H&S - we are doomed

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Heh…

Poor kids of nowadays…

I was in Scouting. We used to go somewhere to the forrest, we were left on the road by the bus company, then walk couple of miles when the lorry full of tents and tools and ex-military trailer-kitchen was waiting for us. We had to build our camp from scratch before night came, using forrest-available materials and then live there for couple of weeks. We had the older scouts, who had aprioprate merit badges to work as lifeguards, as a chiefs or whatever. Then the H&S issues arrived. Soon to organize scout camp (as I was already older and I was in charge) we had to eploy Chief and Kitchen Porters) as for safety reasons kids are not allowed into the kitchen, as you need to be 18 and to have hygiene certificate, we were not allowed to build our own futnirute in the tents, as it’s not healtly for a kids to sleep on the self-made bed, and it’s danger for them to use nails and hammer. Then they demanded every kid to have white sheet in their beds (great idea if you sleeping in the middle of the forrest) , we were not allowed to built gates to the camp, as the gates were too high, and we were not allowed to build the fence arround the camp due to fire hazard. Then we were forced to give up traditional way of building latrines and we had to order the portable toilets. We had also to organize a small hostpital “in case of”. Common use of scout and ex-military mess tins was banned and they introduced disposable dishes…

Thanks to that what used to be a scout camp (and please note: idea of Scout camp is that Scouts are doing everything themselves) become a huge logistic organisation. Full lorry loads were arriving, destroying the forrest and often having problems related to the off-road driving and then bunch of hired guys were appointed to unload the lorries and set up the camp. Then the kitchen and hospital was set up. A small campsite was created for all staff (nurses, doctors, lifeguards, kitchen staff, delivery driver and their families as noone wanted to work for us unless we were taking their families on board for free) and then, when everything was ready, the kids were to arrive. They had to live in boring group of tents set up in the middle of forrest (as they weren’t even allowed to place their traditional totems in front of their tents, as that was a risk that someone can hurt themselves when running) and they weren’t allowed to do nothing. I could not even sent them to the wood for some games, as I wasn’t allowed to let them run arround unattended, especialy at days when lorries were coming to empty portable toilet, making complete mess of half of the camp and annoying noise. Also, it’s worth to note, that portable toilets instead of being hiden somewhere back in the wood, were to be placed in the centre of the camp to manage easy access for lorries. The constant noise was also coming from electric generator, as due to health and safety rules, we were no longer allowed to keep the fresh food in the purpose built cellars, and also due to lack of cheap labour of bad-behaving scouts :grimacing: we had to rent the potato peeling machines, dishwashers and all other things…

As a result you landed in the middle of nothing having bunch of kids to entertain, and you had nothing to keep them busy, as nothing was allowed due to H&S reasons and you could keep them busy for three weeks giving them lectures in history of scouting or asking them to count the cones which were falling from the trees (causing another H&S hazard, strangely not spotted by the specialists!). You could not make a sport events as well, as there were no suitable sports ground available… Only taste of real scouting was the guard team and kids were doing everything to let them guard the camp during the night… But that was also becoming an issue, as a sleep depravation and that kids are left alone unattended…

As a result, I quit.

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This one is briliant!!! I never knew that driving a forklift can be so danger!!! :smiley: :smiley:

In German, but worth looking, the picture says it all

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Santa:
My pet hate is FLT drivers beeping when the go through a door. If you are working anywhere near the the constant beeps soon fade into the background noise and serve no purpose. If you are trying to rest nearby they just keep you awake.

As someone who drives a FLT on a daily basis round the warehouse the beep isn’t for people walking as much it is for other trucks. Had been in and seen a few near misses with other trucks when neither of us beeped!

And about 2 years ago a H&S consultant thought it bad that the 3 roller doors left open was a hazzard because drivers etc could just walk in. Answer - keep the doors down. No joke. Close all doors with 6 diesel FLT’s on constant. It lasted all of about an hour but noone would think tell him he’s a ■■■■ so we’re not paying!!

