Santa:
Thank’s Dave - I thought I’d “got away with it” too.
Since I was told in no unceartain terms that it was “OK” by the vehicle owner (or at least his TM) would my ignorance have absolved me?
Hi Santa, the short answer is ‘yes’ mate.
A driver works for the ‘carrier,’ the carrier usually works for the consignor. Between them, they are required to identify what’s what, document it, provide info and equipment etc, etc. These days, a driver isn’t required to know when or even how the Regs apply to a job. Thankfully, the law is now written much more clearly and places the responsibility for ensuring that everything is correct upon the vehicle owner (the carrier.)
Santa:
The job I do now often means collecting hazardous goods in small quantities. (Hair spray for example). Can I rely on the shippers assurance that it is OK?
Hair spray in aerosols is usually counted as dangerous goods and probably has the UN number 1950.
However, provided that the aerosols are packaged in a certain way and are no bigger that 1 liter each and there’s a white diamond sticker with “UN 1950” on it on the boxes or trays, then you’re completely exempt from ADR no matter how many boxes you’re carrying. No orange boards, no ADR licence, no nothing.
If I’m right in my little guess, it’s called ‘carriage in Limited Quantities’ and that’s then ADR exempt.
Also limited Quantity stuff has a diamond plackard with LQ stuck in the middle of it.
As a rule of thumb if packages have any class danger labels on them they contribute towards the load ADR threshold, once you have X amount on you need to comply to ADR rules and regs.
I do belive theres a new label coming for LQ’s isnt there DAve. Im sure I heard that the other day! LOL Was listening honest!
Goaty:
if they do exceed 1000 ltrs then you’ll need “in tanks”.
I’m guessing that your “1,000” was a typo and you really meant 3,000. If so, you’re correct again.
(Just give a knowing nod at this point and nobody will notice. )
Imp:
Also limited Quantity stuff has a diamond plackard with LQ stuck in the middle of it.
As a rule of thumb if packages have any class danger labels on them they contribute towards the load ADR threshold, once you have X amount on you need to comply to ADR rules and regs.
I do belive theres a new label coming for LQ’s isnt there DAve. Im sure I heard that the other day! LOL Was listening honest!
Hi Imp, I know what you mean mate, and you’re right too (almost )
Limited Quantity (LQ) stuff is best thought of as the kind of (dangerous goods) stuff any member of the public can buy in a retail outlet. Goods that are hardly dangerous, packaged in small receptacles contained in boxes no heavier than 30kgs.
As an alternative to boxes, shrink-wrapped trays may be used as a package for some LQ goods, but trays have a max weight of 20kgs each, so the consignors/consignees get some choice. Once the ‘stuff’ is packaged in one of those two ways, there’s a white diamond LABEL (Placards are BIG, labels are small) that needs to be placed on the package, then you can load as many as your vehicle will carry, and you’ll not need to comply with any of ADR.
Here’s a typical box for Limited Quantity ‘stuff:’
Then they have to stick the relevant label on the box:
(In this case, UN 2984 is for hydrogen peroxide.)
The LQ code assigned to UN 2984 indicates that inner receptacles of no greater than 1 liter may be used for this product, hence the little 1 liter plastic bottles in the cardboard box above.
In the case of multiple UN numbers being contained in an LQ package, the consignor has two options.
Option #1. They’re allowed to put more than one UN number on the white label OR,
Option #2. They’re allowed to use white labels with just the letters “LQ” on them, which equally means that multiple UN numbers are contained within the package.
Aerosols are commonly carried in stretch-wrapped trays like this: UN 1950 is a catch-all UN number for aerosols.
And you’re spot on about the new LQ label too, so you’re forgiven for getting labels and placards mixed-up.
busyboy:
Thanks DIESELDAVE for taking the time to reply to my post. It’s great to have someone as knowledgable and as wise as yourself, whom confused souls like myself can call upon for advice from time to time. Keep up the good work. Thanks again to you and eveyone else who responded.
Hi busyboy, I’m always happy to help and glad when I’m able to do so- it’s a pleasure!!.
busyboy:
Thanks DIESELDAVE for taking the time to reply to my post. It’s great to have someone as knowledgable and as wise as yourself, whom confused souls like myself can call upon for advice from time to time. Keep up the good work. Thanks again to you and eveyone else who responded.
That goes for me too. It’s nice to know that we aren’t expected to know everything about everything
busyboy:
Thanks DIESELDAVE for taking the time to reply to my post. It’s great to have someone as knowledgable and as wise as yourself, whom confused souls like myself can call upon for advice from time to time. Keep up the good work. Thanks again to you and eveyone else who responded.
That goes for me too. It’s nice to know that we aren’t expected to know everything about everything
Hi Santa, Thanks for that mate, cos it’s good to know that I’m appreciated.
Now it’s time for another in my series: ‘strange but true’…
Up until 09/05/2004, the driver did have to know this kind of stuff, BUT since that date, that responsibility has passed to the owner of the vehicle.
You wouldn’t believe how many bosses fail to realise this AND the fact that they’ve needed to employ a DGSA for even longer, cos that requirement came out in the UK on 31/12/1999.
One think we learnt the other day was about our respirators. All ours are in the truck in a ADR kit bag and the filters are fitted. What we discovered though was the filters shouldnt be fitted and should be still in the air tight sealed bag you buy them in. Only to come our when yoiu need them.
Once they are out the bag they are catching particals and gradually blocking up, hence the need to be kept air tight. One of those small things that probably only a very well genned up VOSA type would pick up on but hey ho!
