I would love to know how people justify that Hoyer are best trained , when BP have full in house trying from ADR to rollover/ skid pan training , when no other haulier including Hoyer do it. BP even train Monarch and its 21 shifts minimum but takes as long as it takes.
Yes, I would want to know it too, why there is this perception that Hoyer has the best training in the industry.
What makes it so special.
Do Hoyer drivers have less incidents such as crossovers?
Virtually every other fuel haulier prefers drivers with experience, only Hoyer accepts only those without any experience at all.
Maybe, just maybe it’s the Hoyer Mangement who say they have the best training in the industry.
They certainly have enough trainers.
Just a thought.
anon84679660:
Thank you guys for all your replies, just got back from work, so couldn’t reply earlier.
A lot to think about and lot of info to digest, all very good and wise advice.
You always hear fuel tanker job is the best paid job out there, but I also have heard of many chaps that done it, left the industry and don’t want to go back, happy to do other types of haulage jobs, so figured out it’s not as rosy us some paint it.
A lot of responsibility for a bit more money, and from what I hear if you make a mistake you are out.
Not many companies out there that would still keep you if you did a crossover.
You might be doing perfectly fine for many years, but one bad day and you are out.
Not a job for everybody that’s for sure
you seem to be focused on crossovers, ok, over 20 years ,never had one, never been close, if you go for It you will get into a habit, (a good one}. of talking to yourself , ie , compartment 3, into tank 6, unleaded/unleaded. compartment 1, into tank 2, diesel/diesel. etc. there is an awful lot you have to remember, but if you follow PROCEDURES, you should not make a mistake, but if you do make a mistake, own up to it . my company would not nessisarily sack you for a crossover, but they would if you lied about the event, we are all human and make mistakes, but lie your out, good luck.
gingo:
anon84679660:
Thank you guys for all your replies, just got back from work, so couldn’t reply earlier.
A lot to think about and lot of info to digest, all very good and wise advice.
You always hear fuel tanker job is the best paid job out there, but I also have heard of many chaps that done it, left the industry and don’t want to go back, happy to do other types of haulage jobs, so figured out it’s not as rosy us some paint it.
A lot of responsibility for a bit more money, and from what I hear if you make a mistake you are out.
Not many companies out there that would still keep you if you did a crossover.
You might be doing perfectly fine for many years, but one bad day and you are out.
Not a job for everybody that’s for sureyou seem to be focused on crossovers, ok, over 20 years ,never had one, never been close, if you go for It you will get into a habit, (a good one}. of talking to yourself , ie , compartment 3, into tank 6, unleaded/unleaded. compartment 1, into tank 2, diesel/diesel. etc. there is an awful lot you have to remember, but if you follow PROCEDURES, you should not make a mistake, but if you do make a mistake, own up to it . my company would not nessisarily sack you for a crossover, but they would if you lied about the event, we are all human and make mistakes, but lie your out, good luck.
Possible crossover is the only thing that’s stopping me from applying.
I know in transport, drivers rush very often, you only need to take a look at all these fuel tanker drivers rushing around A406 and M25, as if they were being paid per mile.
That’s why I started this thread, trying to figure out how you already employed in the industry, make sure you don’t do crossovers.
I’ve noticed all these discharge points (pipes) at a fuel station are painted in various colours (yellow, green, etc), so I’ve been wandering if the same thing is on the tanker, I thought to make sure you don’t put wrong fuel into the wrong hole, it would be good idea, for example to have, lets say, diesel pumped from tanker’s green pipe into fuel stations green pipe, petrol from yellow into yellow, etc, you know what I mean, that would be an easy way of making sure all was connected properly, as delivery pipe runs from green to green, from yellow to yellow, from blue to blue, maybe it is actually done like this, I don’t know it, but I think it would make sense, or at least have some coloured markers that same colour marker fixed to a tanker’s exit pipe matches marker’s colour of pipes (tank’s) receiving a given product, something visualy easy to determine by a quick glance that the right product from the tanker’s right pot is going to be flowing into the right customer’s tank.
Maybe it is already done like this, I don’t know.
A crossover is manageable if like previous responders have said you put your hands up, it can be downgraded , uplifted etc. Other issues such as a frustrated delivery or Vapour recovery issues are far more serious in terms of risk. Have you a company in mind ask them about the training syllabus , but if your worrying now it may be its not the job for you but with the right guy training you , you will be fine, good luck .
I’ve been on rigid truck for commercial and residential deliveries for 18 months now. Staying on rigids as I don’t want to work weekends/nights etc. This pays £6 more ph than than previous Rdc work. Artics pay a few pounds more. I am personally doing it for 5 years to get rid of my mortgage, then can’t wait to get back on fridge/rcd work.
It’s all about what you want. Training is very good. But you are always thinking. It’s a tough job.
I’ve only been driving trucks for 3 years. I miss my old job, but money is main reason as it would take me 7 more yrs to clear my mortgage with old job. Good luck.