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Mr B:
I had to laugh yesterday. I was collecting from the loading bay area of a morrisons store. Along comes morrisons guy in full H&S gear. opens up locked contain and puts some fireworksin his trollet, locks container and pushes his trolley past a guy cutting a metal pipe with an angle grinder, sparks flying everywhere! sadly we wasn’t treated to an early firework display :slight_smile:

Haha, like councils at public owned stock car racing tracks (the few that are left in the country). All petrol must be stored in marked metal cans - sensible enough yes? No smoking ANYWHERE in pit area at any time due to flamable liquids. You you can cut, weld, whatever but dont dare light a ■■■!!

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orys:
Heh… Poor kids of nowadays…

Yeah the poor kids. :laughing: :wink: Money for the poor anyone? :open_mouth: :grimacing:

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Wheel Nut:
As kids we had a rope swing over a railway line, and a trolley made out of an old pram, some rope, a few nails and a big coach bolt for the front axle steering, add to this mix the railway bridge near the rope swing and my brother and I were popular kids, especially as we could nick pop from my dads pub too.

It was always fun to be on the rope swing as the train went past, especially if you timed it right, you could push yourself off the side of the carriages. I was born at a young age, and we were teenagers when we left the pub.

I don’t remember any accidents where we lost friends hitting a train and occasionally when the trolley crashed, we just laughed, it was a valuable lesson in slowing down for corners and the need for brakes. It taught us some common sense, where are people supposed to get that from these days, hopefully not a health and safety symposium.

One thing I did learn and we were warned about was that pop rots your teeth :laughing:

Funny that… :slight_smile: :slight_smile: :slight_smile:

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Carryfast:

Wheel Nut:
As kids we had a rope swing over a railway line, and a trolley made out of an old pram, some rope, a few nails and a big coach bolt for the front axle steering, add to this mix the railway bridge near the rope swing and my brother and I were popular kids, especially as we could nick pop from my dads pub too.

It was always fun to be on the rope swing as the train went past, especially if you timed it right, you could push yourself off the side of the carriages. I was born at a young age, and we were teenagers when we left the pub.

I don’t remember any accidents where we lost friends hitting a train and occasionally when the trolley crashed, we just laughed, it was a valuable lesson in slowing down for corners and the need for brakes. It taught us some common sense, where are people supposed to get that from these days, hopefully not a health and safety symposium.

One thing I did learn and we were warned about was that pop rots your teeth :laughing:

You obviously never timed the rope swing wrong then wheel nut.There would have been a big difference between pushing yourself of of the side of the moving train doing 125 mph than trying to get out of it’s way in time.But at least the driver might have seen you in time to stop if you’d been wearing a hi viz jacket. :laughing: :laughing:

Just come across this in my quest for a old bus story.

The trains were unlikely to have been doing 125mph as they were driven by ste’am :laughing:

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Wheel Nut:
The trains were unlikely to have been doing 125mph as they were driven by ste’am :laughing:

This British loco clocked up 126 mph in 1938:

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Morrisons employ a man dressed in a hi-viz to collect supermarket trolleys from the same car-park that a woman carrying a child keeps her elder offspring under control with threats of no sweets, she isn’t wearing a hi viz, neither are the kids.

While I was fueling up, the cashier had to put on a luminous vest, to change the till roll in the pump, even the Group 4 money van driver wears hi viz, In my local supermarket, children are not allowed in the wine section, but they can get crisps from the shelf opposite, :unamused:

We will end up drowning in a luminous glow, it wouldn’t surprise me if the earths core temperature is rising because of hi-viz. forget global warming, think power saving, 24 hour lighting with no power stations :laughing:

It is all ■■■■■■■■
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Whilst most h&s seems ridiculous, wearing a hv when collecting trolleys, changing till pump rolls is a good idea as is protects people who do these jobs day to day from ■■■■■■■■ ragging round these car parks who would normally knock said people over and get away with their excuse. If people wear their hv no, it won’t stop ■■■■■ running them over but it will stop the law being on ■■■■■ side…

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I’m new to hgv but not to h&s. I too felt a huge gruge against the h&s people until i decided to take on the h&s role at work (purely for my fellow drivers) its only then i found out the benefits of good h&s for commerades.

