discoman:
However, we are now trialing B triples, consisting of two A trailers and a B trailer as below …
As you can see, they are both on triple axle fixed, reefers slide, but regardless … they are still 20ft x 2 and a 45 48ft to rear eventually, they will be 3 45 or 48 trailers on quad axles all with steering wheels ….
I don’t get your reference to A trailers.
What you’re showing is two obviously compromised B configuration trailers and a trailer dropped on the second B lead and 12 axles total.
Compare that with an A triple.
Three full sized Tri axle trailers coupled with two tandem dollies.Thats 16 axles your heap is short of load deck length on two of its three trailers and short of 4 axles.Let one if the A triple is coupled using Tri axle dollies.
Ok, to use up your delusions, compare your A triple to the Super B triple it will be 14 axles on a 3 trailer combination….
Seriously, you have never driven a truck clueless to what an A trailer is … when given evidential proof you start making up false facts to compromise of a B trailer … er no A trailer and B trailer two different things ….
Look, it’s an A trailer, look at 5th wheel it’s perm it hooks up like a normal trailer not to a dolly … do you grasp the concept, or , will you go off track once more
discoman:
Seriously, are you that thick an A trailer is just a 20ft on a sliding 40
An A triple as you call it is not what a Road train is … Dollie’s do not bare weight like a super b double …
Look at the picture, see the fifth wheel behind fixed 20ft curtain sided that is an A trailer for the double … which also bares more weight loading capacity that a dolly … hence they are now using super B trailers with 4 axles and A triple would be 3 20ft trailer not 2 20ft and a 45 ft… carryfast you look like a upper you are wrong … nothing is compromised in that photo it is 2 A trailer and. A B trail hence a triple double.
So your entire knowledge is based on the conception that there is no such thing as an A train.
An A triple isn’t a road train and dollies don’t bear any load and you call me thick.
What you’re stupidly describing as an A trailer is actually the compromised B train lead trailer which I’ve described.
Even 4 axles of a B train connection won’t cut it v the 5 axles of the A train connection.
Two 45ft load decks with 6 and 5 axles supporting them respectively, using two points of articulation to turn at the connection, are clearly better than a 20 foot + a 45ft load deck supported by 10 axles total at best and only one point of articulation thereby limiting the amount of axles available at the connection.
In addition to the resulting flaw in the combination weight v train weight configuration that weight distribution of all the trailers affects the axle weights of their respective lead trailer/s.
But it’s obviously impossible to explain that to anyone who can’t grasp the difference between an A train v a B train and who thinks that a dolly bears no load.
When it’s the fact that the dolly bears the load of the connected trailer not the lead trailer, which makes all the difference and is the difference.
An 8 wheeler rigid pulling a triaxle trailer on a 3 axle dolly would do a better job than a B double for far less investment in kit.
discoman:
However, we are now trialing B triples, consisting of two A trailers and a B trailer as below …
As you can see, they are both on triple axle fixed, reefers slide, but regardless … they are still 20ft x 2 and a 45 48ft to rear eventually, they will be 3 45 or 48 trailers on quad axles all with steering wheels ….
I don’t get your reference to A trailers.
What you’re showing is two obviously compromised B configuration trailers and a trailer dropped on the second B lead and 12 axles total.
Compare that with an A triple.
Three full sized Tri axle trailers coupled with two tandem dollies.Thats 16 axles your heap is short of load deck length on two of its three trailers and short of 4 axles.Let one if the A triple is coupled using Tri axle dollies.
Ok, to use up your delusions, compare your A triple to the Super B triple it will be 14 axles on a 3 trailer combination…
Look, it’s an A trailer, look at 5th wheel it’s perm it hooks up like a normal trailer not to a dolly … do you grasp the concept, or , will you go off track once more
Anyone who thinks that a dolly doesn’t bear a load and any part of a B train uses the letter A is as deluded as it gets.
An A triple means three standard trailers connected by two dollies which obviously means at least 16 axles assuming three triaxle trailers and two tandem axle dollies and a 3 axle unit.Read this you might just learn what I knew before I was 16.