Oh and obviously they have a throw away date on them as well but we all know that dont we!
Imp:
One think we learnt the other day was about our respirators. All ours are in the truck in a ADR kit bag and the filters are fitted. What we discovered though was the filters shouldnt be fitted and should be still in the air tight sealed bag you buy them in. Only to come our when yoiu need them.
Once they are out the bag they are catching particals and gradually blocking up, hence the need to be kept air tight. One of those small things that probably only a very well genned up VOSA type would pick up on but hey ho!
Oh and obviously they have a throw away date on them as well but we all know that dont we!
Hi Imp, you’re so nearly correct.
The only slightly iffy part was the fact that the respirator filters are impregnated with a chemical that goes off over time, or upon exposure to air, so that’s the reason for the requirement of filters being in a sealed packet.
Otherwise than that, you’re spot-on mate.
Time for another ‘strange but true’ Did you know that you only need a respirator if you’re carrying classes 2.3 and/or 6.1 including if 6.1 is a secondary danger?
Many folks wrongly think that a respirator is a standard piece of ADR kit. Sorry, but they’re WRONG.
Yes and so much of the PPE that was required has altered. Splash apron welly boots etc now nowhere to be seen on Instruction in writing/tremcards.
Equipment for personal and general protection to carry out general actions and hazard specific emergency actions to be carried on board the vehicle in accordance with section 8.1.5 of ADR
The following equipment shall be carried on board the transport unit for all danger label numbers:
for each vehicle, a wheel chock of a size suited to the maximum mass of the vehicle and to the diameter of the wheel;
two self-standing warning signs;
eye rinsing liquid;
and for each member of the vehicle crew
a warning vest (e.g. as described in the EN 471 standard);
portable lighting apparatus;
a pair of protective gloves; and
eye protection (e.g. protective goggles).
Additional equipment required for certain classes:
an emergency escape mask for each member of the vehicle crew shall be carried on board the vehicle for danger label numbers 2.3 or 6.1;
a shovel;
a drain seal;
a collecting container made of plastics.
As it says respirator for 2.3 and 6.1 and we do a little od 6.1 so better safe than sorry.
Hi Imp, would you have another look at where you copied and pasted that list from please?
Is there a bit missing from the bottom mate ■■
As it stands, our readers will be under the wrong impression about the last three items on your list, because your list implies that those items are needed for all UN Classes.
A tiny little letter “c” is your clue, its right at the end of Section 5.4.3 and the last three items on your list
Equipment for personal and general protection
to carry out general actions and hazard specific emergency actions
to be carried on board the vehicle in accordance with section 8.1.5 of ADR
The following equipment shall be carried on board the transport unit for all danger label numbers:
for each vehicle, a wheel chock of a size suited to the maximum mass of the
vehicle and to the diameter of the wheel;
two self-standing warning signs;
eye rinsing liquida; and
for each member of the vehicle crew
a warning vest (e.g. as described in the EN 471 standard);
portable lighting apparatus;
a pair of protective gloves; and
eye protection (e.g. protective goggles).
Additional equipment required for certain classes:
an emergency escape maskb for each member of the vehicle crew shall be carried
on board the vehicle for danger label numbers 2.3 or 6.1;
a shovelc;
a drain sealc;
a collecting container made of plasticsc
Thats is an exact copy and paste Dave. I did tidy it up last time but this is direct from the www.unece.org site
Imp:
Equipment for personal and general protection
to carry out general actions and hazard specific emergency actions
to be carried on board the vehicle in accordance with section 8.1.5 of ADR
The following equipment shall be carried on board the transport unit for all danger label numbers:
for each vehicle, a wheel chock of a size suited to the maximum mass of the
vehicle and to the diameter of the wheel;
two self-standing warning signs;
eye rinsing liquida; and
for each member of the vehicle crew
a warning vest (e.g. as described in the EN 471 standard);
portable lighting apparatus;
a pair of protective gloves; and
eye protection (e.g. protective goggles).
Additional equipment required for certain classes:
an emergency escape maskb for each member of the vehicle crew shall be carried
on board the vehicle for danger label numbers 2.3 or 6.1;
a shovelc;
a drain sealc;
a collecting container made of plasticsc
Thats is an exact copy and paste Dave. I did tidy it up last time but this is direct from the unece.org site
Hi Imp,
You’ve got the three x little letter “c” after the three items, but you need to look at the very bottom of the page.
c Only required for [solids and] liquids with danger label numbers 3, 4.1, 4.3, 8 and 9.
Nearly ROG
I don’t know where you got that from, but it’s not quite right.
The reference to solids and liquids is totally spurious and not needed by those who understand danger labels.
This is the correct version:
c Only required for danger label numbers 3, 4.1, 4.3, 8 and 9
Argh yes Dave must of missed that as I cut and pasted!
Wonder why there is no additional guidance down for Spontanious combustables and Infectious substances and Fissle Material
Should say leg it pretty quick for first one, slow death by next and for fissle, well ooops or Sorry
Imp:
Argh yes Dave must of missed that as I cut and pasted!
Wonder why there is no additional guidance down for Spontanious combustables and Infectious substances and Fissle Material
Should say leg it pretty quick for first one, slow death by next and for fissle, well ooops or Sorry
Hi Imp, that’s very true mate!!
I knew that there was a bit missing and that we’d sort it, but my real buzz was getting ROG.
No need for a penalty shoot-out when ROG tries his hand at ADR.
Did you know that you only need a respirator if you’re carrying classes 
Is there a bit missing from the bottom mate ■■