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Dazzlerx:
Morrisons employ a man dressed in a hi-viz to collect supermarket trolleys from the same car-park that a woman carrying a child keeps her elder offspring under control with threats of no sweets, she isn’t wearing a hi viz, neither are the kids.

While I was fueling up, the cashier had to put on a luminous vest, to change the till roll in the pump, even the Group 4 money van driver wears hi viz, In my local supermarket, children are not allowed in the wine section, but they can get crisps from the shelf opposite, :unamused:

We will end up drowning in a luminous glow, it wouldn’t surprise me if the earths core temperature is rising because of hi-viz. forget global warming, think power saving, 24 hour lighting with no power stations :laughing:

It is all ■■■■■■■■

Whilst most h&s seems ridiculous, wearing a hv when collecting trolleys, changing till pump rolls is a good idea as is protects people who do these jobs day to day from [zb] ragging round these car parks who would normally knock said people over and get away with their excuse. If people wear their hv no, it won’t stop [zb] running them over but it will stop the law being on [zb] side…
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Bulshine. Hi vis doesn’t protect people. The proliferation of hi vis over the years merely renders the wearer invisibe. It’s a proven fact that once the human eye/brain gets used to seeing something often then it disrgards it. Before H&S ruined our lives the only people you ever came across wearing hi vis were traffic cops, everybody saw them and everybody reacted. Not any more.

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remember, that you do not have to wear safety boots, uniform, hv vest- human rights. But people employed by companies have to advise you to when entering their space…isn’t it better tho, to wear correct gear on site, so that when, heaven forbid, you do have an accident you can claim everything due to you and your family?..? If you are in situ where you crush your toes on site and can’t drive for 2 years and it isn’t your fault isn’t it worth wearing those ■■■■ boots so you will get your money?

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Whilst most h&s seems ridiculous, wearing a hv when collecting trolleys, changing till pump rolls is a good idea as is protects people who do these jobs day to day from [zb] ragging round these car parks who would normally knock said people over and get away with their excuse. If people wear their hv no, it won’t stop [zb] running them over but it will stop the law being on [zb] side…
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Bulshine. Hi vis doesn’t protect people. The proliferation of hi vis over the years merely renders the wearer invisibe. It’s a proven fact that once the human eye/brain gets used to seeing something often then it disrgards it. Before H&S ruined our lives the only people you ever came across wearing hi vis were traffic cops, everybody saw them and everybody reacted. Not any more
I’m not saying itr will protect, what i’m saying is if you don’t wear it the ■■■■■■■■ will give you ■■■■ all once they know you wasn’t wearing your correct safety gear.

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Dazzlerx:
Whilst most h&s seems ridiculous, wearing a hv when collecting trolleys, changing till pump rolls is a good idea as is protects people who do these jobs day to day from [zb] ragging round these car parks who would normally knock said people over and get away with their excuse. If people wear their hv no, it won’t stop [zb] running them over but it will stop the law being on [zb] side…

Bulshine. Hi vis doesn’t protect people. The proliferation of hi vis over the years merely renders the wearer invisibe. It’s a proven fact that once the human eye/brain gets used to seeing something often then it disrgards it. Before H&S ruined our lives the only people you ever came across wearing hi vis were traffic cops, everybody saw them and everybody reacted. Not any more
I’m not saying itr will protect, what i’m saying is if you don’t wear it the [zb] will give you [zb] all once they know you wasn’t wearing your correct safety gear.
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Yes you are.

