DEANB:
Jesus i never realised there were so many types of Foden ! I asked coomsey if he had a list to identify them
on the Paul Gee thread,but after reading VALKYRIE’s extensive post about them that wont be happening !
Brilliant post VALKYRIE, but thats to complicated for me to try and identify each S type Foden !
All I can say Dean
When you go to the well of knowledge drink long and deep. Compared to VALKYRIE most of us had a little sip. Cheers Paul
Impressed I am 
Spud1960:
coomsey:
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No ideaPeople often ask on here “What went wrong with British Truck manufacturing?” …
There’s one thing for sure Spud it weren’t for the lack of models on Fodens part
rigsby:
coomsey:
SCANTASTIC:
That S39 must be one of the best looking Fodens ever built imoFor me too
Me too Coomsey , it fitted round you when you got in , everything in easy reach the only drawback was the upward vision from the side windows if you were on the tall side . It rally looked the part , Dave
My ‘problem’ with all the Foden’s of that period was that, being rather long of leg, I had to bend my left leg between the steering wheel and gear lever as the wheel was very low mounted! Rather uncomfortable. With the S80 and the better S83 models the steering column was adjustable so the problem was gone. The later 3000/4000 models had a column that could be raised up or down as well as tilted, perfect for me! However one OD had two 3000 series over several years and once complained to me about the steering wheel being too low, he didn’t know about the adjustable column despite owning and driving them for several years!
Pete.
TROOPER 8011:
Foden - (126MRF):0
Model: don’t know
Who would know? VALKYRIE n a fella in spares possibly lol
A couple of Foden adverts that may help with VALKYRIE’s excellent post.
Click on pages twice to magnify for reading.
windrush:
rigsby:
coomsey:
SCANTASTIC:
That S39 must be one of the best looking Fodens ever built imoFor me too
Me too Coomsey , it fitted round you when you got in , everything in easy reach the only drawback was the upward vision from the side windows if you were on the tall side . It rally looked the part , Dave
My ‘problem’ with all the Foden’s of that period was that, being rather long of leg, I had to bend my left leg between the steering wheel and gear lever as the wheel was very low mounted! Rather uncomfortable. With the S80 and the better S83 models the steering column was adjustable so the problem was gone. The later 3000/4000 models had a column that could be raised up or down as well as tilted, perfect for me! However one OD had two 3000 series over several years and once complained to me about the steering wheel being too low, he didn’t know about the adjustable column despite owning and driving them for several years!
Pete.
Dave loved the look of S39 weren’t so happy inside side view like you said n lack of foot room. Like Pete preferred S80/3 inside but thought they were pig ugly ain’t that always the way
TROOPER 8011:
Foden - (126MRF):0
Model: don’t know
My guess would be Foden FG
coomsey:
TROOPER 8011:
Foden - (126MRF):0
Model: don’t knowWho would know? VALKYRIE n a fella in spares possibly lol
ERF-Continental:
TROOPER 8011:
Foden - (126MRF):0
Model: don’t knowMy guess would be Foden FG
TruckNetUK.Old Time Lorries.Foden Model Range.VALKYRIE.Thursday,27th July,2017.
Coomsey.You made me laugh with your ‘…n a fella in spares possibly’
Anyway,this lorry is a:-
Foden S18 FGTU6/25,S18-V-Front-Cabbed,Gardner 6LW-K 112 Diesel-Engined,4x2-8 Tractive Unit-Articulated Lowloader Lorry,126 MRF,Staffordshire,September,1956.Pinterest photograph:-
pinterest.co.uk/pin/251709066652442303/
Although in this photograph it’s connected up to a Logging,or General,or Specialist Haulage Pole Dolly Semi-Trailer.4x2-2.
Preserved by Danny Dovey of Dovey’s Haulage,Totton,Southampton.
Danny Dovey also owns this other preserved Foden lorry:-
Foden S18 FG6/15,S18-V-Front-Cabbed,Gardner 6LW-K 112 Diesel-Engined,Flat-Bodied,Rigid 8x2 or 8x4 Lorry,NGX 198,London,January,1953.Flickr photograph:-
farm9.static.flickr.com/8504/844 … cd32e8.jpg
Danny drove this beautiful Foden FG6/15 at vintage vehicle rallies,and it usually pulled a Flat-Bodied 4-Wheeler Drawbar Trailer - I don’t know if it still does.I well remember seeing it on it’s first HCVS Trans Pennine Run Manchester To Harrogate Historic Commercial Vehicle Rally in …I cannot remember the year…around 1993? 
