MCOL. Last time I used it the cost was £50. You obviously get this back from the ‘other side’ when you win, which you 100% will.
So it costs you nothing at all to recover the money which you are legally owed. It’s also nice to show what a disgusting ‘company’ this place is…let’s stick together & help each other out as proper drivers should, it’s nice to see. Name & shame the rubbish at EVERY opportunity.
Grumpy_old_trucker:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/60f00f41e90e0764c7950c5e/Mr_D_Jordan-Gathercole_v_George_Allinson_Transport_Ltd_2500112-2021_Reasons.pdf They don’t learn do they!
That judgement was only 1 month ago!
This needs more publicity, drivers need to be warned about these cowboys.
Yes,. It’s not the first time…and they were found to be in the wrong last time as well! Still doing it. So, no, it’s not a rogue one off, decision by an admin. It looks like it’s company policy from the top. Unbelievable.
Juddian:
Is this a Gerald Ratner moment, or is someone from admin or middle management who made this foolish descision about to find themselves having a short unpleasant conversation with the MD first thing Monday?
This is going to be costly.The publicity alone will make people think twice about joining them.The face ache page has been taken down .
So they include nights out in weekly pay and tax them…
There’s some drivers there could claim that back from HMRC, as night-out is tax free…
eagerbeaver:
…let’s stick together & help each other out as proper drivers should, it’s nice to see. Name & shame the rubbish at EVERY opportunity.
Agreed EB; and a great idea, but… TN will remove anything of this nature that is _un_substantiated.
Therefore, the likes of GoT’s great find are perfectly acceptable to TN because they’re a quotable/linkable public record.
We have to be very careful of general naming and shaming because of the laws of defamation, which can then come back to bite people (both TN and the poster) in the ■■■ if we’re not careful. I know this because I’ve had to deal with a few threats of legal action from various solicitors.
The best plan with anything that’s unsubstantiated is to stick it anywhere other than TN, because certain other sites don’t seem to mind.
The PM system comes in handy here, which saves publicly viewable unsubstantiated content in TN posts from being removed. 
Having read through this on Faceache, there is something telling me that things aren’t as they first appear.
Its the third time the driver has been back there so i’m guessing the driver knew what the job entailed, then walked because he didn’t like the job!!
Other things aren’t adding up but can’t put my finger on them.
Remember there are three sides to every story.
Ben9:
Having read through this on Faceache, there is something telling me that things aren’t as they first appear.
Its the third time the driver has been back there so i’m guessing the driver knew what the job entailed, then walked because he didn’t like the job!!
Other things aren’t adding up but can’t put my finger on them.Remember there are three sides to every story.
Good point and the company or any individual always have the right to reply.
Juddian:
Ben9:
Having read through this on Faceache, there is something telling me that things aren’t as they first appear.
Its the third time the driver has been back there so i’m guessing the driver knew what the job entailed, then walked because he didn’t like the job!!
Other things aren’t adding up but can’t put my finger on them.Remember there are three sides to every story.
Good point and the company or any individual always have the right to reply.
That’s very true Juddian.
That partly why we don’t allow unsubstantiated stuff on TN.
The company doesn’t necessarily know they’re getting stick on here; the stick may true, partly true, or complete ■■■■■■■■. It would then become ‘trial by TN’ with either side telling porkies to suit, possibly without any proof. Long ago, TN’s upper management told us that they won’t allow that kind of thing on TN. My version of that is that TN isn’t a mediation service.
Many companies have a junior pointy shoe person, part of whose duties are to trawl through social media (including TNs oldest posts 
) to look for anything unprovable and negative being said about the company so that they can report their ‘find’ to a senior pointy shoe person. I’m then contacted either by a senior pointy shoe person, or their lawyers, ‘requesting’ removal, so I have to act.
dieseldave:
The company doesn’t necessarily know they’re getting stick on here
They will when they come in on Monday because I sent them a link to this thread.
msgyorkie:
Very illegal. Check your notice period when resigning - Citizens Advice
If you leave within 1 month of employment then you do not have to give notice. My union solicitors would be having a field day if this happened to me.
But as clearly stated in that link: “If you’ve been in your job for less than a month, you don’t have to give notice unless the contract or terms and conditions require you to.”
I’m interested to see how this story develops.
I’m pretty certain I know how it will end though.
