High Sided vehicle

[cieranc]

Like this wee beautie?

Height = 1535mm
Track = 1380mm

[cieranc]

Coffeeholic:

weeto:
According to an ex copper on a non truck related form, his understanding of a high sided vehicle would be “any slab sided vehicle taller than it’s width”.

That’s always been my understanding as a rule of thumb, minus the slab-sided bit, any vehicle that is taller than it is wide.

Is that his opinion though, or is that written in legislation, or is there case law to support?

Just if anyone ever ended up in court with a dispute over high sided, ‘a mate who’s a copper says’ isn’t going to cut the mustard!

[weeto]

cieranc:

Coffeeholic:

weeto:
According to an ex copper on a non truck related form, his understanding of a high sided vehicle would be “any slab sided vehicle taller than it’s width”.

That’s always been my understanding as a rule of thumb, minus the slab-sided bit, any vehicle that is taller than it is wide.

Is that his opinion though, or is that written in legislation, or is there case law to support?

Just if anyone ever ended up in court with a dispute over high sided, ‘a mate who’s a copper says’ isn’t going to cut the mustard!

I doubt you you would end up in court for using a road or bridge which was saying it was closed to high siders, but if you did use it and got blown over you probably would, for driving without due care and attention.
Before all this H+S ■■■■, at the forth bridge they would ask fully loaded trucks to cross on the wind side carriaige way to give protection to light vehicles from the high winds as they crossed, now I doubt they would because of the sueing culture.

[simon]

weeto:
I doubt you you would end up in court for using a road or bridge which was saying it was closed to high siders, but if you did use it and got blown over you probably would, for driving without due care and attention.
Before all this H+S [zb], at the forth bridge they would ask fully loaded trucks to cross on the wind side carriaige way to give protection to light vehicles from the high winds as they crossed, now I doubt they would because of the sueing culture.

I was ‘escorted’ over the Forth Bridge like this once, by an artic tipper. I was on my motorbike and sidecar. Trouble was, the car that I was being escorted across with was so far back, alongside the tippers trailer axles, that I was just left out behind the trailer, getting buffeted by the wind

I haven’t seen it in many years now though, at least 10, so I reckon your right.

[wheel_nut]

cieranc:

thelorryist:
Well (don’t quote me but…) I think a vehicle has to have an indicator over 9 footprint something… So won’t that be it?

You mean the height indicator in the cab?
What if there’s no trailer, and the unit is a low cabbed 9 foot 6 jobby. Still a high sided vehicle?

He said “don’t quote me”

Slow Down Fog, but fog in whose eyes? to some it is a bit misty

Animals Crossing, How many?

Old Peoples Home. Ageism or a statement of fact

High Winds. Over 9 feet or what?

[elcamino]

dazaster:
the m48 high siders was classed as anything over 6"9 yesterday

yes,i saw that also!

[vwgpmk2]

Harry Monk:

cieranc:

Harry Monk:
Yes, it seemed a reasonable question to me.

Mee to Harry, hence:

vwgpmk2:
You taking the ■■■■?

cieranc:
Yes

No such thing as a stoopid question

Apologies, internet mis-understanding!

Apologies as well.

it just seems such an open ended statment, “CLOSED TO HIGH SIDERS” at least if they put a height everyone knows what they are doing

[3300john]

Hiya…should it be slab sided…think on!! a 15.6" tautliner with the curtains fastened back(megga job)
suddenly becomes ok to drive in high winds…well it used to before all this H&S and construction and use thing.
when windy i always made sure the curtains was tight as a drum skin… when the curtains are not very taut
they catch the wind. i saw a truck go over one day. it was fully loaded 20 tons of spuds the sides was slack
and the wind got caught in his curtains and just took him over.

[merc0447]

When it says on the radio forth road bridge closed to double deckers then you check the FRB website it says closed to double decker buses only, in height terms what is the difference between a double deck trailer and a double deck bus if anything they are the same height?

[jessicas_dad]

my gaffer say’s cos im under 13’ 3" im not a high sider, so seems a good question but no definate answer.

[specialbru]

i have never known a loaded traiiler being blown over even if the sides were loose.
My opinion is if you have 20 ton on a trailer it will never blow over !!!

