folk in edinburgh are clueless tbh
And that comes fae a fifer 
Happy Keith:
I’ve got it licked by r/handed steering with r/h indicator on whilst ‘rocking’ the hazard switch on/off in time with the indicator flashing with my left paw - [/i]
Sorry but if I saw this I’d think you have a problem with your electrics 
I have done a few of these, as have most blokes who have driven for a while. The simplest thing is wait for a gap, headlights on main beam, hazards on and go for it, pull across the road until you can see the gatehole in the mirror and hurry up.
If I get someone trying to sneak through. I take an extra couple of over zealous shunts and make him look a prat.
If you get some sweet old lady trying to bully her way past, just stop, get out and ask her nicely if she is on holiday or visiting her daughter, if she says yes, tell her you are at work and she has to zb wait 
Should the operation of Hazard lights be changed so that it “alternates” the indicators, left-right-left-right? as some police vehicles red strobes do?
If so, should the speed of flash (especially given the increasing use of LED lights) could be set slightly faster than that of the indicators.
OR
Leave them as they are but incorporate the brake lights into the circuit so they flash in unision with the hazards?
Rick B:
Happy Keith:
I’ve got it licked by r/handed steering with r/h indicator on whilst ‘rocking’ the hazard switch on/off in time with the indicator flashing with my left paw - [/i]‘…Sorry but if I saw this I’d think you have a problem with your electrics…’
Exactly …you’d at least think that all was not cushty- instead of monging-on through…
Surely communication on the road by whatever legal & respectful means is debateably either about helping the dense road-user and/or oneself out of the dock?
Highway code:
116
Hazard warning lights. These may be used when your vehicle is stationary, to warn that it is temporarily obstructing traffic. Never use them as an excuse for dangerous or illegal parking. You MUST NOT use hazard warning lights while driving or being towed unless you are on a motorway or unrestricted dual carriageway and you need to warn drivers behind you of a hazard or obstruction ahead. Only use them for long enough to ensure that your warning has been observed.
This just about sums it up.
My take on it is if you are causing a hazard you are doing something wrong and should not be doing it if there is any way to avoid it,
IE: Reversing is fine if it isn’t causing a hazard, you won’t need hazard lights then, but if it is you should get someone to watch you, then you won’t need the hazard lights.
Oh yeah, i forgot, lots of delivery places are so helpful like that. As soon as you get near 2 banksmen come running out into the road with their high viz’s on & red flags in hand, keen to manage the traffic and generally assist you in anyway possible! 
Driveroneuk:
Oh yeah, i forgot, lots of delivery places are so helpful like that. As soon as you get near 2 banksmen come running out into the road with their high viz’s on & red flags in hand, keen to manage the traffic and generally assist you in anyway possible!
then you should ask for their health and safety officer to explain their risk assessment procedures. No truck should be reversing unsupervised if it is likely to cause a hazard. of course if it isn’t likely to cause a hazard, you won’t need your hazard light on, so is not a problem
Fair comment Jimti but then most of us work in the real world in civvy street, we don’t get your regimented army training.
PS Got a reliable contact could go check out some land I own but have never seen 15 miles west of Belize City? 
jimti:
Driveroneuk:
Oh yeah, i forgot, lots of delivery places are so helpful like that. As soon as you get near 2 banksmen come running out into the road with their high viz’s on & red flags in hand, keen to manage the traffic and generally assist you in anyway possible!then you should ask for their health and safety officer to explain their risk assessment procedures. No truck should be reversing unsupervised if it is likely to cause a hazard. of course if it isn’t likely to cause a hazard, you won’t need your hazard light on, so is not a problem
yep,i can just see me pulling up outside of a busy dealership on a very busy road,just before closing time(or whatever time for that matter),and running inside to ask for banksmen and a health and safety rep to come out.get real jimti,you obviously dont drive for a living.do you like some others on here,live in "perfect world"where everything must be done by the book,or it shoudlnt be happening at all,or are you like the majority who go out and do jobs in the real world.
p.s. coffee is on,if you would like to smell!.
jimti:
‘…then you should ask for their health and safety officer … explain their risk assessment procedures … No truck unsupervised…’
Flippin heck, jimti, you not aware of being silent when advising a civvy!?
