Haha, you British have no balls to bring the country to a halt in ‘one fell swoop’ #fact…! 
There are a glut of drivers who want full time jobs.
There are not anywhere near as many who want to work on agency.
Supply and demand dictates the rates on offer, now that firms are allowed in enshrined law to take the ■■■■… 
Take a payoff, leave, and then come back on more money. If you chicken out and stay, by the time YOU are ready to leave, the redundancy package formerly on the table won’t be there any more… 
Haha, you British have no balls to bring the country to a halt in ‘one fell swoop’ #fact…! 
Ain’t that the truth w we love the job so much we will do it for nowt fools
Big Man:
stand united and we would get a pay rise but drivers look after themselves only look at the dock workers,teachers,firemen stand together better working conditions e.g. the french strike togetherNot saying its right but gets the message through same when fuel went on strike brought country to stand still image if we striked for one day !!! no bread, Bnewspapers & milk no bin collections no parcel deliveries no concrete country many to list be at a halt . wouldnt u take a week no pay for 25% pay rise plus a pension, medical provision , life insurance… 28 wagons could bring the country to a standstill bloke arteritis motorways parked 4 across job done !!
yeah they say there surplus drivers they will say to keep labour cheap scare tactics, am sorry its easy to get a job if you can’t cause maybe you look scruffy and got no pride in your driving why should they hire you represent their company and polite not swearing every other word…
you say a union a waste of time if every driver joined one be fair to every company in uk and fair playing field for them some bosses won’t to pay more but rates don’t allow him because joe around corner will undercut him so we suffer
Because drivers will tramp for wait for it £325 sun to friday plus £15 a night oh and all london work( I get a bonus on top of that fuel damage etc a smile none, I said your good comedian bye) this based by chester 8 miles from where a live i’ll drive an hour to get double that thank you .mmm rant over
You probably make a good point there, trouble is I can barely make out what you’re saying, is it a code or just terrible English badly written and punctuated using machine gun theory. Try again as I honestly do think you make a valid point…Somewhere
Big Man:
stand united and we would get a pay rise but drivers look after themselves only look at the dock workers,teachers,firemen stand together better working conditions e.g. the french strike togetherNot saying its right but gets the message through same when fuel went on strike brought country to stand still image if we striked for one day !!! no bread, Bnewspapers & milk no bin collections no parcel deliveries no concrete country many to list be at a halt . wouldnt u take a week no pay for 25% pay rise plus a pension, medical provision , life insurance… 28 wagons could bring the country to a standstill bloke arteritis motorways parked 4 across job done !!
yeah they say there surplus drivers they will say to keep labour cheap scare tactics, am sorry its easy to get a job if you can’t cause maybe you look scruffy and got no pride in your driving why should they hire you represent their company and polite not swearing every other word…
you say a union a waste of time if every driver joined one be fair to every company in uk and fair playing field for them some bosses won’t to pay more but rates don’t allow him because joe around corner will undercut him so we suffer
Because drivers will tramp for wait for it £325 sun to friday plus £15 a night oh and all london work( I get a bonus on top of that fuel damage etc a smile none, I said your good comedian bye) this based by chester 8 miles from where a live i’ll drive an hour to get double that thank you .mmm rant over
This united we stand?
Same drivers who volunteered to assist the fire service with their recent dispute?
Same companies who will swipe a contract from a competitor at the drop of a hat?
trubster:
dozy:
Flexi drivers mon-fri days£9.50 ph,your regular driver £7 ph,what zb joke
Working for £7 per hour, you really need your head looking at!!!
Some people have bills to pay, welcome to the real world!
Another way of destroying morale, give your day shift and trampers a pay rise up to £8 ph and don’t give your nightshift anything, keep them on £8 ph
koikeeper:
trubster:
dozy:
Flexi drivers mon-fri days£9.50 ph,your regular driver £7 ph,what zb jokeWorking for £7 per hour, you really need your head looking at!!!
Some people have bills to pay, welcome to the real world!
Real world? Cleaners in ALDI are on more that £7 an hour…
I can not work out why people would work for that… And then go on to think about driver morale? What driver morale would you have for £7 an hour?
The ones that REALLY make me laugh is the drivers that run for lower rates when offered a new motor/bling/own truck.
I would and do turn away work that is offered for less than the rates that I am happy to work for.
I don’t really care what anyone else works for, it’s none of my business. I work for what I’m happy to pick up, left my last job where I got more per hour but I wasn’t happy.
Spoke to a day driver last week when he was ■■■■■■■■ about the pay, he told me he’d worked here before but left to work on the bins, he reckoned he was picking up £500 to £600 a week there,allegedly,then left to come back here for minimum wage. There’s nowt as queer as folk.