I was on The Stray side of Knaresborough Road,Harrogate,photographing the historic,lorries,motorcoaches,buses,etc,on this road as they were heading for The Oatlands Stray where these motor vehicles are exhibited. This Foden,NGX 198,appeared and it’s driver - Danny Dovey himself? - asked me for directions to The Oatlands Stray 
The Foden FG tractive unit,126 MRF,also took part in this magnificent and unforgettable rally.
Speaking of the Historic Commercial Vehicle Society - HCVS - Trans Pennine Run Rally… the 49th one is on Sunday,6th August,2017,The Oatlands Stray,Harrogate It’ll be the HCVS Trans Pennine Run Golden Anniversary 50th Rally in 2018
VALKYRIE
coomsey:
TROOPER 8011:
Foden - (126MRF):0
Model: don’t knowWho would know? VALKYRIE n a fella in spares possibly lol
Joking apart TROOPER I’d hazard a guess it’s a S18 FGTU6 S18- V - FRONT CABBED GARDNER 6 LW-K 112 DIESEL. THE SEATS WERE IN LEATHER TAKEN OFF AN ARGENTINIAN COW CALLED MARGERITA, VALKYRIE WILL CONFIRM THIS I’M SURE 
VALKYRIE:
coomsey:
TROOPER 8011:
Foden - (126MRF):0
Model: don’t knowWho would know? VALKYRIE n a fella in spares possibly lol
ERF-Continental:
TROOPER 8011:
Foden - (126MRF):0
Model: don’t knowMy guess would be Foden FG
TruckNetUK.Old Time Lorries.Foden Model Range.VALKYRIE.Thursday,27th July,2017.
Coomsey.You made me laugh with your ‘…n a fella in spares possibly’
Anyway,this lorry is a:-
Foden S18 FGTU6/25,S18-V-Front-Cabbed,Gardner 6LW-K 112 Diesel-Engined,4x2-8 Tractive Unit-Articulated Lowloader Lorry,126 MRF,Staffordshire,September,1956.Pinterest photograph:-
pinterest.co.uk/pin/251709066652442303/
Although in this photograph it’s connected up to a Logging,or General,or Specialist Haulage Pole Dolly Semi-Trailer.4x2-2.
Preserved by Danny Dovey of Dovey’s Haulage,Totton,Southampton.
Danny Dovey also owns this other preserved Foden lorry:-
Foden S18 FG6/15,S18-V-Front-Cabbed,Gardner 6LW-K 112 Diesel-Engined,Flat-Bodied,Rigid 8x2 or 8x4 Lorry,NGX 198,London,January,1953.Flickr photograph:-
farm9.static.flickr.com/8504/844 … cd32e8.jpg
Danny drove this beautiful Foden FG6/15 at vintage vehicle rallies,and it usually pulled a Flat-Bodied 4-Wheeler Drawbar Trailer - I don’t know if it still does.I well remember seeing it on it’s first HCVS Trans Pennine Run Manchester To Harrogate Historic Commercial Vehicle Rally in …I cannot remember the year…around 1993?
Speaking of the Historic Commercial Vehicle Society - HCVS - Trans Pennine Run Rally…
VALKYRIE
Thanks again VALKYRIE I now know what a S18 looks like. While I’ve got your attention was there not an half cab version of the S40 not disputing your most excellent list just seem to think I saw some.
N being cheeky can you explain, without getting to techno on me, why the 12sp box was so convoluted when it was made from scratch why not more like Eaton twin splitter. Cheers Paul
coomsey:
VALKYRIE:
coomsey:
TROOPER 8011:
Foden - (126MRF):0
Model: don’t knowWho would know? VALKYRIE n a fella in spares possibly lol
ERF-Continental:
TROOPER 8011:
Foden - (126MRF):0
Model: don’t knowMy guess would be Foden FG
TruckNetUK.Old Time Lorries.Foden Model Range.VALKYRIE.Thursday,27th July,2017.