We haint on the parade-square, naah …this his the 'orrible reality hartside the comfort of the commandin hofficers ante-room: How impressed would he be if we took our loads of mortar rounds back to the harmoury because the nasty men wiv noisy shooters on the front line didn’t have ear-def’s & hi-viz?
We don’t train for war - it’s an everyday operation.
ROG:
tony66:
Yes they do i have a citroen RHD and once you drive over 30 mph and hit the breaks hard hazard lights will auto come on and they stay on for 3 seconds after you release break peddle.The ‘STIG’ on Top Gear drove one around the track recently
Fiat 500 the new one does it. And the brakes catch fire after 2 laps of Oulton Park nice little town car though.
Driveroneuk:
Fair comment Jimti but then most of us work in the real world in civvy street, we don’t get your regimented army training.PS Got a reliable contact could go check out some land I own but have never seen 15 miles west of Belize City?
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Happy Keith:
jimti:
‘…then you should ask for their health and safety officer … explain their risk assessment procedures … No truck unsupervised…’Flippin heck, jimti, you not aware of being silent when advising a civvy!?
We haint on the parade-square, naah …this his the 'orrible reality hartside the comfort of the commandin hofficers ante-room: How impressed would he be if we took our loads of mortar rounds back to the harmoury because the nasty men wiv noisy shooters on the front line didn’t have ear-def’s & hi-viz?
We don’t train for war - it’s an everyday operation.
I left the army in 1986 and have been driving uk and Europe since
buck73:
jimti:
Driveroneuk:
Oh yeah, i forgot, lots of delivery places are so helpful like that. As soon as you get near 2 banksmen come running out into the road with their high viz’s on & red flags in hand, keen to manage the traffic and generally assist you in anyway possible!then you should ask for their health and safety officer to explain their risk assessment procedures. No truck should be reversing unsupervised if it is likely to cause a hazard. of course if it isn’t likely to cause a hazard, you won’t need your hazard light on, so is not a problem
yep,i can just see me pulling up outside of a busy dealership on a very busy road,just before closing time(or whatever time for that matter),and running inside to ask for banksmen and a health and safety rep to come out.get real jimti,you obviously dont drive for a living.do you like some others on here,live in "perfect world"where everything must be done by the book,or it shoudlnt be happening at all,or are you like the majority who go out and do jobs in the real world.
p.s. coffee is on,if you would like to smell!.
Maybe better than running over someone who is not aware of what you are doing?
Sorry I may have worded that wrong
If it is hazardous I do not do it
if it isn’t you won’t need hazard lights.
I didn’t mean get the H&S officer out to guide you in, if there by getting into the premises you are creating a hazard it is the responsibility of that company’s H&S officer to address the problem, maybe because nobody has pointed out the hazard he/she is not aware of any problem
Oh, and I have been driving in the real world since 1986, and the army for 10 years before that
jimti:
Maybe better than running over someone who is not aware of what you are doing?Sorry I may have worded that wrong
If it is hazardous I do not do it
if it isn’t you won’t need hazard lights.I didn’t mean get the H&S officer out to guide you in, if there by getting into the premises you are creating a hazard it is the responsibility of that company’s H&S officer to address the problem, maybe because nobody has pointed out the hazard he/she is not aware of any problem
Oh, and I have been driving in the real world since 1986, and the army for 10 years before that
no sorry jimti,i dont buy into your rose tinted spectacle view of thinking.you are talking above about a world that doesnt exist here on planet earth.i use my hazard lights,not primarily as an excuse to park where i like,but at 18.75 meters long,16"0 high,and running at just over an inch off constant ground clearance,i dont have the luxury afforded to some to park where i should,but sometimes have to park where i deem it safe for myself,others,the load and vehicle.in the course of this i dont give a flying ■■■■ what the highway code says about the usage of my hazard lights,i will use them to try to attract attention to other road users that i am,or about to do something out of the normal.if we follow your second paragraphs line of thinking,i dare say you have just closed down two thirds of the countrys car dealerships alone,sometimes a hazard is just parking on a main road for us.