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Muckaway:
Something that I’ve always wondered, is why do tanker drivers wear hard hats when discharging fuel? If anything goes dangerously wrong, dressing like the village people wont make much difference.
And why do they need to cone off the area around the tanker? Is a fuel tanker too hard to spot or are they using super cones that repel an explosion?
Lastly, does someone from the shop have to watch the delivery? I used to work at local garage years ago and a member of the shop staff had to be with the driver during unloading, but I can’t recall seeing it done recently.
My dad used to work in a petrol station and they used to dip a stick in to measure the amount in, the dip it in again after tipping to make sure the right amount came out. Both of them up on the catwalk on top of the trailer. Nowadays they close the station (we were in the pub opposite. Same petrol station just 30+ years later).
I would now leave this thread alone if I was you.to much reading and worrying may put you off.
there’s a fair amount of good advice and information given here as a starter pack.
I used to be a driver trainer on petrol tankers and know you will be shown correct procedure etc, also the trainer should be able to see if your capable or he will not release you.
it’s tough getting the first step but do able.
good luck with your decision and remember only you can cause yourself to rush, the delivery or loading takes as long as it takes, double checking all the time takes seconds but is worth the effort.
My dad used to work in a petrol station and they used to dip a stick in to measure the amount in, the dip it in again after tipping to make sure the right amount came out. Both of them up on the catwalk on top of the trailer. Nowadays they close the station (we were in the pub opposite. Same petrol station just 30+ years later).
That’s what it was like when I drove petrol tankers in London in the 80’s. It’s amazing how much things have changed now.
These dipsticks sometimes got mixed up or pushed down harder than they should be.lol. Anyone that drove them then will know what I mean!
Up on the catwalk with no rails.(also when loading) Seen a few drivers step back at the back of the tank and fall, luckily never hurting themselves badly.
To the OP…No offence but you sound like you lack confidence. Believe you me it is far harder now to make mistakes as everything is clearly marked etc. As long as your brain is functioning you will have no problem.As with everything take your time and THINK.
We sometimes had six pots with six different products and only my tiny little brain to remember what was where!
@Albion1971
I wouldn’t call it lack of confidence, it’s more about being curious and trying to figure out what chance there is that a driver can make mistake and what can be done to make sure he doesn’t.
If I’ve gone through the training and was afraid of making mistakes, then yes it would be lack of confidence, but I’ve never done it and thinking of doing it, but after hearing from time to time about crossovers and drivers being sacked for it, I’ve started to wonder what if it’s worth the stress.
I remember some time ago I read on here about a driver that worked for Suttons , did crossover one day and got sacked, after so many years of incident free service to this company, then a few weeks ago I noticed a driver on facebook saying he is having a disciplinary and most likely will get a sack having done a crossover, then there is this saying amongst fuel tanker drivers, “fuel tanker driver is only as good as his last delivery, what he did well before that doesn’t count”
I have found a few interesting videos on YT, but there are from the US or Canada unfortunately, nothing from UK, or the wider EU:
youtube.com/watch?v=slYLK_jb3P0
youtube.com/watch?v=n_kXf2OR9Ms
This guy is pretty good, would like to know if he’s delivering only one time of fuel or more variety:
youtube.com/watch?v=B8sV_TSmg28
Thanks a lot everybody for replying and trying to give advice, all taken on board
Ok my apologies but that is how it came across to me. I am sure you will be fine after training. You will get plenty of practice so do not worry. They will not let you loose until you are ready.
As I said do not let anyone rush you. Take your time and you will be fine. The job is maybe not as good as when I did it but still 10 times better than a lot of others especially if you can work for a decent company.
Spoke to a Hoyer driver not so long ago and he was more than happy especially with the pay.
anon84679660:
5. Why do people say that Hoyer has the best training in the industry, what do they do better than other fuel hauliers do?
Hoyer run Bulk Liquid transport cheaper than many inhouse operations. A full comparison of training now would be very difficult, as Hoyer do infact replace these previous inhouse operations. And when i last worked alongside them, Hoyer drivers where on “achievment bonuses”, or such like.
This is me delivering about 15years ago. This is where concentrating is important. The chap is the garage manager and I most likely told him to keep out of the way and not distract me. My firm later limited each tanker to only two hoses as a lot of drivers had crossovers doing this. I was a contractor and every job was timed to the minute and no time was allowed for being in a queue at the loading terminal so this was one way of making time up.
When I started on petrol deliveries in 1977 the job was more or less 6 -2 and 2 -10 shifts with overtime on weekends. When I finnished seven years ago the lorry was on the road 24 hours a day and weekends with only two drivers and the shifts were now called early and late. On afternoon shift I would have to wait for a phone call from the morning driver saying what time he would be back at the depot for me to come in. And I would do the same for him at 2 or 3 oclock the next morning.