Coomsey.You made me laugh with your ‘…n a fella in spares possibly’
Anyway,this lorry is a:-
Foden S18 FGTU6/25,S18-V-Front-Cabbed,Gardner 6LW-K 112 Diesel-Engined,4x2-8 Tractive Unit-Articulated Lowloader Lorry,126 MRF,Staffordshire,September,1956.Pinterest photograph:-
pinterest.co.uk/pin/251709066652442303/
Although in this photograph it’s connected up to a Logging,or General,or Specialist Haulage Pole Dolly Semi-Trailer.4x2-2.
Preserved by Danny Dovey of Dovey’s Haulage,Totton,Southampton.
Danny Dovey also owns this other preserved Foden lorry:-
Foden S18 FG6/15,S18-V-Front-Cabbed,Gardner 6LW-K 112 Diesel-Engined,Flat-Bodied,Rigid 8x2 or 8x4 Lorry,NGX 198,London,January,1953.Flickr photograph:-
farm9.static.flickr.com/8504/844 … cd32e8.jpg
Danny drove this beautiful Foden FG6/15 at vintage vehicle rallies,and it usually pulled a Flat-Bodied 4-Wheeler Drawbar Trailer - I don’t know if it still does.I well remember seeing it on it’s first HCVS Trans Pennine Run Manchester To Harrogate Historic Commercial Vehicle Rally in …I cannot remember the year…around 1993?
Speaking of the Historic Commercial Vehicle Society - HCVS - Trans Pennine Run Rally…
VALKYRIE
Thanks again VALKYRIE I now know what a S18 looks like. While I’ve got your attention was there not an half cab version of the S40 not disputing your most excellent list just seem to think I saw some.
N being cheeky can you explain, without getting to techno on me, why the 12sp box was so convoluted when it was made from scratch why not more like Eaton twin splitter. Cheers Paul
TruckNetUK.Old Time Lorries.Foden Model Range.Foden Gearboxes,Etc.VALKYRIE.Friday,28th July,2017.
Hello Paul-Coomsey As far as I am aware there was no half-cab versions of the S40 and S41 cabs.
Foden offered quite a variety of Foden designed and built gearboxes:-
4-Speed.
5-Speed.
7-Speed.
8-Speed.
9-Speed.
12-Speed.
The Foden 12-Speed Epicyclic Pre-Selective High,Medium-Direct & Low Ratio Range Gearbox,introduced in 1952,was an adaptation of
the Foden 4-Speed Gearbox:A 3-speed auxiliary epicyclic gearbox was added on to the rear of the 4-speed gearbox,which then became a 12-speed
gearbox with high,medium-direct and low ratios - a second gear lever controlled these high,medium and low ratios.
There was also an 8-speed version of the above gearbox,introduced in 1950,which had a 2-speed auxiliary epicyclic gearbox.These gearboxes were
better suited to the high reving and superb Foden two stroke diesel engines,which were superior to the Gardner engines in terms of power,weight,
speed,and in certain cases,fuel consumption! 
Facts
There were also:-
Foden 6DP 12-Speed Overdrive Gearbox,600 lbs-ft torque capacity.
Foden 5DP 12-Speed Overdrive Gearbox,700 lbs-ft torque capacity.Introduced in 1970.
Foden 12-Speed Double Underdrive Gearbox.
Foden 8-Speed Overdrive Gearbox.
Foden 8-Speed Overdrive Range Shift Gearbox.750 lbs-ft torque capacity.Introduced in 1972.Intended to replace the 12-speed gearbox.
Foden-Brockhouse Torque Convertor for use with Foden gearboxes and engines in the 270-350 BHP range.1972.
Foden 9-Speed Overdrive Ratio Range Change Gearbox,which had a switch on the gear lever to change some of the gears.1000 lbs-ft torque capacity.
This 9-speed gearbox was designed to make changing gears easier compared to the 12-speed gearbox.Introduced in 1971.
Foden offered the Fuller RTO9509A Gearbox as an option in the Universal lorry range,introduced in 1974.
Foden made the Fuller RTO9509A Gearbox the standard gearbox in the new Fleetmaster model introduced in November 1977.
In October 1979 Foden closed their gearbox manufacturing factory,and fitted Eaton-Fuller gearboxes in their motor vehicle range.
