■■■■ Nimbyists
Let’s think about this a bit more and from a different angle. There is more to building new housing estates in the countryside or elsewhere than just it’s near whatever, or near me or just I don’t like it.
It has been raining relentlessly for some time now and we have all seen on TV pictures of the flooding, not just in the last few weeks, but pictures and stories from the last few years. A recurrent theme has been building houses in flood plains, covering fields in concrete, and what happens to the rainfall. If the water falls on earth it soaks in, and eventually finds its way into the rivers or into underground aquifers; unless like now everywhere is saturated and it runs off to wherever it can. Even allowing for housing estate sewers and storm drains, if large areas are covered in concrete it ends up in the river, but much more quickly than if it had fallen on soil, so the river backs up and overflows. It may be that the effect of this is several miles away from the cause of the source.
Now the bit that might interest those who say they couldn’t care:
Keep on building new housing estates and what happens to the essential supply services? They can’t cope any more. So who ends up paying for whatever needs to be done? who finds it takes longer to get to work or anywhere else, because of the disruption while work is being done to improve things?
There comes a point when the main sewer artery; the fresh water supply; the trunk gas main; the electricity underground or overhead; the road junctions, carriageway width, surface and foundations; etc, etc, each or all, need a massive increase in capacity. So again who pays? It’s going to be YOU and me, OUR bills for all of these services and our council tax are all going to go up.
Meanwhile the speculators of these projects have trousered a fortune; and will be contributing?….
Nothing.
cav551:
Let’s think about this a bit more and from a different angle. There is more to building new housing estates in the countryside or elsewhere than just it’s near whatever, or near me or just I don’t like it.It has been raining relentlessly for some time now and we have all seen on TV pictures of the flooding, not just in the last few weeks, but pictures and stories from the last few years. A recurrent theme has been building houses in flood plains, covering fields in concrete, and what happens to the rainfall. If the water falls on earth it soaks in, and eventually finds its way into the rivers or into underground aquifers; unless like now everywhere is saturated and it runs off to wherever it can. Even allowing for housing estate sewers and storm drains, if large areas are covered in concrete it ends up in the river, but much more quickly than if it had fallen on soil, so the river backs up and overflows. It may be that the effect of this is several miles away from the cause of the source.
Now the bit that might interest those who say they couldn’t care:
Keep on building new housing estates and what happens to the essential supply services? They can’t cope any more. So who ends up paying for whatever needs to be done? who finds it takes longer to get to work or anywhere else, because of the disruption while work is being done to improve things?
There comes a point when the main sewer artery; the fresh water supply; the trunk gas main; the electricity underground or overhead; the road junctions, carriageway width, surface and foundations; etc, etc, each or all, need a massive increase in capacity. So again who pays? It’s going to be YOU and me, OUR bills for all of these services and our council tax are all going to go up.
Meanwhile the speculators of these projects have trousered a fortune; and will be contributing?….
Nothing.
Strange though, never heard any of these complaints from you before they were happening in YOUR back yard 
In fact, if you were out of work and there was a job going driving a tipper doing muckaway to a building site, you’d be assisting in the destruction - same as I would
cav551:
Let’s think about this a bit more and from a different angle. There is more to building new housing estates in the countryside or elsewhere than just it’s near whatever, or near me or just I don’t like it.It has been raining relentlessly for some time now and we have all seen on TV pictures of the flooding, not just in the last few weeks, but pictures and stories from the last few years. A recurrent theme has been building houses in flood plains, covering fields in concrete, and what happens to the rainfall. If the water falls on earth it soaks in, and eventually finds its way into the rivers or into underground aquifers; unless like now everywhere is saturated and it runs off to wherever it can. Even allowing for housing estate sewers and storm drains, if large areas are covered in concrete it ends up in the river, but much more quickly than if it had fallen on soil, so the river backs up and overflows. It may be that the effect of this is several miles away from the cause of the source.
Now the bit that might interest those who say they couldn’t care:
Keep on building new housing estates and what happens to the essential supply services? They can’t cope any more. So who ends up paying for whatever needs to be done? who finds it takes longer to get to work or anywhere else, because of the disruption while work is being done to improve things?
There comes a point when the main sewer artery; the fresh water supply; the trunk gas main; the electricity underground or overhead; the road junctions, carriageway width, surface and foundations; etc, etc, each or all, need a massive increase in capacity. So again who pays? It’s going to be YOU and me, OUR bills for all of these services and our council tax are all going to go up.
Meanwhile the speculators of these projects have trousered a fortune; and will be contributing?….
Nothing.
The people that are living on these new estates,plus you also benefit from new road systems,new community centres,new schools or whatever the developers are told to put in by the council in order to get planning permission.
bobbya:
cav551:
Let’s think about this a bit more and from a different angle. There is more to building new housing estates in the countryside or elsewhere than just it’s near whatever, or near me or just I don’t like it.It has been raining relentlessly for some time now and we have all seen on TV pictures of the flooding, not just in the last few weeks, but pictures and stories from the last few years. A recurrent theme has been building houses in flood plains, covering fields in concrete, and what happens to the rainfall. If the water falls on earth it soaks in, and eventually finds its way into the rivers or into underground aquifers; unless like now everywhere is saturated and it runs off to wherever it can. Even allowing for housing estate sewers and storm drains, if large areas are covered in concrete it ends up in the river, but much more quickly than if it had fallen on soil, so the river backs up and overflows. It may be that the effect of this is several miles away from the cause of the source.
Now the bit that might interest those who say they couldn’t care:
Keep on building new housing estates and what happens to the essential supply services? They can’t cope any more. So who ends up paying for whatever needs to be done? who finds it takes longer to get to work or anywhere else, because of the disruption while work is being done to improve things?