Glad to be retired now but I still enjoy thinking back to the 60,s driving clapped out lorries and the atmosphere of the road then.
I’ve noticed all these discharge points (pipes) at a fuel station are painted in various colours (yellow, green, etc), so I’ve been wandering if the same thing is on the tanker, I thought to make sure you don’t put wrong fuel into the wrong hole, it would be good idea, for example to have, lets say, diesel pumped from tanker’s green pipe into fuel stations green pipe, petrol from yellow into yellow, etc, you know what I mean, that would be an easy way of making sure all was connected properly, as delivery pipe runs from green to green, from yellow to yellow, from blue to blue, maybe it is actually done like this, I don’t know it, but I think it would make sense, or at least have some coloured markers that same colour marker fixed to a tanker’s exit pipe matches marker’s colour of pipes (tank’s) receiving a given product, something visualy easy to determine by a quick glance that the right product from the tanker’s right pot is going to be flowing into the right customer’s tank.
Maybe it is already done like this, I don’t know.
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as you say SOME garages have coloured pipes, but ALL garages have numbers and grades. its not about yellow to yellow etc. its about compartment number to storage tank number ,and diesel to diesel. unleaded to unleaded. in a garage the storage tanks never change ,so for example if the garage has 6 tanks, and tanks 1,2 and 3 are diesel ok paint them yellow. and 4,5 and 6 are unleaded paint them green. but a road tanker with 6 compartments does not always have the same product in the same compartment. so they could not be permenantly coloured. the road tanker has 6 compartments numbered 1 to 6. that never changes, but whats in the compartment does, you could have diesel in comps 1,2,3 and petrol 4,5,6. on one load, but 1,2,3 with petrol, and 4,5,6. with diesel the next load, each compartment has a grade label next to it, when you offload at a garage you set the grade label to empty, when you start to load you set the grade label for each compartment to the product being loaded into each comp. that’s why its comp number to tank number. and grade to grade. PS some tankers have less or more than 6 comps.
crackin pic numbum. the way it used to be. haha. or dieseldave, as I just spotted repost.
when I left about 5 year ago. it was 2 15ft hoses and 1 20 ft hose, but only 2 bellends, so you could only use 2 hoses to tip, if you were caught with 3 bellends it was a problem,
bellends are the coupling that goes on to the tanker before the hose is connected, as numbum knows.
I started petrol deliverys about 1985, when you could split compartments, but that was later stopped,
sorry for the ressurection . but what was the outcome ?. did you go with the petrol tankers, ??? anon84679660
Hi Gingo
No, I’ve decided not to, for two main reasons:
- Shift work, I’m not too keen on working alternating days, then nights, and back to days shifts
- I’ve heard Hoyer deduct money, usually about an hour’s pay, when driver gets stuck in traffic, which to me sounds unfair.
There is a reason why Hoyer have been looking, for months, or actually years now, for drivers for all their depots around the country, and still can’t fill these positions.
I wouldn’t mind tramping on fuel tankers, but as far as I know, only Turners drivers tramp, which means they work day time and sleep night time, but Turners pay carp money, so not for me.
wise decission.
shifts are ■■■■ . i done 5 days dayshift mon ill fri, 4 am start,
next wk 5 nights 4 pm start, no weekends, but now its 5 over 7,
so you get 2 days off during the week some wks, what good is that
if yer wife’s workin and kids are at school,
and yes the runs are timed, and they expect you to do them in that time.
so if you get held up in traffic etc they dont pay the first hour of a delay,
so you could be working an hour every day for nothing, i got out in 2011.
while it was still a reasonably good job. but it is not the job it once was,
there are better jobs out there, good luck.
Yes, these days, from what I can, every fuel tankers haullier is looking for drivers, which says something, considering everybody still thinks it is such a good job, but from my research, I can clearly see it is not anymore.
It’s always good to spend some time researching your next idea, move, ask tons of questions, as it is a lot of hassle quiting your job, getting a job somewhere else, and then finding out it is not what you thought it would be, and then, what going back to your previous place? Very, often, if you had a decent gig in the first place, your position has been filled, and there are no positions available anymore, so you , then, have no other choice, but to go and work for some cowboy operator, for some time, until you find another decent job, which might not be that easy.
I am still open to discussion about advantages of getting on fuel tankers, I am very easy to convince to someone elses arguments, but they need to make sense, but so far, from what I’ve seen, read, researched, it’s not worth working on fuel tankers anymore.
There are other jobs, no adr type of jobs that pay decent money, maybe not as much as on fuel tankers, but you are not being watched and timed all the time, and treated as you need to be thankful you’ve been given a chance to work for them.
The same you can apply to many other, supposedly, well paying adr jobs, such as, for example, gases, co2 jobs.
I’ve also been researching , for the last 5 years, moving to Canada, but still, from what I watch on yt and read, I can’t convince myself, to make a move, and I’m open to arguments on why it could be such a good idea to make the move.