truck But in todays world. driving has found its level, Anyone who thinks this job is anything above a poor labouring job is either deluded or fik…

Maybe you’re right, maybe you’re wrong, but there are too many in this job that do absolutely nothing to refute that perceived stigma, …but do a lot to prolong that belief. :unamused:

Having had a few spells away from the wheel, including this latest stint of almost 2 yrs and counting…I can assure you that idiots exist in EVERY industry.

IMHO the difference is that as drivers, we are a generally a solitary bunch who mostly enjoy our own company so our tolerance levels are far lower than most people for everyday idiocy. Hence we walk around with the perception that we are surrounded by idiots (not necessarily incorrect either) and therefore tend to treat people as idiots until proven otherwise.

This is probably the reason that I don’t play office politics very well as I have a tendency to be far too honest and forthright for most other managers sensibilities i.e. if I think they’re talking ■■■■■■ I tell them exactly that.

Hence why I probably still feel the call of the road despite having worked quite hard to get off of it. I firmly believe that driving gets in your blood and its very seductive, especially after tolerating utter morons working in “logistics” who wouldn’t have a clue which end of a ratchet strap to hang themselves with.
The idea of being on your own for the majority of the working day does have a certain appeal.

^^^^ Decent post mate.

I have said before that I prefer dog’s to people, and I am finding it increasingly difficult to tolerate moron’s.

Some have even infiltrated TNUK :open_mouth:

I’m so glad I don’t work for a large “logistics” company anymore.

I used to think it was just this industury that attracts idiots and morons but I see just as many of these retards wherever I go and when I speak to friends who work in other industries it seems just the same.

Juddian:
People no longer required to, indeed subliminally discouraged from, thinking for themselves, a Borg like organism easily controlled with some bad guys untouchable and encouraged so the masses adhere to the state through fear, without getting political that should be obvious, encouraged to report (stasi/khmer rouge like) and mass condemn those who do not conform, the latest being motorists required to submit footage to the comrade general in charge of what was once known as the police all bad driving.
Though this move to east german style policing/manipulation/injustice has far darker implications for every one of us, Tommy Robinson a prime example this decade, maybe you next?

From children being indoctrinated at nursery and school, to universities and their safe zones where thoughts not in keeping with the current hymnsheet are no platformed (that well known extreme right winger warlord :unamused: Germaine Greer no platformed i ask you), then on to the workplace now a gigantic production line where us mere drones are not required to think, just do what the many layers of management instruct us.
Reports of children being questioned over how their parents voted in the referendum, where exactly are we going.

We have schools pushing this transgender ■■■■■■■■, with youngsters barely out of nappies questioning their own gender or being accused of racism, wtf is going on who comes up with this garbage and who put idiots in charge who could come out with agendas like that where kids should be learning their times tables and how to read and write fluently and the basics of decency good manners and personal responsibility.
We/they have allowed the lunatics to run the asylums.

This hasn’t happened overnight its been going on years, the MSM shifting gradually into the role of mass state propaganda machine perfectly exemplified by the BBC chanel no4 and grauniad at one end and the daily mail and turncoat sun at the other.

What does anyone expect is going to be the end result in the attitudes capabilities independence and personal responsibility.

As for our lorry world in particular, well its going on everywhere in the industry, the dumbing down that is, they want the job simple and repetitive so they can get any minimal cost bugger to do it at a moments notice with minimal training 24/7.
Maybe its cost effective, maybe the cost of resulting damage is outweighed by the savings in what should be good driver’s appropriate salaries, i wouldn’t have thought so it’s not just damage its disappointed customers with poor service damaged goods and damaged premises and all these companies need more admin/supervisory/management to run the show because they’ve systematically lowered the bar and employed a good number who arn’t up to the job, but what the hell do i know.

Its disillusioning enough now for long termers who didn’t need any of this, but at least we can see the retirement light at the end of the tunnel, its must be doubly frustrating for the newer younger drivers who do have some nous, cos if you think its dumbed down now its anyone’s guess how bad things might be in another 10 or 20 years.

Whilst everything is based on cheap as possible for the customer i see little will change, when our transport industry is opened up fully to all other european carriers that will be another slide into base mediocrity.

There thats cheered you all up no end :sunglasses:

I think it was always a brainwashing and propaganda machine we were just all ignorant of it before the internet came along. Now all News gets endless scrutiny and you can go back and see what was said yesterday when before it was already chip paper.

DonutUK:
Having had a few spells away from the wheel, including this latest stint of almost 2 yrs and counting…I can assure you that idiots exist in EVERY industry.

IMHO the difference is that as drivers, we are a generally a solitary bunch who mostly enjoy our own company so our tolerance levels are far lower than most people for everyday idiocy. Hence we walk around with the perception that we are surrounded by idiots (not necessarily incorrect either) and therefore tend to treat people as idiots until proven otherwise.

