Coffeeholic:
PinkLadyTrucker:
Everyone in the UK needs to now stand up and be counted, and NOT vote in these assesI’ve been doing that in every election since the one in 1979, not a single vote for any of ‘these asses’ and it hasn’t made a scrap of difference.
Bad governments are elected by well meaning people who don’t bother to vote.
Well, obviously not Russia, Iran, etc. etc. 
del949:
so what purpose would a “none of the above” serve
What is a better idea is to able to cast a vote against a candidate.
So you would stand against something but for nothing? 
I have NEVER voted. Makes no odds who gets in. They are all a shower of KOONTZ.
Carryfast:
pavaroti:
It may come as a shock to some of the above posters but, life is all about choices…If that was the case we could run trucks and cars on red diesel if we choose to and have the right to refuse to recognise the authority of any zb government such as this one and the decisions taken by it without first having been given the choice of having a referendum on those decisions and a choice concerning the right of those zb’s to govern us without our consent by way of their right to govern being subject to continous review over the term of a government.
It’s a conservative outlook on life that has served me well. Self responsibility. Rather than blame others for your problems look to your self.
Nice to see you and switch off teaming up on a thread. 
We, as in the “royal we” have no one but ourselves to blame when the usual turnout in a general election is about 50% of those eligible to vote and the winning party gets about 15% or so of the turnout so it’s always the “tail wagging the dog”,ridiculous is’nt it.IMO we should adopt the same voting practice as the Aussies i.e.everyone has to vote by law !! then you would see our politicians take notice.Just imagine all those moaners and groaners who say it’s not worth voting under the current system but once they had to ,by law,imagine the the outcome then !! I would hazzard a guess that our whole political landscape would change with an extra 20 odd million,hitherto non voters,piling in to cast their vote and definitely not for the either of to-days main Parties!!! Yes IMHO everyone should excercise their right to vote.Bewick.
We’ve sold 2 old cars and bought an almost new one and no longer bother driving to shopping centres, instead get what we can in local shopping centre and the rest online. Local buses stop yards from our house, we don’t eat out anymore and I rarely buy alcohol. Neither of us smoke and I can get to work for free (cycle) so government have to do something drastic to really sting us. However, if government needs our money so much, why are they wasting millions babysitting Afghanistan? I heard today that the new Air Despatch hanger at Raf Brize is costing £17m and how much are we wasting on the jubilee and the olympics nobody wants?
Muckaway:
We’ve sold 2 old cars and bought an almost new one and no longer bother driving to shopping centres, instead get what we can in local shopping centre and the rest online. Local buses stop yards from our house, we don’t eat out anymore and I rarely buy alcohol. Neither of us smoke and I can get to work for free (cycle) so government have to do something drastic to really sting us. However, if government needs our money so much, why are they wasting millions babysitting Afghanistan? I heard today that the new Air Despatch hanger at Raf Brize is costing £17m and how much are we wasting on the jubilee and the olympics nobody wants?
“I rarely buy alchohol but I still drink it” I bet you ponce it off of your mates Nathan !!! Anon 1.
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
pavaroti:
It may come as a shock to some of the above posters but, life is all about choices…If that was the case we could run trucks and cars on red diesel if we choose to and have the right to refuse to recognise the authority of any zb government such as this one and the decisions taken by it without first having been given the choice of having a referendum on those decisions and a choice concerning the right of those zb’s to govern us without our consent by way of their right to govern being subject to continous review over the term of a government.
Apparently the Chancellor has also announced a tax increase on full stops.
Did you see that nice hat the Queen wore yesterday? 
Bewick:
IMO we should adopt the same voting practice as the Aussies i.e.everyone has to vote by law !! then you would see our politicians take notice.Just imagine all those moaners and groaners who say it’s not worth voting under the current system but once they had to ,by law,imagine the the outcome then !! I would hazzard a guess that our whole political landscape would change with an extra 20 odd million,hitherto non voters,piling in to cast their vote and definitely not for the either of to-days main Parties!!!
Which is why none of the above will never happen. Much better to get 16 year olds to vote . . . they are the future.
Stan
So you would stand against something but for nothing?
Don’t understand this !
I’ll try and make my point a bit clearer maybe that will help.
If on the ballot paper you could vote for someone or could vote against that person, then he would actually finish up with the total votes cast for him (say 100)…minus the ones against.(say 30) so his total would be 70 .
