cattle wagon man:
…and here`s the view from the other side .
The farmer decided to clean-out the trailer .
Well,…the water`s free at the Auction.
Cheers , cattle wagon man.
Have the rules changed? Thought you had to wash out between loads on cattle.
That trailer’ll be fine. Drive it on, you.
Freight Dog:
Aw I don’t think it’s pompous. I guess they’re just proud of their hobby. To be fair I know a lot of people who are into their horses and they’re all broke, slavishly devoted to their passion and decent hard working types.
That describes my girlfriend to a T!
No change in the rules,…but it`s a waste of water on that heap of scrap.
Oh,…the farmer did travel home with the same tractor and trailer later that day . 
Cheers , cattle wagon man.
Harry Monk:
Freight Dog:
Aw I don’t think it’s pompous. I guess they’re just proud of their hobby. To be fair I know a lot of people who are into their horses and they’re all broke, slavishly devoted to their passion and decent hard working types.That describes my girlfriend to a T!
Same here Harry, but my GF has two horses and an exercise cart.
Her third horse is out on permanent loan, so we don’t count that one any more.
I was called out to the VOSA site at Leatherhead a few years ago to attend to a Ford 1513 Cargo horsebox I had never seen before, as the wording below from the invoice reveals. 2 days later I then had the job of fitting the correct width shoes, attending to other issues and preparing the vehicle for a full clearance. It turned out to be a nice little earner. The vehicle belonged to a friend of one of my customers.
“Call to attend vehicle with immediate PG9 at Leatherhead, rear o/s brakes soaked in oil.
Collect available parts & locate vehicle.
Strip out o/s/r brake, found shoes & drum soaked in oil, wash off back plate, hub &
drum, fit available shoes (too narrow) & renew oil seals.
Clean off worst off dirt from wheels & exterior of backplate, adjust brake & retorque
wheelnuts. PG9 varied to prohibition delayed for 4 days.”
sonflowerinwales:
Yes, they do get pulled by VOSA. The previous owner of mine got parked up due to no tacho, can’t prove daily rest=10 hour break. But, if you do get pulled and there’s horses onboard, you are likely to be sent on your way, unless you’ve been a very, very naughty boy (or girl).Is he having a joke with that Bedford at £2650? You can get a half decent runner for that money.
Both my trucks are private HGV, 17t and 11t, road tax and insurance is cheaper than my car. No “O” licence either.
But, I do worry when I drive them for the possible “other work” bit as I have a full time job, just the driver for Mrs F at the weekends. But that’s another subject…Horse signs, it’s the DEFRA rules.
Drive safe
Paul
Is it a pain trying to fit in the weekly rest tacho rules ?
bazza123:
sonflowerinwales:
Freight Dog:
I actually like the whole equestrian thing. Maybe that’s just a fetish for tasty women in jodhpurs though.
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Yes, horseboxes do get looked at and prohibited for mechanical and overload issues as well as drivers hours and Tachograph problems. To be fair to DVSA and the Police the presence of animals does make the whole process harder to deal with. The last thing you want is a couple of highly strung thoroughbreds cantering around your checksite with the groom/owner hanging on for dear life - yes, I have seen it happen.
The biggest issue is ignorance. But that’s pretty much the same with all transport. When a vehicle is used ‘privately’ the owner tends to assume that none of those nasty ‘commercial rules’ apply to them. Educating folk with regard to EU drivers hours rules, Tachographs, vehicle carrying capacities etc etc can be hard work. It can also provide moment of amusement; I recall being at a major equine safety conference where one of the delegates told the assembled audience that you didn’t have to stop for red traffic lights if you had got horses on board. They were deadly serious and on the plus side the rest of the audience told them they were talking rubbish.
Still, many owners try really hard, shame that a small minority let the side down - but isn’t that like all of life? As previously stated, the reason you see ‘Horses’ painted on the front and rear of boxes is because the law requires it to be done.
Right I’m off to muck out some stables, anybody want some entirely natural product to help their roses along?
We are building a horsebox at the moment and will be doing it commercially under an O licence.
The hurdles to jump through are pretty severe and wouldnt really be worth doing unless it was a bit of a passion.
Vehicles have to act under a valid o licence
standard inspections as per any other lgv
driver with cpc
plus
driver and handler have to pass exam and have ‘wato’ horsehandling qualification
horsebox has to be inspected by defra Every 5 years
etc etc
They do need to inspect and prohibit them as there are some shocking vehicles on the road.
Geebee45,sorry to hijack the thread,please can you tell me which part of this is correct.