This is probably the reason that I don’t play office politics very well as I have a tendency to be far too honest and forthright for most other managers sensibilities i.e. if I think they’re talking [zb], I tell them exactly that.

Hence why I probably still feel the call of the road despite having worked quite hard to get off of it. I firmly believe that driving gets in your blood and its very seductive, especially after tolerating utter morons working in “logistics” who wouldn’t have a clue which end of a ratchet strap to hang themselves with.
The idea of being on your own for the majority of the working day does have a certain appeal.

Good point. I think being alone makes you less tolerant. Mind you, being around people and seeing their particular little maggot in the brains makes me less tolerant, usually in supermarkets or anywhere with a que. I like people watching. You see people turn into five year olds just to rush in and get a car space, or race to the check out blindsiding everyone and then pretend to be respectable again when they are there. Even more cringe worthy when they do a subtle check to make sure no one noticed their ten seconds of selfishness :laughing:

Freight Dog:
Good point. I think being alone makes you less tolerant. Mind you, being around people and seeing their particular little maggot in the brains makes me less tolerant, usually in supermarkets or anywhere with a que. I like people watching. You see people turn into five year olds just to rush in and get a car space, or race to the check out blindsiding everyone and then pretend to be respectable again when they are there. Even more cringe worthy when they do a subtle check to make sure no one noticed their ten seconds of selfishness :laughing:

The big problem is when they climb into a ton of metal, fire it off at 40/50/60/70+ mph and behave in exactly the same way.

Henrys cat:

albion:
It isn’t, or no more so than any other sector.

Education is definitley not what it was and people are ‘looked after’ more. Now that’s a good thing in many ways, but it also means that people seem to think less for themselves and then just get out of the habit. I also think automation has had a part to play in that.

This is exactly it, we have it in the railway sector too. They want exact postcodes to where they are going or they just don’t turn up, but how difficult is it to find a train station■■? They want telling exactly what tools they will need each night even though they’ve been doing the same job for the last 3 months !!! Then, when as supervisor dealing with this day in day out, you finally lose the plot and rant at them, they complain to management and you get called in to explain :angry: :angry: :angry:

That’s a new one on me. I’ve never heard of a full-timer ever being bollocked for upsetting the temp? :unamused:

If you wanna confuse people with postcodes, give them “The Railway Tavern” that’s nowhere near an actual extant railway line.

“What tools should I bring with me guv?”
“Just yourself. You’re one big tool anyway, - and that should be all that’s ever needed in this chickens hit outfit.!”

Winseer:

Henrys cat:

albion:
It isn’t, or no more so than any other sector.

Education is definitley not what it was and people are ‘looked after’ more. Now that’s a good thing in many ways, but it also means that people seem to think less for themselves and then just get out of the habit. I also think automation has had a part to play in that.

This is exactly it, we have it in the railway sector too. They want exact postcodes to where they are going or they just don’t turn up, but how difficult is it to find a train station■■? They want telling exactly what tools they will need each night even though they’ve been doing the same job for the last 3 months !!! Then, when as supervisor dealing with this day in day out, you finally lose the plot and rant at them, they complain to management and you get called in to explain :angry: :angry: :angry:

That’s a new one on me. I’ve never heard of a full-timer ever being bollocked for upsetting the temp? :unamused:

If you wanna confuse people with postcodes, give them “The Railway Tavern” that’s nowhere near an actual extant railway line.

“What tools should I bring with me guv?”
“Just yourself. You’re one big tool anyway, - and that should be all that’s ever needed in this chickens hit outfit.!”

You’d better come to our place then, I’ve had 3 of these for bollocking trainee linesmen, plus as they are Bulgarian they play the race card too !!! Best was when they tried that with one of the other senior lads and he threw it back at them as he said he was a foriegner as he’s from Scotland and working in England lol they soon shut up then.

They get trained the same by all the senior lads as we were all trained that way, but that’s no longer PC so we have to be careful. The worlds gone bloody mad

at least when driving you can get away from the idiots up the road to a certain extent.

i’ve worked in a factory for nearly 3 years now and the idiots I’m around day in day out never cease to amaze me with the stunts they pull, it seriously makes me wonder how they get employed at all on a weekly basis! :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

Juddian:
People no longer required to, indeed subliminally discouraged from, thinking for themselves, a Borg like organism easily controlled with some bad guys untouchable and encouraged so the masses adhere to the state through fear, without getting political that should be obvious, encouraged to report (stasi/khmer rouge like) and mass condemn those who do not conform, the latest being motorists required to submit footage to the comrade general in charge of what was once known as the police all bad driving.
Though this move to east german style policing/manipulation/injustice has far darker implications for every one of us, Tommy Robinson a prime example this decade, maybe you next?