The Eaton Twin Splitter 12-Speed Gearbox,and you will know this already,is a 4-speed gearbox with high,medium and low ratios for each of these
four gears,which makes 12 forward gears altogether,plus a reverse gear which also has high,medium and low ratios. The ratios are operated by
a switch on the gear lever.This is a purpose-built integral dedicated gearbox,which is why it’s supposedly ‘less convoluted’ ? than the Foden
12-speed gearbox …most if not all manual gearboxes are convoluted
All I can say is changing gears in heavy lorries-motor trucks is long-winded! …and there is no wonder why there is automatic transmissions and 700 BHP and even more powerful engines!
Mind you,I recently bought a Claud Butler - The Rolls-Royce Of Bicycles - Regent Touring Bicycle,and this has 24-gears! But some Claud
Butler bicycles,and other bicycle marques,are equipped with 27 gears! And I seem to have come across one bicycle that has 30 gears!
All of these bicycles have the cheap,cost-cutting and primitive Derailleur Gear System and chains Bicycles ought to be fitted with
proper synchromesh 24-30-speed gearboxes with shaft drive! Seriously.
I am seriously thinking about buying an Electric Bicycle Conversion Kit and converting my Claud Butler in to a 24-speed electric bicycle for pedal-assist cycling!
Back to Foden’s I have discovered yet another Foden cab! Well,rather I’ve known about this cab and the vehicles it’s fitted to for years,but
I didn’t know until now that it was assigned a cab designation of it’s own: S53…so this is the 49th Foden cab
Foden-Gloster Saro,S53-Cabbed,■■■■■■■ NHC250 Diesel-Engined,6x2 Twin Steer,38,000-Litres Aircraft Refueller Lorry-Motor Truck,which pulled
a Gloster Saro 37,000-Litres Tanker-Bodied 4-Wheeler Drawbar Trailer. The ■■■■■■■ engine drove through a Foden-Brockhouse torque convertor
and 8-speed gearbox;the S53 full-width cab used some parts from the half-cab S51 dump truck cab.These were low profile long wheelbase vehicles.
Five of these Foden-Gloster Saro Aeroplane Refuellers were to supplied to Air Sonatrach in Algeria in 1975,and another one was sold to Mobil Oil also in 1975 for refuelling aeroplanes at Gatwick Airport,London. Unfortunately,I cannot find a photograph of one of these Foden’s on the Internet at present
Finally,I must stress that I do not know everything about Foden motor vehicles,I’m still learning and my knowledge has been obtained from books,
magazines,photographs,research,etc
I’ve bought a load of photographs of motor vehicles over the years,including photographs of Foden lorries,motorcoaches,buses,etc.Do I know the
model-chassis designations of every single one of those Foden lorries in these photographs? No I do not,because you have to know the engines
that they are fitted with,the gross vehicle weight or gross train weight,the prefix letter of the model designation in some cases,and so on.
I will explain more in a later post if I’ve got time
VALKYRIE
I thought the half cab was a figment of my imagination.
If I was starting with a 4sp box n adding a box to the back end to triple the amount of gears I would be thinking along the lines of, 1/4 low 1/4direct 1/4 high or eaton twin splitter. What I can’t get my head around is why have a low gear that is higher than an higher gear if that makes sense. With a clean sheet of paper why? To my very limited mech. knowledge I would have altered a cog or two to make it “normal”.VALKYRIE you say most lorry boxes difficult but I don’t know anybody who jumped into a Foden 12sp n sussed it. Possibly the Scammel gated box would have you scratching your head but most you soon got the hang of them.
You may not know everything about Fodens but you know 90% more than me but I aspire.
Best of luck with your bike I’m more for engine assisted
TruckNetUK,Old Time Lorries,Foden Model Range.VALKYRIE slight corrections. Friday,28th July,2017.
VALKYRIE:
This list was compiled by a friend of mine in 2012 for this website,who is now an ex-TruckNetUK member
QUOTE:-
Foden Cabs.Foden S90 Universal day,Universal sleeper,Super Haulmaster day,Civilian version,1976-1979.
Foden S90 Military version,1974-1983.
Foden S93,1978-1979.Haulmaster tractive unit.
The 1977 (introduced November 1977) to 1979 Haulmaster tractive unit was fitted with the S90 cab.
I personally have never come across an S93, my conjecture would be it could be the works sleeper variant fitted to the Super Haulmaster?.
Foden’s of this period carried the cab type on the chassis plate, it was also recorded on the vehicle build sheet.