Good luck earning enough as a cleaner at ALDI, if you’re lucky you will get 37hrs a week, let’s say they are on £8ph thats £296 a week.
Also you will be on you feet all day, cleaning, toilets, sick, ■■■■ amongst other things.
I’d take a day like I have had today over that, even on £7ph. 7hrs POA (watching tv in my cab), 1hr Break, 5hrs driving and 45mins other work. (1hr unpaid break for arguments sake) £87.50 and you have actually done 5hrs 45 min WORK.
Or you could do 8hrs at work cleaning (1hr unpaid break) and get £56
I went in the traffic office after tipping to collect my return trl, “why did you not start at 6 this morning, your load was late into *********”.
My response, “because the truck didn’t get back until 06.40 this morning, the night driver sends me a txt when he’s an hr away”.
To which they replied, “the truck gets back at ten to six, you need to be in for six”!!
They then look on the tracker log, “the truck was back at 06.28, why didn’t you leave until 06.50”?
“Because the driver needs to fill the tank with diesel, if he doesn’t the truck won’t move”!! Suffice to say, I won’t be staying with this outfit for very long!! 
As I have been told that flexi drivers are on more due to the fact they do not get the £14 or whatever it is a day meal allowence so the bit extra it to make up that shortfall.
koikeeper:
Some people have bills to pay, welcome to the real world!
£7.00 a hour after tax national insurance you wont have much left to pay bills.
In this real world if drivers sadly in this industry are prepared to accept peanut wages and go along with the idea that as been rammed down our throats by media politicians and bosses that you should be grateful you have a job then you deserve all you get.
Whilst company directors shareholders are rolling in the money in wages bonuses and dividend payouts laughing up their sleeves at the drivers working 15 hour days five nights a week out for mediocre wages,the same drivers who are not prepared to stand up to collectively to aspire to improve their own wages and working conditions then spend energy on complaining in envy about what others in the industry or outside industry get.
Wake up get some backbone
Apologies if it is a long winded first post but hello to everybody not contributed to the site before but have regularly read the topics as a guest.
Was thinking about doing my class 1 next summer, not sure it’s worth the money now , I honestly can’t believe some of the rates posted here.
Some people have bills to pay, welcome to the real world!
… and drivers in different eras didn’t have bills to pay?
Well all this poa ect is the result of an industry that is poorly managed most drovers would much prefer to WORK a full 40 hour week with a decent rate of pay that reflects the work they do sitting around is boring and unproductive I would sooner be at home with a decent rate of pay
theshed:
Well all this poa ect is the result of an industry that is poorly managed most drovers would much prefer to WORK a full 40 hour week with a decent rate of pay that reflects the work they do sitting around is boring and unproductive I would sooner be at home with a decent rate of pay
You’re part of the minority by the looks of things. Seems some are happy with a cleaners wage as long as they get all the hours sent their way
maga:
Was thinking about doing my class 1 next summer, not sure it’s worth the money now
DON’T DO IT!!
trubster:
The ones that REALLY make me laugh is the drivers that run for lower rates when offered a new motor/bling/own truck.
Yeh amazingly these heroes do exist, a few of which are more than likely on here
And here lies a large part of the reason that the real drivers are suffering poor wages because of these dicks. What chance has a group of drivers got of getting a raise when you have to work with these superstars that see the job as some kind of a bloody hobby 
, you’ve seen em, the ones that come in the yard with a grands worth of Kelsa bars and spots, funded by themselves , thus telling the boss that morale among them IS high, and that the rate he pays them is capable of leaving them with enough spare cash to invest in his co to up his co. profile at no extra costs to him, so why do they need a raise…■■■■■■■ helmets the lot of em
An example of this I met a lad I have known for years in a restaurant one Sunday lunchtime, he runs a very smart fleet of trucks with all the kit, (often mentioned on this forum for their and outstanding appearance on the road) I asked him if he had them all running that Sunday, he said with a grin “Yeh a couple of them are away today to pay for their lightbars” as he had stopped buying them himself, and took their Sunday earnings off them as a “payback method”…I kid you not!!!
So him (and me) were out with our families and those knobheads were out working on a Sunday for basically ■■■■ all, But no doubt (as usual) one or two will come on here trying to empathise and justify this, somebody on here once said that “Some work for the money and some don’t!” my answer is they can pay for spots, bars, or ■■■■■■■ fuel and tyres if they want, I couldn’t give a twopenny ■■■■, but if it influences my pay rate, well that is when it does.