From children being indoctrinated at nursery and school, to universities and their safe zones where thoughts not in keeping with the current hymnsheet are no platformed (that well known extreme right winger warlord :unamused: Germaine Greer no platformed i ask you), then on to the workplace now a gigantic production line where us mere drones are not required to think, just do what the many layers of management instruct us.
Reports of children being questioned over how their parents voted in the referendum, where exactly are we going.

We have schools pushing this transgender ■■■■■■■■, with youngsters barely out of nappies questioning their own gender or being accused of racism, wtf is going on who comes up with this garbage and who put idiots in charge who could come out with agendas like that where kids should be learning their times tables and how to read and write fluently and the basics of decency good manners and personal responsibility.
We/they have allowed the lunatics to run the asylums.

This hasn’t happened overnight its been going on years, the MSM shifting gradually into the role of mass state propaganda machine perfectly exemplified by the BBC chanel no4 and grauniad at one end and the daily mail and turncoat sun at the other.

What does anyone expect is going to be the end result in the attitudes capabilities independence and personal responsibility.

As for our lorry world in particular, well its going on everywhere in the industry, the dumbing down that is, they want the job simple and repetitive so they can get any minimal cost bugger to do it at a moments notice with minimal training 24/7.
Maybe its cost effective, maybe the cost of resulting damage is outweighed by the savings in what should be good driver’s appropriate salaries, i wouldn’t have thought so it’s not just damage its disappointed customers with poor service damaged goods and damaged premises and all these companies need more admin/supervisory/management to run the show because they’ve systematically lowered the bar and employed a good number who arn’t up to the job, but what the hell do i know.

Its disillusioning enough now for long termers who didn’t need any of this, but at least we can see the retirement light at the end of the tunnel, its must be doubly frustrating for the newer younger drivers who do have some nous, cos if you think its dumbed down now its anyone’s guess how bad things might be in another 10 or 20 years.

Whilst everything is based on cheap as possible for the customer i see little will change, when our transport industry is opened up fully to all other european carriers that will be another slide into base mediocrity.

There thats cheered you all up no end :sunglasses:

That is the majority of it, however, have you now noticed how the tech is telling people what to do? It is becoming ingrained into those who use phones, computers etc. that you dance to the tune that it plays.
My new smartphone is telling me that I must do an emergency upgrade, well it can get stuffed, I want out of the tech now, but I can see what is coming and it ain`t good :imp:

However, I feel it is all too late and will be bailing soon, I can no longer, in a psychological way, put up with the environment and now the people…I am a dinosaur apparently. :smiley:

Reading this thread has reminded me why i must get out
I will next year , there is a vacancy in the ■■■ industry for me and i am going to take it , literally

There’s been some bloody good posts in this thread, one thing you can say about the main bulk of lorry drivers they aint fools by a long chalk, ■■■■■■■ on them whilst telling them its raining isn’t working any more.
Getting the rest of the population to think for themselves is i fear a hopeless task and there simply aint enough of us to change things no matter how we vote, as some of the lads above seem to feel, the place (Britain) is just about bollocksed.

ATT, you’se a braver man than me, i only want a phone for making or receiving phone calls, it has to be simple tough and actually of use as a telephone, so thats smart phones out the window, i’ll stick with me Samsung XCover B550, meant for builders etc.

the problems are only going to get worse as the years go on.

I’ve been on double decker duty today and to me a 16’0 trailer with various size compartments represents a good opportunity to load various size pallets and maximise space.

" Can’t fit this last pallet on the top deck mate " found it’s way into my shell like.

Beaver; " Why not? "

Helmet; " It doesn’t fit "

Beaver; " Put a Euro on then instead "

Hemet; " Erm…oh yeah "

I am seriously considering harming folk :unamused:

eagerbeaver:
I am finding it increasingly difficult to tolerate moron’s.

Some have even infiltrated TNUK :open_mouth:

I wonder if your list is the same as mine…don’t you ■■■■ dare say that I am on yours either. :laughing:

robroy:

eagerbeaver:
I am finding it increasingly difficult to tolerate moron’s.

Some have even infiltrated TNUK :open_mouth:

I wonder if your list is the same as mine…don’t you [zb] dare say that I am on yours either. :laughing:

I suspect they are remarkably similar mate :wink:

I thought by bellend you meant people who were just toss pots or had crap characters traits :smiley:

I easily get on with people who make mistakes and we work it out together. It’s actually a strength when someone admits a mistake and asks for input in my field - everyone is human. I can easily get on with people who aren’t necessarily er, “up to speed” or don’t seem that switched on over something or have mind block. That doesn’t push my intolerance buttons, especially if they’re open about it.

I can’t tolerate sarky, supercilious, caustic unpleasant types. You can’t work with those. Those to me are the bellends