Whatever you’re doing in OZ it obviously isn’t driving road trains of either type.
That’s an A triple road train.
Feel free to explain how a B triple will match the payload capacity of that either load deck length or axle weight capacity.
Also the fact that whatever load you put on trailers 2 and 3 and where won’t affect the axle weights of trailers 1 and 2 respectively.
While 2.52-3.35 proves the total myth of supposed unstable, two points of artic, A train dollies.
Yet again I’m left thinking how much time and energy you’ve wasted on thinking about pointless things. Imagine if you had directed your brain in a more productive direction
Keep digging Carryfast, you’re almost here. You’ll be the first reffo to arrive by tunnel.
Introducing north American terminology and practice does not shore up your argument, it simply adds weight to your total cluelessness.
It has been noted that you have absolutely ignored the request to define GTW and GCM, verifying your utter ignorance of all things transport related.
Star down under.:
Keep digging Carryfast, you’re almost here. You’ll be the first reffo to arrive by tunnel.
Introducing north American terminology and practice does not shore up your argument, it simply adds weight to your total cluelessness.
It has been noted that you have absolutely ignored the request to define GTW and GCM, verifying your utter ignorance of all things transport related.
Australia uses the same term B train to define the B configuration.Which by definition means that the same terminology applies to differentiate the A configuration.
DM was clearly describing a B configuration lead trailer incorrectly as an A trailer.
GTW means no weight transfer between trailers or prime mover and trailer.
Having said that a tractor unit pulling a lead semi trailer of an A train technically still then makes it a gross combination weight.
Not a train weight as in the case of a rigid prime mover pulling an A frame drawbar trailer.
switchlogic:
Yet again I’m left thinking how much time and energy you’ve wasted on thinking about pointless things. Imagine if you had directed your brain in a more productive direction
Why wouldn’t any truck driver find the subject of driving and the merits of the different engineering of, LHVs extremely interesting.
Carryfast:
That’s an A triple road train.
Feel free to explain how a B triple will match the payload capacity of that either load deck length or axle weight capacity.
Also the fact that whatever load you put on trailers 2 and 3 and where won’t affect the axle weights of trailers 1 and 2 respectively.
While 2.52-3.35 proves the total myth of supposed unstable, two points of artic, A train dollies.
Oh wait our Ozzie expert doesn’t think that the dollies are bearing the load of trailers 2 and 3.
Oh dear, even in the descriptions you are trying to use to debunk us, it clearly states, full length road train …
Please read it … as what you have shown is a road train on Dollie’s,
Please, let me try to explain, one last time … companies are moving away from Dollie’s and using super B trailers ie quad axles because they carry more load than a dolly …
You understand companies are no longer using Dollie’s as it is safer and more gross weight capacity to use super B double trailer to pull goods ….
You really are clueless.
I think star down under might need to move before you appear in his back yard…
Star down under.:
Keep digging Carryfast, you’re almost here. You’ll be the first reffo to arrive by tunnel.
Introducing north American terminology and practice does not shore up your argument, it simply adds weight to your total cluelessness.
It has been noted that you have absolutely ignored the request to define GTW and GCM, verifying your utter ignorance of all things transport related.
Mate, he wants to be offered a place to stay….give him the cords to your back yard
He will be able to tell everyone how they are wrong and get your house given to you for free.
Seriously, I think a brick wall made out of custard has more intelligent then him.
Look, fun as it is to bait currywürst, you need to understand, that back here in the Northern Hemisphere, we call a trailer with a front steering towing implement an "a frame trailer ", on account of the towing frame looking like an A…as opposed to a semi trailer, which has a king pin, and connects to a fifth wheel.
I think that currywürst confuses an “a frame trailer”, with an a double, or triple, or wat not…
Problem for currywürst is, that in the mist of time, he got one thing right (an a frame trailer follows better, and imposes no weight on the towing vehicle), but then extrapolated that to it being the only viable option… ever…
Carryfast:
That’s an A triple road train.
Feel free to explain how a B triple will match the payload capacity of that either load deck length or axle weight capacity.
Also the fact that whatever load you put on trailers 2 and 3 and where won’t affect the axle weights of trailers 1 and 2 respectively.