VALKYRIE:
Don’t mix up the Foden Sabrina with the ERF SF SabrinaTOTALLY SEPERATE FODEN CAB DESIGINATIONS AND TOTALLY SEPERATE FODEN MOTOR VEHICLE CHASSIS-MODEL DESIGNATIONS.
Now here’s an old chestnut from VALKYRIE once again!.
There has been much opinion expressed previously on the pages of TNUK about this, much of it from very well respected and experienced road haulage people. Our much missed friend ‘Saviem’ was one of many to say they had never heard the nickname ‘Sabrina’ applied to this series of Foden cabs. Joining the chorus both on and off these pages were well known restorers, fleet operator’s, spares specialists, works personnel - I even spotted an editorial in the Foden Society magazine last year expressing consternation that the Foden Wikipedia page had been ‘modified’ by a person or persons unknown (!) to include this reference, when it was never a nickname anybody had ever heard of!. In VALKYRIE’s defence, it MAY have been a local nickname applied to these cabs by certain Amusement Caterer families in the North of England, but it certainly was not in common Road Haulage usage.
VALKYRIE:
Foden offered quite a variety of Foden designed and built gearboxes:-8-Speed.
12-Speed.
It should be noted that these are essentially the same gearbox.
The shift pattern changed to make the 12-speed an 8-speed, but there were still 12 actual ratios available to the driver as before.
Some specific gear ratios did change in these gearboxes through production of course.
VALKYRIE:
Foden made the Fuller RTO9509A Gearbox the standard gearbox in the new Fleetmaster model introduced in November 1977.
It was actually the RT9509A ‘direct top’ gearbox that was standard in the Fleetmaster at introduction, replaced by the RT9509C (slightly changed ratios) in 1980.
The RTO9509A ‘overdrive’ gearbox became standard from 1981 with the lower (slower) geared axle. The axle remained a Rockwell R180.
VALKYRIE:
…superb Foden two stroke diesel engines,which were superior to the Gardner engines in terms of power,weight,
speed,and in certain cases,fuel consumption!
Reliability…?
…err No.
I can steer you in the direction of tipper operator’s who routinely replaced FD6 engines with Gardner 150/180’s at the time because the Foden engine could not cope with Derbyshire hills!. Fact
Sorry for the poor quality - pictures of photocopies- but herewith
some info out of the one and only Foden-bible to my opinion.
ERF:
TruckNetUK,Old Time Lorries,Foden Model Range.VALKYRIE slight corrections. Friday,28th July,2017.VALKYRIE:
This list was compiled by a friend of mine in 2012 for this website,who is now an ex-TruckNetUK memberQUOTE:-
Foden Cabs.Foden S90 Universal day,Universal sleeper,Super Haulmaster day,Civilian version,1976-1979.
Foden S90 Military version,1974-1983.
Foden S93,1978-1979.Haulmaster tractive unit.
The 1977 (introduced November 1977) to 1979 Haulmaster tractive unit was fitted with the S90 cab.
I personally have never come across an S93, my conjecture would be it could be the works sleeper variant fitted to the Super Haulmaster?.
Foden’s of this period carried the cab type on the chassis plate, it was also recorded on the vehicle build sheet.
I’ll have a go at making sense of this:
S90- early steel cab, as fitted to the Universal. Big round lamps, single 'screen.
S91- Super Haulmaster cab, according to this: picssr.com/photos/75262259@N03/p … 262259@N03
S93- early Haulmaster cab(?). Big round lamps, split 'screen. Replaced(?) by S10.
S95- Fleetmaster cab. Single 'screen, twin headlamps.
I reckon this was a rare Foden ?
IIRC the “8 speed” and “9 speed” Foden gearboxes were exactly as mentioned by ‘ERF’, the 12 speed box with all its internals still present. Apart from the gear lever and the range/splitter paddle attached to it the main noticeable difference from the driver’s point of view was the sticker illustrating the lever positions. There were tales in the Black Hand Gang that selecting one of the ‘missing’ ratios, I can’t recall whether it was 4th low or 1st high, put either the 'box or the standard Foden worm drive diff over its torque limit with the potential for expensive consequences.
The main failings of the box in whatever form were the range/splitter operating mechanism, the failure of the synchro cone in the epicyclic unit and the nut on the rear of the mainshaft working loose.The failure of the dowel pegs in the clutch brake were also a regular occurence which if left could write off the layshaft.
