Hiya “adr” I’ve popped up again mate ! 
Look,I fully understand and agree with your opinion and explanation about R&S in to-days “transport” industry and that a return to the old ways (R&S) will not,and cannot,happen, period.However,when examples of the craft of S&R appear on the TN threads,and comments are usually asked for, well then I and others from yesteryears industry will oblige.I was very fortunate that as a teenager I was priviledged to have been “thouroughly” taught the craft of S&R by Eric Postlethwaite the driver of of one of Brady’s Octopus 8wheelers,nothing less than immaculate was acceptable to “Possy” wether it was rain,hail or shine, and once he finally allowed me,his trailer mate,to work the n/s of the outfit without supervision I thought it was great,but then after we’d finished Possy would stand at the back corner of the trailer and cast his eye down hitches and if one,just one 
,was a little bit higher or lower than the others it was " rough job that Den" Possy was a fanatic,but it sure stood me in good stead for my future years in the job,but I do understand that many,many thousands of drivers neither recieved proper training or were bothered about doing the job properly for any number of reasons.I was fortunate that at Bewick Transport we were able to attract and keep hold of great drivers and shunters who maintained the same high standards as I was taught,we did have our share of drivers who were excellent at everything else but S&R wasn’t their strongest area shall we say,but much of this failure on their part was mitigated by pulling trailers that the shunters had loaded 
We did,suprisingly,have a handful of drivers who would occaisionally loosen all the ropes and ties of a shunted trailer and re-do the job even in the bloody rain,now that used to be going a bit too far,but that was how fanatical some of our lads were Cheers Bewick.
Oh! and that little Ford D500 with all the ■■■■■■■■ on it is definitely not my idea of how a motor should look,and wheres the front cross on the load,unless it’s just loaded with m/t cardboard boxes. 
Bewick.
Dennis
Somebody would have been proud of that little Ford, it might have been their stepping stone onto working with you and your expert staff.
Keep them pictures coming it reminds us of days gone by.
Bassman
run out of rope dennis , boss was too tight to buy any more !! anon ( derbys )
Bassman:
Dennis
Somebody would have been proud of that little Ford, it might have been their stepping stone onto working with you and your expert staff.Keep them pictures coming it reminds us of days gone by.
Bassman
That was why I put that pic on, it is a good example of the type of wagon you started on!
A 1968 shot,21 year old “Big wheeler”,now do I look like I had time to adorn my “little” motor with all the “■■■■■■■■”,I was too busy flying up and down to London day and night and if the motor was parked up I was usually in “kip” for a little while,sorry if I’m going to draw some flak,but fit a radio,two fog/spots and a decent reverse light and I draw the line at that,oh! and keep the motor reasonably clean (not pristine!)inside and out and check the oil and water levels every day,and kick the tyres a couple of times a day.Then make the bugger work up and down that road 
Cheers Dennis.
The good old days Dennis, When we could earn a few bob Eh, Regards Larry.
Lawrence Dunbar:
The good old days Dennis, When we could earn a few bob Eh, Regards Larry.
Well Larry lets say I was trying “very hard” at that time to earn a few bob,and managed to as well eh! Cheers Dennis.
Bewick:
Lawrence Dunbar:
The good old days Dennis, When we could earn a few bob Eh, Regards Larry.Well Larry lets say I was trying “very hard” at that time to earn a few bob,and managed to as well eh! Cheers Dennis.
I will certainly drink to that Dennnis, Regards Larry.
Bewick:
A 1968 shot,21 year old “Big wheeler”,now do I look like I had time to adorn my “little” motor with all the “■■■■■■■■”,I was too busy flying up and down to London day and night and if the motor was parked up I was usually in “kip” for a little while,sorry if I’m going to draw some flak,but fit a radio,two fog/spots and a decent reverse light and I draw the line at that,oh! and keep the motor reasonably clean (not pristine!)inside and out and check the oil and water levels every day,and kick the tyres a couple of times a day.Then make the bugger work up and down that road
So many firms that grew into major players started with a 4-wheeler, & so many ran lots of 4 & 6 wheelers up & down the UK, & clearly made money, no doubt like yourself through lots of hard work & a little canny-ness along the way! When/why did running these types of wagons on General become un-profitable? Or was it just that as firms like yourself grew then artics just made you more money, because I know you continued to run rigids but lots just seemed to go to artics & drop the rigids. Regards Chris
Well in my case it was customers requirements, It was a case of go with the flow, Or look for work elsewhere, Regards Larry.
Have to agree with Larry- you had to grow with your customers, or your customers went elsewhere. It was all a part of building up a reputation for good and reliable service which, believe it or not, was worth something in those days. Nowadays, customers are so mesmerised by their accountants that they will drop a decent haulier in favour of one who will do the job for a penny a day less.
Retired Old ■■■■:
Have to agree with Larry- you had to grow with your customers, or your customers went elsewhere. It was all a part of building up a reputation for good and reliable service which, believe it or not, was worth something in those days. Nowadays, customers are so mesmerised by their accountants that they will drop a decent haulier in favour of one who will do the job for a penny a day less.
I agree , & Then they end up in the tom ■■■, Im being polite here of course, But It happens all the time, I call the Knob Heads If this saying is allowed on this thread, Regards Larry.
Lawrence Dunbar:
Retired Old ■■■■:
Have to agree with Larry- you had to grow with your customers, or your customers went elsewhere. It was all a part of building up a reputation for good and reliable service which, believe it or not, was worth something in those days. Nowadays, customers are so mesmerised by their accountants that they will drop a decent haulier in favour of one who will do the job for a penny a day less.I agree , & Then they end up in the tom ■■■, Im being polite here of course, But It happens all the time, I call the Knob Heads If this saying is allowed on this thread, Regards Larry.
Yes, & I bet some customers had the nerve, when they realised the service was crap from their new Haulier, to come back to you but expect you to do it for the new reduced rate .Wonder what you said then (mind your language 
). Thanks, Regards Chris.
If I repeated the script on here, I’d have moderators racing to beat me up!
Sufficient to say, the decent hauliers would have got themselves fixed up with a new customer to replace the merchant banker 
A lot going on there!
Nice sleeper conversion ,looks like the sort of load that I get all bits and horrible to sheet up and then when I’ve done someone comes out and says ooh and there’s just these as well!!!why do I never get any nice square Bewick type loads ?
Dan Punchard:
Nice sleeper conversion ,looks like the sort of load that I get all bits and horrible to sheet up and then when I’ve done someone comes out and says ooh and there’s just these as well!!!why do I never get any nice square Bewick type loads ?
I was thinking along similar lines, maybe multi-pick-up & that’s the way the cards fell
Dan Punchard:
Nice sleeper conversion ,looks like the sort of load that I get all bits and horrible to sheet up and then when I’ve done someone comes out and says ooh and there’s just these as well!!!why do I never get any nice square Bewick type loads ?
Because they know that you can cope with it Dan, you must realise by now that there is nothing easy transport wise in Derbyshire! 
Never done any proper sheeting and roping myself, only with tipper’s of course, but when you did seven loads of dust up to Hulland Products on a wet day the sheet trebbled in weight, the shovel was well polished up and you went home looking like a Homepride flour grader… Happy days!
Pete.
I rarely sheet up anymore pete at one time I used to sheet up for theft prevention reasons I parked on a car park when I lived in wirksworth with 40 new belle mixers on many nights in the past rather than going to Bonsall ,some times I’d load at 3 or 4 customers in an afternoon some loads had to be taken back to the yard and unloaded as some customers were competing with each other and didnt like you working for them let alone there goods on the same vehicle some times I’d be cheeky and just sheet them up.