now if others on here applied the same philosophy to their specific jobs,im pretty ■■■■ sure all sorts of problems will be encountered by the “black or white” method you suggest.
would love to know how the old timers got on,in the days before all this mollycoddling,wrapped in cotton wool h&s dogs danglys came into being!.poor boys must have struggled.
and your last sentance is not something i would advertise personally!lol.
buck73:
jimti:
Maybe better than running over someone who is not aware of what you are doing?Sorry I may have worded that wrong
If it is hazardous I do not do it
if it isn’t you won’t need hazard lights.I didn’t mean get the H&S officer out to guide you in, if there by getting into the premises you are creating a hazard it is the responsibility of that company’s H&S officer to address the problem, maybe because nobody has pointed out the hazard he/she is not aware of any problem
Oh, and I have been driving in the real world since 1986, and the army for 10 years before that
no sorry jimti,i dont buy into your rose tinted spectacle view of thinking.you are talking above about a world that doesnt exist here on planet earth.i use my hazard lights,not primarily as an excuse to park where i like,but at 18.75 meters long,16"0 high,and running at just over an inch off constant ground clearance,i dont have the luxury afforded to some to park where i should,but sometimes have to park where i deem it safe for myself,others,the load and vehicle.in the course of this i dont give a flying [zb] what the highway code says about the usage of my hazard lights,i will use them to try to attract attention to other road users that i am,or about to do something out of the normal.if we follow your second paragraphs line of thinking,i dare say you have just closed down two thirds of the countrys car dealerships alone,sometimes a hazard is just parking on a main road for us.
now if others on here applied the same philosophy to their specific jobs,im pretty ■■■■ sure all sorts of problems will be encountered by the “black or white” method you suggest.
would love to know how the old timers got on,in the days before all this mollycoddling,wrapped in cotton wool h&s dogs danglys came into being!.poor boys must have struggled.
and your last sentance is not something i would advertise personally!lol.
I am still wording it wrong, I would use my hazard lights if parked in a hazardous place, if there was nowhere better to park, what I was trying to put over is I would not be driving if it was hazardous without some form of supervision. I have never so far been in a position where I have not been able to find help if needed. Sometimes you can do manoeuvres where it is perfectly safe without assistance, other times you need someone to watch what others are doing around you (and control them)…I probably still haven’t said what I mean correctly but I know what I mean. To give you an idea, I used to do multi drop steel deliveries around London, usually with 10 ft of steel sticking out the back of the truck, I would do around 15 to 20 tips a day, in all sorts of areas, if I came to one that was safe to just pull up and unload, no problem, but if I had to say reverse in a busy street down some side street and traffic was heavy or lots of pedestrians I would not just do it by my self, but go and get assistance. I don’t want to injure anyone just for the sake of not asking for help.
What you are talking about is parking close to car showrooms being a hazard, that is a good case of why we have hazard lights, but if it is a hazardous place and the company you are delivering to is aware of this, it is their responsibility to make it as safe as possible for you them and any other people who may be affected, maybe by putting cones out, or what ever else is required.
I know this is as clear as mud, but I know what I mean LOL
your point is taken jimti, i know what you were getting at in the end,i know what you were saying about certain applications does or should require a banksmen or such like for safety,and i agree with you 100%,i would hate anybody to be injured or killed by something that could easily have been avoided.my point was,that,its not always clear cut or practical or even for that matter possible to do what should be done for a variety of reasons.i hereby endith my rant.