You gave an example of a three week period and claimed that a driver could legally work every day over that period. No, they couldn’t.
I’m a bit concerned that despite having been put on pre-mod in the past for giving out totally erroneous advice on tachograph rules, advice that could get somebody into a lot of trouble, that you are still doing it. It says in your signature that you used to be an LGV trainer, all I can say is that it is a good job that you aren’t any more.
mickyblue:
I have a question.Say that i got a job tramping in a class 2. I start work on monday at 7am. I did a 13 hour working day only doing 7 hours drive. I then take a 11 off. When can i start work? Can i start after having a 11 hour off? Sorry. Above just confused me.
Firstly Micky the class of vehicle isn’t a factor, neither are the driving hours done that day. But if you started at 7am, did 13 hours work and then took 11 off (as stated) you would start at 7am Tuesday. Assuming all criterion re reduced breaks had been met you could in this case start work as early as 5am Tuesday, should you so desire.
Harry Monk:
You gave an example of a three week period and claimed that a driver could legally work every day over that period. No, they couldn’t.I’m a bit concerned that despite having been put on pre-mod in the past for giving out totally erroneous advice on tachograph rules, advice that could get somebody into a lot of trouble, that you are still doing it. It says in your signature that you used to be an LGV trainer, all I can say is that it is a good job that you aren’t any more.
I am really worried that as an experienced driver & member of this site that you made that statement without checking it out with another who ALSO knows their stuff where the regs are concerned !!
Harry Monk:
You gave an example of a three week period and claimed that a driver could legally work every day over that period. No, they couldn’t.
Read his example again, it looks correct to me.
Mike-C:
Harry Monk:
You gave an example of a three week period and claimed that a driver could legally work every day over that period. No, they couldn’t.Read his example again, it looks correct to me.
Thanks Mike, I have learnt a lot in the last few years and although not infallable, I usually get these sort of things correct these days
I’m still confused. I’ll crack on the way I know. Been OK so far.
Here’s what VOSA have to say about it ROG
In any two consecutive ‘fixed’ weeks a driver must take at least:
two regular weekly rests; or
one regular weekly rest and one reduced weekly rest.
dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/R … Europe.pdf
You gave an example of a driver working 21 consecutive days taking only reduced rests and said that it was legal, because he had been on holiday before and was on holiday after. You are completely, totally wrong and your advice could get people into a hell of a lot of trouble. For the love of Christ, please don’t give any more advice on the law until you have learned what it is.
Harry Monk:
Here’s what VOSA have to say about it ROGIn any two consecutive ‘fixed’ weeks a driver must take at least:
two regular weekly rests; or
one regular weekly rest and one reduced weekly rest.dft.gov.uk/vosa/repository/R … Europe.pdf
You gave an example of a driver working 21 consecutive days taking only reduced rests and said that it was legal, because he had been on holiday before and was on holiday after. You are completely, totally wrong and your advice could get people into a hell of a lot of trouble. For the love of Christ, please don’t give any more advice on the law until you have learned what it is.
STOP !! Calm down, re read what he posted. Its correct what he says. The assumption is the week is started with a full 45 hour rest, thats the full rest counted for that week. The Sunday as he clearly says is a 24 hour rest…have i really got to type all this out, can’t you see its correct? There is a full rest in any two consecutive weeks how he describes it.
Mike-C:
Read his example again, it looks correct to me.
ROG:
mon tue wed thu fri sat sun mon tue wed thu fri sat sun mon tue wed thu fri sat sunworked 21 calendar days in a row
It’s not legal to work 21 calendar days in a row. No ifs, no buts.
mickyblue:
I have a question.Say that i got a job tramping in a class 2. I start work on monday at 7am. I did a 13 hour working day only doing 7 hours drive. I then take a 11 off. When can i start work? Can i start after having a 11 hour off? Sorry. Above just confused me.
If you really mean micky ‘as long as I’ve had eleven hours off can I start within my original twenty four hour period’ the answer is yes you can.
Just remember, your next twenty four hour period starts as soon as any mode other than Rest/Break is selected on your tachograph after your Daily Rest Period.
If you (erroneously as far as driving regs are concerned) consider some driving and work to be a ‘shift’ you can have as many as you want as long as they are divided by proper Daily and Weekly Rest periods. Which is the whole point of the OP as far as I can tell.
W
ROG:
I think I can do better than Harry …Shifts are 12 hours from 6pm to 6am - off every sun 6am to mon 6pm
One week holiday with first shift back on monday
mon tue wed thu fri sat sun mon tue wed thu fri sat sun mon tue wed thu fri sat sun then start another week hollidayworked 21 calendar days in a row
The EU rules - a weekly rest than spans two fixed weeks can be used for either week but not both
As the last 45 hours of the first holliday enters the first fixed week then it is assigned to be the full weekly rest for that week
The first 45 hours of the last holliday is in the third fixed week so it can be the full weekly rest for that week
That just leaves the middle of the three weeks in the senario and that has two reduced weekly rests which enter into it at the start and the end but only one is needed so the unused one is just there to prevent more than 144 hours (6x24 hour periods) being done in a row - the second does not need compensating for
As those two reduced weekly rests are 36 hours each then I would choose the first as the reduced for the middle week and the second to be a 24+12 which easily pays back the 9 hours owing from the first 36 hour reduced weekly rest
Its knowing the rules and how they apply which is the key to knowing if it is legal or not
So you don’t even know that the 36 hour rest thing was done away with six years ago?
Harry Monk:
So you don’t even know that the 36 hour rest thing was done away with six years ago?
It just HAPPENS to be a 36 hour reduced weekly rest because 6am sunday to 6pm monday = 36 hours
the senario could have been done with all shifts being 6pm to 7am so the two reduced weekly rests would be 35 hours and that would work just as well
I give up, I’ll just wait for Tachograph or Coffeeholic to arrive.
Harry Monk:
I give up, I’ll just wait for Tachograph or Coffeeholic to arrive.
Who will say the same as Mike and I 
Harry Monk:
Mike-C:
Read his example again, it looks correct to me.ROG:
mon tue wed thu fri sat sun mon tue wed thu fri sat sun mon tue wed thu fri sat sunworked 21 calendar days in a row
It’s not legal to work 21 calendar days in a row. No ifs, no buts.
You’ve left out the rest periods he stated. I was going to say you believe what you like, but you don’t even believe what you think. You’re going to wait for Tachograph or Coffeeholic to come along and solve it for you
I just realised … Mike C and I agreed on something … one of us must be on the booze or the tablets !! 
@ROG, what about
‘in two consecutive weeks there must at least one Weekly Rest Period’ ?
If your example the first week has a full Weekly Rest (because of a holiday) then a Reduced Weekly rest.
The following Weekly Rest cannot be reduced because it is consecutive to the reduced rest that went before.
Otherwise, we would all be trapsing about doing twenty one day weeks already.
W
AlexWignall:
@ROG, what about‘in two consecutive weeks there must at least one Weekly Rest Period’ ?
If your example the first week has a full Weekly Rest (because of a holiday) then a Reduced Weekly rest.
The following Weekly Rest cannot be reduced because it is consecutive to the reduced rest that went before.
Otherwise, we would all be trapsing about doing twenty one day weeks already.
W
Look again …
Week 1 has a full
week 2 has a reduced
week 3 has a full
Where has the law been broken?
ROG:
I just realised … Mike C and I agreed on something … one of us must be on the booze or the tablets !!
You’re on tablets !! I only had two pints of Guiness earlier at tea time