Harry Monk:
dieseldave:
The company doesn’t necessarily know they’re getting stick on hereThey will when they come in on Monday because I sent them a link to this thread.
top man H ,like yer style…
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So they include nights out in weekly pay and tax them…
There’s some drivers there could claim that back from HMRC, as night-out is tax free…
There’s nothing in HMRC’s rules (or in law) to say that NO money must be paid tax-free. Put simply, there is a standard route by which NO money can be paid free of tax and NI provided some basic rules are complied with, thus saving both the employer and the employee a significant amount of aggro. It’s always open for an employee to submit documentary evidence to HMRC in support of his claim and to get back the tax paid on his legitimate expenses. Of course, that’s going to require detailed receipts etc for each and every expense incurred…
I was careful to include “allegedly” in the OP as I wouldn’t want to outright point the finger at the company.
Unless they tricked the “leaver” with a contractual clause with such a draconian penalty for “leaving without working notice” - this would appear to be an illegal deduction.
But there again, in my mind - an Umbrella fee is also an illegal deduction, so what do I know?
The solution to all this tosh - is for drivers to start writing their own tickets, with the employer choosing or not to “pick up their contract” - like America has it…
Even now, with agency rates going over £20ph in so many places - the very yards forking out that kind of money (and the agency commission on top, don’t forget…) would clearly rather stick pins in their own eyes rather than offer PAYE full time contracts with an hourly rate somewhere in bewtween last year’s rate, and the agency fee they are currently having to fork out…
A firm cannot give itself permission in law to do an illegal thing, any more than a criminal can petition to be hanged at Tyburn, because they don’t like the taste of prison food, the screws, or the smell of their bedclothes.
I think it is fair to say along with the other posted replies - “Allisions - should be avoided like the plague by agency and jobseeker alike.”
That they’ve paid tax and NI on it - isn’t so bad, if it then leads to a tax rebate next year though…
The figure of £600 was a nice round number that left driver less than a tenner, rather than more than a tenner, or less than zero - which would have raised eyebrows at HMRC…
If this firm are fiddling PAYE deductions as well though, - the future don’t look rosy for them, now I would imagine a swift investigation is on the cards for this outfit… 
As for “Laws of defamation” - it it is worth pointing out that any plaintiff that brings a case for Libel/Defamation - the burden of proof is upon THEM.
Think back to Neil Hamilton MP when Al Fayad said “he was on the take, and had already taken numerous bungs from him personally”… Hamilton was no longer a millionaire on paper by the time THAT case faceplanted in court, although he did transfer loads of assets to his missus to put it out of reach of the Bankruptcy receivers…
Any worker should be able to leave a new job within the probationary period - without penalty, in any case.
It all smacks of firms trying to be as spiteful as possible to those who leave them in the lurch - don’t it?
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They will when they come in on Monday because I sent them a link to this thread.
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dieseldave:
The company doesn’t necessarily know they’re getting stick on hereThey will when they come in on Monday because I sent them a link to this thread.
Nice one Harry cheers Ray
Roymondo:
msgyorkie:
Very illegal. Check your notice period when resigning - Citizens Advice
If you leave within 1 month of employment then you do not have to give notice. My union solicitors would be having a field day if this happened to me.But as clearly stated in that link: “If you’ve been in your job for less than a month, you don’t have to give notice unless the contract or terms and conditions require you to.”
Yeh, but as I said earlier - if a contract has written in it “A previously illegal transaction anywhere else is now legal because we said so in this contract” - then it’s a duff contract, and any decent soliciter - would tear it to shreds in court…
The Gov website - has managed to aid and abet illegal transactions - by excusing them in their too-loose wording of their own guidance on their own website! Sheesh!
Winseer:
Roymondo:
msgyorkie:
Very illegal. Check your notice period when resigning - Citizens Advice
If you leave within 1 month of employment then you do not have to give notice. My union solicitors would be having a field day if this happened to me.But as clearly stated in that link: “If you’ve been in your job for less than a month, you don’t have to give notice unless the contract or terms and conditions require you to.”
Yeh, but as I said earlier - if a contract has written in it “A previously illegal transaction anywhere else is now legal because we said so in this contract” - then it’s a duff contract, and any decent soliciter - would tear it to shreds in court…
The Gov website - has managed to aid and abet illegal transactions - by excusing them in their too-loose wording of their own guidance on their own website! Sheesh!
That quote isn’t from a Government website…
ACAS have pretty much the same advice on theirs as well.