> Sploom:
> Reading some of these posts,it sounds like,not that you believe He exists,its the fact that you hate Him,because you dont like the things He allows and does.I suggest
> If I said Father Christmas exists,you would all just simply laugh at me,thats the difference
We are all laughing at you for believing such a load of old bollox, designed to keep the proles in place and kowtowing.
Someone told Lemmy he was god and Lemmy said “No I met God on acid and he’s taller”
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your all as bad as eachother 
what a bunch of ■■■■■■’s 
Well my take on all of this is that if people have a faith and it helps them cope with life then it isn’t something that should be mocked just because your beliefs differ to theirs.
I studied the bible for many years whilst at school, I do not consider myself as religious in the slightest, in fact I am more of an atheist than anything but I would not call anyone who has a faith. Some very clever people are deeply religious and have a strong faith but that is personal to them. It doesn’t affect their normal jobs that they do nor does it affect their mental ability to lead a normal family life. You wouldn’t exactly call the pope thick.
Sploom:
Reading some of these posts,it sounds like,not that you believe He exists,its the fact that you hate Him,because you dont like the things He allows and does.I suggest
If I said Father Christmas exists,you would all just simply laugh at me,thats the difference
Just got back in, checked out T.net 
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Wow, I’ve started something here 
…, but tbf it was you who initially went all Billy Wright on me,.so I responded by protesting about it.
Ok, from my angle, I don’t believe any type of fantasy, but to hate ‘‘him’’ you would have to believe ‘‘he’’ existed. 
An atheist who says he hates God is a paradox, a contradiction,.so tbf mate that is a ridiculous line of defence you are putting up.
Like any fanatical religious type, (I’m stopping myself saying 'religious nut here btw,.as that would be an insult)…so I mean this in the literal sense not as an insult, but you do come across as being brainwashed and not listening to logic.
As for your Santa analogy, there is NO difference as you suggest, in the same vein people WILL laugh at you, (not me btw as both my grandparents were devout Christians.) because to a rational free thinking person who is not prone to believing a supernatural fantasy, nor mentally restrained by it, and a one that can never be proven, …A bloke who lives in the sky in some nirvanic land, who created a world out of nothing on his own, is as derisory and ridiculous as Santa flying on his sleigh and coming down your chimney.
Just for second mate, release those mental restraints and open your mind to logic.
m.a.n rules:
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your all as bad as eachother
Me and you are normally on the same wavelength.
You can’t just label somebody as a ■■■■■■ because he refuses to believe what he sees as some ancient fantasy, designed to keep people down, and based very much on a fear of death.
Just saying mate.
I find this subject.and peoples different attitude on this subject fascinating.
Sorry to hi jack the thread, 
but I did suggest reviving the other one tbf.
Me and you are normally on the same wavelength.
You can’t just label somebody as a ■■■■■■ because he refuses to believe what he sees as some ancient fantasy, designed to keep people down, and based very much on a fear of death.
Just saying mate.
I can and i have… 
merry christmas yer geordie ■■■■■■ 
m.a.n rules:
I can and i have…
■■■■ you
Oh and merry Christmas back btw .
Who are you calling ■■■■■■?
And you never toss I’m sure.
Talk about a thread hijack!!!
So from all your posts I gather its God that decides if I get ill from truckdriving?
I thought…
David Icke was god?
Swordsy:
Talk about a thread hijack!!!So from all your posts I gather its God that decides if I get ill from truckdriving?
Maybe I’m the guilty party this time mate, sorry, … but it started as a reaction after someone tried to preach at me on this thread,.which generally and usually annoys the hell out of me.
As for your God/health theory…Maybe it is maybe it ain’t, who knows?
I just thank God that I’m a true atheist,…I even mentioned it to him in last night’s prayers.
JeffA:
Who are you calling ■■■■■■?And you never toss I’m sure.
i toss as often as i can jeff , i lurvvve it…
robroy:
Swordsy:
Talk about a thread hijack!!!So from all your posts I gather its God that decides if I get ill from truckdriving?
Maybe I’m the guilty party this time mate, sorry,
As for your God/health theory…Maybe it is maybe it ain’t, who knows?
I just thank God that I’m a true atheist,…I even mentioned it to him in last night’s prayers.
Most drivers dont mind when I bring up the subject of religion,like at our place,when we do double manning,the conversation always seems to come round to religion,but I think,a lot of drivers do seem to like talking about this,even if it is in a negative way
Sploom:
Most drivers dont mind when I bring up the subject of religion,like at our place,when we do double manning,the conversation always seems to come round to religion,but I think,a lot of drivers do seem to like talking about this,even if it is in a negative way
In my book I think it is nice to see someone having faith when those around don’t.