While 2.52-3.35 proves the total myth of supposed unstable, two points of artic, A train dollies.
Oh wait our Ozzie expert doesn’t think that the dollies are bearing the load of trailers 2 and 3.
Oh dear, even in the descriptions you are trying to use to debunk us, it clearly states, full length road train …
Please read it … as what you have shown is a road train on Dollie’s,
Please, let me try to explain, one last time … companies are moving away from Dollie’s and using super B trailers ie quad axles because they carry more load than a dolly …
You understand companies are no longer using Dollie’s as it is safer and more gross weight capacity to use super B double trailer to pull goods ….
You really are clueless.
I think star down under might need to move before you appear in his back yard…
With a bit of luck he’ll pop out in the middle of the dam, otherwise he’d be right at home in an 80 acre paddock of BS.
Carryfast:
That’s an A triple road train.
Feel free to explain how a B triple will match the payload capacity of that either load deck length or axle weight capacity.
Also the fact that whatever load you put on trailers 2 and 3 and where won’t affect the axle weights of trailers 1 and 2 respectively.
While 2.52-3.35 proves the total myth of supposed unstable, two points of artic, A train dollies.
Oh wait our Ozzie expert doesn’t think that the dollies are bearing the load of trailers 2 and 3.
Oh dear, even in the descriptions you are trying to use to debunk us, it clearly states, full length road train …
Please read it … as what you have shown is a road train on Dollie’s,
Please, let me try to explain, one last time … companies are moving away from Dollie’s and using super B trailers ie quad axles because they carry more load than a dolly …
You understand companies are no longer using Dollie’s as it is safer and more gross weight capacity to use super B double trailer to pull goods ….
You really are clueless.
I think star down under might need to move before you appear in his back yard…
With a bit of luck he’ll pop out in the middle of the dam, otherwise he’d be right at home in an 80 acre paddock of BS.
I will supply him with all red items for said paddock or lets hope a few bull sharks are in the dam lol
Star down under.:
Twenty five years and four pages, yet he’s still no closer to getting a proper job. I suppose he couldn’t market himself as experienced.
Why would he need a proper job? He is currently living the dream being run ragged driving ex fleet bangers round the country for £9 an hour trade plating for an agency.
Oh and it’s actually 23 years since anyone would employ him as a lorry driver (1999, he corrected me once when I said the mid 90’s)
Star down under.:
Twenty five years and four pages, yet he’s still no closer to getting a proper job. I suppose he couldn’t market himself as experienced.
Why would he need a proper job? He is currently living the dream being run ragged driving ex fleet bangers round the country for £9 an hour trade plating for an agency.
Oh and it’s actually 23 years since anyone would employ him as a lorry driver (1999, he corrected me once when I said the mid 90’s)
I stand corrected, but in my defense, I’d like to point out that I was considerably more accurate than the drivel he’s trying to argue with discoman and me.
Star down under.:
Twenty five years and four pages, yet he’s still no closer to getting a proper job. I suppose he couldn’t market himself as experienced.
Why would he need a proper job? He is currently living the dream being run ragged driving ex fleet bangers round the country for £9 an hour trade plating for an agency.
Oh and it’s actually 23 years since anyone would employ him as a lorry driver (1999, he corrected me once when I said the mid 90’s)
I stand corrected, but in my defense, I’d like to point out that I was considerably more accurate than the drivel he’s trying to argue with discoman and me.
Where is carryfast? Thumbing a ride back from his online car delivery? …. I thinks it’s ironic …, he has used B trailers to demonstrate A Trailers lol.
Much as I hate to interrupt such an enjoyable thread, are we sure this isn’t just confusion caused by North American vs. Australian terminology? I mean, a “truck” in North America can just mean what we would call a pick-up, for example. And then there’s chips…
Lucy:
Much as I hate to interrupt such an enjoyable thread, are we sure this isn’t just confusion caused by North American vs. Australian terminology? I mean, a “truck” in North America can just mean what we would call a pick-up, for example. And then there’s chips…
And don’t even get me started on the whole Jam/Jelly issue!