[cieranc]

3300John:
Hiya…should it be slab sided…think on!! a 15.6" tautliner with the curtains fastened back(megga job)

If the trailer has no back doors (like a double deck) you can’t fasten the curtains back though.

[3300john]

cieranc:

3300John:
Hiya…should it be slab sided…think on!! a 15.6" tautliner with the curtains fastened back(megga job)

If the trailer has no back doors (like a double deck) you can’t fasten the curtains back though.

Yes you can if you carry rope as i did. i had up and over door I fastened the curtains to the back pillars
to which your not supposed to do but i had a lump of timber i jammed into the door. anything to keep moving was
my game…as you say its a bad idea if theres no back doors as the wind gets into the backpanel and lifts the
back end of the trailer this can lift the roof panel out…anyhow it was the flat or slab side was the issue.
Cheers John

[waynedl]

merc0447:
When it says on the radio forth road bridge closed to double deckers then you check the FRB website it says closed to double decker buses only, in height terms what is the difference between a double deck trailer and a double deck bus if anything they are the same height?

Double deck busses when I drove them ranged from 13’6 - 14’9 according to the in-cab height stickers, but even identical busses had different heights inside, and park a 14’9 next to a 13’6 and there was nothing in it, must depend how and where measured or something.
Remember doing a route in a 14’3 double deck, and it broke down, they swapped it out for a 14’9 double deck, I slammed on brakes approaching a 14’6 bridge and phoned the boss, he told me they’d all been tested and it was fine to go under, had someone upstairs guide me under, over a 1’ clearance.

Double deck trailers usually 15’6 upto around 16’3.

[cieranc]

3300John:
as you say its a bad idea if theres no back doors as the wind gets into the backpanel and lifts the
back end of the trailer this can lift the roof panel out…anyhow it was the flat or slab side was the issue.
Cheers John

Aye John, meant to say, you can physically tie the curtains back, but the problem with no back doors is the wind comes in the sides (no curtains) hits the back doors and deflects upwards, ripping that thin ally sheet roof off.
Repaired more than a few trailers that’d had the roofs blown off due to this.

[pat_hasler]

cieranc:
Do you really need to ask? Could you not just apply common sense?

Is a loaded container a high sided vehicle? Is an empty double-deck?

If you need the Highways Agency to tell you what’s safe and what isn’t,…

Perfect answer
It’s just a matter of common sense. I have driven with 16’3" tautliners that when loaded will not even sway but when empty will be turned into a sailing ship on land.
One night in the 90’s when an un-forecast hurricain struck England Swifts had 6 of them blow over on the M25.

[wheel_nut]

cieranc:

3300John:
as you say its a bad idea if theres no back doors as the wind gets into the backpanel and lifts the
back end of the trailer this can lift the roof panel out…anyhow it was the flat or slab side was the issue.
Cheers John

Aye John, meant to say, you can physically tie the curtains back, but the problem with no back doors is the wind comes in the sides (no curtains) hits the back doors and deflects upwards, ripping that thin ally sheet roof off.
Repaired more than a few trailers that’d had the roofs blown off due to this.

Me too, even bulk boxes with polycarbonate roofs when the hatches were left open after unloading

[jessicas_dad]

Pat Hasler:

cieranc:
Do you really need to ask? Could you not just apply common sense?

Is a loaded container a high sided vehicle? Is an empty double-deck?

If you need the Highways Agency to tell you what’s safe and what isn’t,…

Perfect answer
It’s just a matter of common sense. I have driven with 16’3" tautliners that when loaded will not even sway but when empty will be turned into a sailing ship on land.
One night in the 90’s when an un-forecast hurricain struck England Swifts had 6 of them blow over on the M25.

late 80’s hurrican fish

[pat_hasler]

jessicas dad:

Pat Hasler:

cieranc:
Do you really need to ask? Could you not just apply common sense?

Is a loaded container a high sided vehicle? Is an empty double-deck?

If you need the Highways Agency to tell you what’s safe and what isn’t,…

Perfect answer
It’s just a matter of common sense. I have driven with 16’3" tautliners that when loaded will not even sway but when empty will be turned into a sailing ship on land.
One night in the 90’s when an un-forecast hurricain struck England Swifts had 6 of them blow over on the M25.

late 80’s hurrican fish

Yep ! Micheal Fish got a roasting for not forecasting it