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orys:

Wheel Nut:
The trains were unlikely to have been doing 125mph as they were driven by ste’am :laughing:

This British loco clocked up 126 mph in 1938:

That is faster than Carryfast in his 8 wheeler Foden and 2 drawbar trailers will get across Egypt :laughing:

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Wheel Nut:

orys:

Wheel Nut:
The trains were unlikely to have been doing 125mph as they were driven by ste’am :laughing:

This British loco clocked up 126 mph in 1938:

That is faster than Carryfast in his 8 wheeler Foden and 2 drawbar trailers will get across Egypt :laughing:

But did’nt it run a big end bearing long before it even reached Edinburgh from London ? and if they had’nt slowed the thing down in time it probably would have broke the con rod and de railed the train :laughing: :laughing: and it is’nt that fast now because they won’t let it go over 60 mph probably because of that dodgy bearing lube system (bloke with an oily rag and an oil can :laughing: ).

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Wheel Nut:
I mentioned the Corus safety rules where drivers are not allowed to climb on their own trailer, however they want a clean trailer bed which has to be swept in a layby outside the gate, 12 pieces of dunnage and 10 pieces of kraft cardboard between the coils, the coils have then to be figure of eight strapped according to their site rules. On the way out of the factory, a random search is carried out by a security guard who climbs in and counts the coils & straps :open_mouth:

Health and Safety, it’s not for our benefit.

Corus can be a bit OTT, however they have good reason, they have had at least 2 deaths (1 here and 1 in Australia I think) where the steel has been knocked of the bed by an unloading FLT and the guy squashed!

they have also had some serious injuries with drivers being knocked off or falling from trailers.

In fact they now use gantry’s for access.

I went to the Local H&S Group breifing at their conference centre, lets just say some of the stuff they showed would make you think twice :open_mouth:

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mikeyb:

Wheel Nut:
I mentioned the Corus safety rules where drivers are not allowed to climb on their own trailer, however they want a clean trailer bed which has to be swept in a layby outside the gate, 12 pieces of dunnage and 10 pieces of kraft cardboard between the coils, the coils have then to be figure of eight strapped according to their site rules. On the way out of the factory, a random search is carried out by a security guard who climbs in and counts the coils & straps :open_mouth:

Health and Safety, it’s not for our benefit.

Corus can be a bit OTT, however they have good reason, they have had at least 2 deaths (1 here and 1 in Australia I think) where the steel has been knocked of the bed by an unloading FLT and the guy squashed!

In how many years and how many movements?

they have also had some serious injuries with drivers being knocked off or falling from trailers.

As above, the plant I was talking of, probably load 300 trucks every day

In fact they now use gantry’s for access.

Not for loading they dont, drivers are not allowed on the trailer full stop, they have to stand at the side close to where the forktruck or overhead crane is working to insert packaging and dunnage

I went to the Local H&S Group breifing at their conference centre, lets just say some of the stuff they showed would make you think twice :open_mouth:

Any one who loads in a steelworks should think twice

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mikeyb:

Wheel Nut:
I mentioned the Corus safety rules where drivers are not allowed to climb on their own trailer, however they want a clean trailer bed which has to be swept in a layby outside the gate, 12 pieces of dunnage and 10 pieces of kraft cardboard between the coils, the coils have then to be figure of eight strapped according to their site rules. On the way out of the factory, a random search is carried out by a security guard who climbs in and counts the coils & straps :open_mouth:

Health and Safety, it’s not for our benefit.

Corus can be a bit OTT, however they have good reason, they have had at least 2 deaths (1 here and 1 in Australia I think) where the steel has been knocked of the bed by an unloading FLT and the guy squashed!

they have also had some serious injuries with drivers being knocked off or falling from trailers.

In fact they now use gantry’s for access.

I went to the Local H&S Group breifing at their conference centre, lets just say some of the stuff they showed would make you think twice :open_mouth:

There’s always been horror stories about steel haulage for years involving those big heavy rolls of the stuff.It’s obvious that any type of job involving those types of weights and handling is always going to be risky but I’ve never had to carry those only the reinforced concrete type of steel rods in bundles where I had an argument with the guvnor about using ropes and straps on them when I wanted to use chains.Can’t really see how strapping those heavy coils would stop them shifting if they wanted to start moving around ■■.

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If H.and S . was around afew hundred years ago Leonardo. would have painted the floor of the Cistien Chapel