I am not a man of religion at all but I have found this topic very interesting if not intriguing. I can imagine how others can be interested too.
Sploom:
robroy:
Swordsy:
Talk about a thread hijack!!!So from all your posts I gather its God that decides if I get ill from truckdriving?
Maybe I’m the guilty party this time mate, sorry,
As for your God/health theory…Maybe it is maybe it ain’t, who knows?
I just thank God that I’m a true atheist,…I even mentioned it to him in last night’s prayers.Most drivers dont mind when I bring up the subject of religion,like at our place,when we do double manning,the conversation always seems to come round to religion,but I think,a lot of drivers do seem to like talking about this,even if it is in a negative way
So who kicks the conversation about it off?
I’m guessing you, after all you brought it up on here on an entirely unrelated subject, by preaching some religious clap trap about payment for sins or whatever.
In my experience these fanatical religious types are always trying to put across their beliefs in the hope they can ‘recruit’ another ‘victim’.
For example those tossers who interrupt you while watching football, who knock on your door on a Sunday afternoon dressed like solicitors from the 50s, with their pamphlets 
…the name of their sect escapes me.
I reluctantly got into a conversation with one once, (I usually tell them I worship the devil to see the shock and horror on their faces…I don’t btw ) he mentioned something about ‘‘Living under the guidance of the Bible’’ , I pointed out to him the Bible is over 2000 years old, things change, if I was going to make a cake I wouldn’t be following instructions from a recipe book 2000 years old.
As usual you can never get through to these robotic types, so I eventually told him politely to do one.
It ain’t just Christianity I have a problem with either, any religious mumbo jumbo gets the same treatment from me.
robroy:
I pointed out to him the Bible is over 2000 years old, things change, if I was going to make a cake I wouldn’t be following instructions from a recipe book 2000 years old.
As usual you can never get through to these robotic types,
Very true, when the Monks wrote the bible, you was classed as a magician if you could make fire. I genuinely believe in Aliens as the laws of probability are to great to ignore. Also there appears to be more evidence that they do exist than the evidence that god existed. I believe the god that the bible refers to is actually alien life. More believable than the current belief in any god. Look at structures like Stonehenge and Pyramids etc, we still to this day do not understand how they could have built them with such accuracy with no technology or mechanical plant.
right i’ll be serious for once, my view on it is, it is the most wonderful story ever written and that is all it is A STORY .i have’nt got a religous bone in my body and i speak as a man who.s missus is going too mass tonight and if that gives her peace and solace great…
any how enough seriousness (it dont suit me 
) in the words of the late great dave allen merry christnas and mayYOUR god go with you
p.s robroy you can’t go around calling people tossers…
Yorkshire Tramper:
robroy:
I pointed out to him the Bible is over 2000 years old, things change, if I was going to make a cake I wouldn’t be following instructions from a recipe book 2000 years old.
As usual you can never get through to these robotic types,Very true, when the Monks wrote the bible, you was classed as a magician if you could make fire. I genuinely believe in Aliens as the laws of probability are to great to ignore. Also there appears to be more evidence that they do exist than the evidence that god existed. I believe the god that the bible refers to is actually alien life. More believable than the current belief in any god. Look at structures like Stonehenge and Pyramids etc, we still to this day do not understand how they could have built them with such accuracy with no technology or mechanical plant.
Wow!
And I thought that I had opened a can of worms kicking off after a sermon was chucked at me…
To get back to the Bible there are some good stories in there, whether you should live your life by it or not,.I just find plain ridiculous.
I have no problem believing Jesus Christ actually lived,.same as I have no problem believing Julius Ceaser actually lived, it’s just history.
It’s the virgin birth I find plain ridiculous,.and the son of (a) god aspect, then of course the resurrection…absolute fictional nonsense as far as I’m concerned.
If I’m coming across as being a bit vocal on this subject, it’s because all this cack was rammed down my Gregory as a kid.
I have no problem with those naive and gullible enough to believe it, it’s when it is attempted to be instilled on me now as an adult by them, that I ain’t keen on, so if attempted slightly or seriously, I tend to get the slight hump, in fact I hate it…so if I come across as an over reaction on this, that is my explanation.
Bloody hell, what was that noise?
Oh it was thunder and lightning.
I’m just imagining Mr Sploom sat reading this and shouting top of his voice…
‘‘It’s blasphemy I tell you’’.
Yorkshire Tramper:
I genuinely believe in Aliens as the laws of probability are to great to ignore.
That other life forms are out there? A statistical certainty for my money.
That other life forms have been here to visit us? No. I’ve got a solid mathematical explanation (too long for an unsolicited TM posting) that makes an excellent case as to why that hasn’t happened.