If however he counted plus votes as 100 and against votes as 101 he would score nothing.
Thus, if more people voted against him than for him there is no way he could be elected.
if all the candidates on the ballot paper scored minus points at the final countup…no-one would be elected.
Maybe then they would have to listen to the people.
del949:
So you would stand against something but for nothing?
Don’t understand this !
I’ll try and make my point a bit clearer maybe that will help.If on the ballot paper you could vote for someone or could vote against that person, then he would actually finish up with the total votes cast for him (say 100)…minus the ones against.(say 30) so his total would be 70 .
If however he counted plus votes as 100 and against votes as 101 he would score nothing.
Thus, if more people voted against him than for him there is no way he could be elected.
if all the candidates on the ballot paper scored minus points at the final countup…no-one would be elected.
Maybe then they would have to listen to the people.
Nope! Not gonna work. You need to be voting for something/an idea. Not just against something with no idea.
as the rules stand now you can only vote FOR someone, there is no reason why the rules cannot be changed.
There are scenarios where you are allowed to vote for or against something/someone .
same principle
del949:
as the rules stand now you can only vote FOR someone, there is no reason why the rules cannot be changed.
There are scenarios where you are allowed to vote for or against something/someone .
same principle
I cant see them changing the rules .
“the serfs might take it upon themselves to say they don’t like us”
unthinkable
del949:
as the rules stand now you can only vote FOR someone, there is no reason why the rules cannot be changed.
There are scenarios where you are allowed to vote for or against something/someone .
same principle
Why not just change the rules to a requirement to gain a majority of those ‘entitled to vote’ not just those who ‘actually voted’.The same should apply in the case of referenda in which case we wouldn’t have stayed in the EEC and then maybe Shore and his supporters would have beaten Callaghan for the Labour leadership.
But democracy without the ability of referenda on all decisions taken by government and the ability to vote out governments at any time with no set electoral term isn’t democracy it’s just dictatorship.
pavaroti:
del949:
So you would stand against something but for nothing?
Don’t understand this !
I’ll try and make my point a bit clearer maybe that will help.If on the ballot paper you could vote for someone or could vote against that person, then he would actually finish up with the total votes cast for him (say 100)…minus the ones against.(say 30) so his total would be 70 .
If however he counted plus votes as 100 and against votes as 101 he would score nothing.
Thus, if more people voted against him than for him there is no way he could be elected.
if all the candidates on the ballot paper scored minus points at the final countup…no-one would be elected.
Maybe then they would have to listen to the people.Nope! Not gonna work. You need to be voting for something/an idea.
How can it be democratic if you can’t vote for or vote against by abstaining .
pavaroti:
Carryfast:
pavaroti:
It may come as a shock to some of the above posters but, life is all about choices…If that was the case we could run trucks and cars on red diesel if we choose to and have the right to refuse to recognise the authority of any zb government such as this one and the decisions taken by it without first having been given the choice of having a referendum on those decisions and a choice concerning the right of those zb’s to govern us without our consent by way of their right to govern being subject to continous review over the term of a government.
It’s a conservative outlook on life that has served me well. Self responsibility.
I’m all for self responsibility like getting rid of the social security system,state pension and the NHS and all the other bs socialist ideas.But the conservatives don’t seem so keen when it comes to paying back all the taxation and national insurance contributions owed for the then non existent services and increasing the minimum wage to take into account the costs of private income protection,retirement pensions and health insurance policies.Nor do they seem all that keen on introducing the protectionist trade and immigration policies needed to sustain those minimum wage rates in the economy. 
Has anybody noticed whether the traffic has got any lighter since the start of this " downturn"■■
Maybe in some places yes but nearly everywhere else no,so whilst the car population keeps growing and hauliers are keep taking the rise in costs and the downturn in rates then I personally don’t think fuel will ever come down.
Why should he cut fuel prices?,most people are still putting it in their vehicles.
Who ever is in power,fuel will still go up,I reckon we will be paying £2 a litre by Christmas and the government will blame Iran,Iraq whoever they can blame at the time,ie not thir fault.
Poor old Greggs - A business success story if ever there was one, and now Osbourne has kicked it well and truly into touch, so badly that it may well now go under.
Who’s going to be jumping at paying 20% premium prices for pasties & pies from now on?