There comes a point when the main sewer artery; the fresh water supply; the trunk gas main; the electricity underground or overhead; the road junctions, carriageway width, surface and foundations; etc, etc, each or all, need a massive increase in capacity. So again who pays? It’s going to be YOU and me, OUR bills for all of these services and our council tax are all going to go up.
Meanwhile the speculators of these projects have trousered a fortune; and will be contributing?….
Nothing.
The people that are living on these new estates,plus you also benefit from new road systems,new community centres,new schools or whatever the developers are told to put in by the council in order to get planning permission.
That is not always the case, a development near me has been in progress for seven years and around 500 houses have been built so far, and four shops. That is it, it is away from the overcrowded schools and doctors surgery and the developers keep going back to the council to get the goalposts moved and succeed each time.
One part of the site was for employment and the remainder for housing. Other than the four shops, one of which is an Oxfam shop and a home for people with dementia no other work has been created.
Basically what is planned isn’t always what you get and there is very little that can done about it.
I wonder if cav will be demolishing his house and returning the land to its natural state as he is preaching should be the case with the surrounding land 
. I doubt that. In my opinion it is both hypocritical and nimbyism at its finest 
I have bricks and mortar to live in but I don’t think anyone else should have, well done that man 
koikeeper:
400 bricks to the tonTo give you an estimate,
1 square metre will require 48 bricks and a standard residential 3-bedroom house of about 340 square metres will take around 16,320 bricks to finish.Concrete Blocks…55 to the tonne…probably 1tonne bag of sand for around 300 blocks
erm ,think you have your sums a little bit wrong there-how many houses near you have 340 square metres of brickwork?
16,320 bricks? so 32 packs of bricks lol?
i think you’ll find its more like 3000 facing bricks/6 packs at most!! i was a bricklayer for years when i left school,(city and guilds 588 and 588 advanced craft)what is your background in the industry? …
dont believe everything you see on google soft lad!!
cav551:
A developer is intending to build a new housing estate nearby and because of the local council’s failure a new plan of attack may be needed. Building this off a narrow country lane is going to cause traffic problems during construction, not least to the already poor condition road surface, so could I have help please to answer a few questions:Assuming a three bedroom house and a proposal for 220 houses. I am trying to work out how many lorry movements would be required to build the estate, all of which will have to pass within six feet of children exiting the local school on foot. The road is a series of blind S bends on which a car and a lorry cannot pass.
How many bricks to build such a house? how many to the tonne?
How many breeze blocks? how many to the tonne?
How many tonnes of sand? (Iknow it’s by the yard but i don’t know tipper body sizes?
Cement? Concrete? Roof tiles? roof trusses? Timber for floors etc?Sewer pipes, kerbs, flags, basecourse etc relate to the whole site, but some idea of the average numbers to either the tonne or a cap load would help.
many thanks.
what about the number of jobs created for struggling brickies/chippies/spreads/sparks/roofers/scaffolders/groundworkers/brick and block+aggregate hauliers/plant hire firms/muck away contractors/readymix etc?
lorries six feet away from school
children? so what? move house if you dont bloody like it…
andrew.s:
cav551:
A developer is intending to build a new housing estate nearby and because of the local council’s failure a new plan of attack may be needed. Building this off a narrow country lane is going to cause traffic problems during construction, not least to the already poor condition road surface, so could I have help please to answer a few questions:Assuming a three bedroom house and a proposal for 220 houses. I am trying to work out how many lorry movements would be required to build the estate, all of which will have to pass within six feet of children exiting the local school on foot. The road is a series of blind S bends on which a car and a lorry cannot pass.
How many bricks to build such a house? how many to the tonne?
How many breeze blocks? how many to the tonne?
How many tonnes of sand? (Iknow it’s by the yard but i don’t know tipper body sizes?
Cement? Concrete? Roof tiles? roof trusses? Timber for floors etc?Sewer pipes, kerbs, flags, basecourse etc relate to the whole site, but some idea of the average numbers to either the tonne or a cap load would help.
many thanks.
what about the number of jobs created for struggling brickies/chippies/spreads/sparks/roofers/scaffolders/groundworkers/brick and block+aggregate hauliers/plant hire firms/muck away contractors/readymix etc?
lorries six feet away from school
children? so what? move house if you dont bloody like it…
That’s what I was trying to get at well said.
I once did a delivery to a new housing estate that was being built in Birmingham. Got to the site and had to back into where the last of the houses were getting built off a road where there was shops and cars parked out side making it difficult for me to back in.
I went into one of the shops and asked a woman if one of the cars outside was hers and if she minded moving it so I could do my delivery. All I got from her was, “I’m sick of having to do this every time one of you lot have to make a delivery, trucks shouldn’t be coming onto this estate”
I laughed at her and said, “How do you think the shop you own got built and how did the bricks and morter to build the shop got here?” I then said she didn’t have to move it if she didn’t want to but don’t come crying when my 44 tonne artic takes it out and makes it a write off and also why does she park where she does when she has to keep going out and moving it?? 
Thick as mince some folk and with the attitude of," I’m alright jack"
nick2008:
I’d be more concerned about the increase in car traffic when the est is built adding up to an additional 660 cars that’s ave 3 cars per house.
Average 3 cars per household■■?
You live in Essex don’t you! Most people I know have 1 per household, a couple have 2, I don’t know anyone with 3. I’m not saying some people don’t have 3 cars, it’s just most definitely not the average.
Where I live there are three households that have fourteen vehicles between them and they are three bedroom houses.
They arrive with one car, Mum Dad and two or three children, ten years later they have five cars.