Weekly rest periods;
Do they commence as soon as you park up on Friday night.
Or do they start after you have had 9 hours or 11 off and the 45 hours or 24 hours starts then?
The rules mention “Attached to a daily rest”.
But if you are not working Saturday,why would you need a daily rest period on a Friday night.
I have never been fined in Europe for not attaching daily rest at the end of the week.
Many thanks for your input.
It means 45 hours plus 11 hours on top.
Toby, specially for you Bertha will reply to your question. She knows a lot about EU hours and Tachos as we discuss such things travelling the Bridleways and lanes of this isle. Said in best Yorkshire accent…Neigh Lad…Apologies couldn’t resist.
The answer; your weekly rest period starts whenever you start taking rest, which is defined as; a period during which the driver may freely dispose of his (or her) time. A weekly rest period (normally 45 hours but may be reduced to as little as 24 hours) may be taken at the same time as a daily rest period, so it’s a straight 45 hours (or 24) not 45+11 or 45+9 or 24+11 or 24+9.
Edited to add; Article 8.3 of (EC)561/2006 says that a daily rest period may be ‘extended’ to form a weekly rest period. The word ‘attached’ is not used, hence it’s a straight through 45 or 24 not a 45+daily rest.
Two points to remember; weekly rest cannot be interrupted (for example to get on or off a ferry). Secondly on the final day you must still have a daily rest period (11 or 9) that complies with all the regulations surrounding daily rest. The fact that you’re extending the daily rest period to become a weekly doesn’t get you out of complying with the daily rest rules.
Hope that helps, off to share Berthas’ Ketamine and watch the pretty pink grass growing in the field
Top man Geebee,thanks for coming back.
I am off to see Nurse as i have run out of meds.
ROG:
Is it a pain trying to fit in the weekly rest tacho rules ?
Yes Rog, a right royal pain in the ■■■■. I’ve never been pulled and checked, so don’t have first hand experience.
I work a normal 50 hour week in a totally unrelated industry, so technically speaking, I can’t drive at weekends. But, if I were to be asked, I’d had the previous couple of days off at home (know what I mean…)
To be honest, if I was at home I’d be slogging my guts out working harder than the real job. Not really a rest period!
Cheers
Paul
One of the best-known horse transporters is the Kelso-based family of Eric Gillie Ltd.
Their Scanias have been designed and constructed for the purpose of safety and care of both the horses and
travelling attendants .
Photographed during a break , at Crooklands Auction Market , on a cold damp January morning.
Cheers , cattle wagon man.
sonflowerinwales:
ROG:
Is it a pain trying to fit in the weekly rest tacho rules ?I work a normal 50 hour week in a totally unrelated industry, so technically speaking, I can’t drive at weekends.
If that 50 is mon to fri then you can easily drive under EU regs for one day every other weekend
On the weekend when you did drive the other work in that fixed week must be officially recorded with the easiest way being to use a separate analogue card for each day worked with name date start and finish tine on each card - bin cards after 29 days
No EU regs driving in a fixed week = no records needed and it will be assumed that a regular weekly rest was taken in that week
Other work = WTD
EU regs = RTD
They do not get added together
emwmarine:
We are building a horsebox at the moment and will be doing it commercially under an O licence.The hurdles to jump through are pretty severe and wouldnt really be worth doing unless it was a bit of a passion.
Vehicles have to act under a valid o licence
standard inspections as per any other lgv
driver with cpcplus
driver and handler have to pass exam and have ‘wato’ horsehandling qualification
horsebox has to be inspected by defra Every 5 years
etc etcThey do need to inspect and prohibit them as there are some shocking vehicles on the road.
Right but a horse owner (rather than breeder) wouldn’t need an O licence or even tacho would they? I can’t see how winning a rosette can be seen as Reward I can understand the need for all the usual gubbins if it was a commercial enterprise.
Correct Bazza123, the VOSA doc “A Guide for Horsebox and Trailer Owners” covers in the first few pages, how they will
distingush between an amatuer activity and a commercial operation that requires an O licence.
Would be funny should the VOSA man need to check load restraint:
"Easy, er Bessy, I need to check your chin strap… "
The VOSA man will be taking down the yummy mummy’s particulars etc 
I’ll get my coat
Colingl:
Correct Bazza123, the VOSA doc “A Guide for Horsebox and Trailer Owners” covers in the first few pages, how they will distingush between an amatuer activity and a commercial operation that requires an O licence.
My mate always used to say “Horse boxes? Overweight, underpowered, poorly mantained and driven by a mere slip of a lass.”