ERF:
TruckNetUK,Old Time Lorries,Foden Model Range.VALKYRIE slight corrections. Friday,28th July,2017.VALKYRIE:
This list was compiled by a friend of mine in 2012 for this website,who is now an ex-TruckNetUK memberQUOTE:-
Foden Cabs.Foden S90 Universal day,Universal sleeper,Super Haulmaster day,Civilian version,1976-1979.
Foden S90 Military version,1974-1983.
Foden S93,1978-1979.Haulmaster tractive unit.
The 1977 (introduced November 1977) to 1979 Haulmaster tractive unit was fitted with the S90 cab.
I personally have never come across an S93, my conjecture would be it could be the works sleeper variant fitted to the Super Haulmaster?.
Foden’s of this period carried the cab type on the chassis plate, it was also recorded on the vehicle build sheet.VALKYRIE:
Don’t mix up the Foden Sabrina with the ERF SF SabrinaTOTALLY SEPERATE FODEN CAB DESIGINATIONS AND TOTALLY SEPERATE FODEN MOTOR VEHICLE CHASSIS-MODEL DESIGNATIONS.
.
VALKYRIE:
Foden offered quite a variety of Foden designed and built gearboxes:-8-Speed.
12-Speed.It should be noted that these are essentially the same gearbox.
The shift pattern changed to make the 12-speed an 8-speed, but there were still 12 actual ratios available to the driver as before.
Some specific gear ratios did change in these gearboxes through production of course.VALKYRIE:
Foden made the Fuller RTO9509A Gearbox the standard gearbox in the new Fleetmaster model introduced in November 1977.It was actually the RT9509A ‘direct top’ gearbox that was standard in the Fleetmaster at introduction, replaced by the RT9509C (slightly changed ratios) in 1980.
The RTO9509A ‘overdrive’ gearbox became standard from 1981 with the lower (slower) geared axle. The axle remained a Rockwell R180.VALKYRIE:
…superb Foden two stroke diesel engines,which were superior to the Gardner engines in terms of power,weight,
speed,and in certain cases,fuel consumption!Reliability…?
…err No.
I can steer you in the direction of tipper operator’s who routinely replaced FD6 engines with Gardner 150/180’s at the time because the Foden engine could not cope with Derbyshire hills!.
TruckNetUK.Old Time Lorries.Foden Model Range.Foden S24-S39 Sabrina Cabs,Etc.VALKYRIE.Sunday,30th July,2017.Page 2.
Foden
Sabrina
#Foden
#Sabrina
Hello ERF Thanks for the information…as for your misinformation regarding the now relatively even more well known Foden S24-S39 Sabrina cabs,I’ll deal with this in the last part of this post
Foden Haulmaster S93 Day and Sleeper Cab.
Foden Two-Stroke Diesel Engines.
Of course Foden two stroke diesel engines were not as reliable as Gardner diesel engines - The Rolls-Royce Of Diesel Engines - what other engines
were? - ■■■■■■■■ Caterpillar? Detroit? Rolls-Royce? Leyland? AEC? Volvo? Scania?
From what I have gathered from Foden enthusiasts and Foden drivers is that if you treated the Foden two-stroke diesel engine right i.e. ,if I remember correctly, by running the engine for a couple of minutes before setting off,and doing likewise before turning off the engine,PLUS
driving the Foden two-stroke properly,these engines were generally reliable.
Probably these Derbyshire Foden two-stroke drivers didn’t adhere to the above routine and didn’t know how the hell to drive these high revving Foden two-strokes properly in the first place ? And things were compounded by the Foden 12-Speed Gearbox,because some drivers didn’t know how to operate it properly. Plus the drivers were more use to driving underpowered low revving four-stroke Gardner-engined Foden’s.
So when treated well and driven properly,Foden two-stroke diesel engines were generally reliable,and operators kept placing repeat orders
for Foden two-stroke diesel-engined Foden S18,Foden S20,Foden S21 Spaceship Sputnik and Foden S24-S39 Sabrina lorries
Foden two-stroke diesel-engned lorries,motorcoaches,buses and other vehicles were exported all over the world and were generally successful,
as were Foden two-stroke diesel marine and industrial engines And at least some export Foden two-stroke motor vehicles operated in far
more tougher conditions - mountainous roads,tropical conditions,unmade roads and God knows what else - than compared to Derbyshire hills
However,to be fair,some operators at home and overseas did experience problems with some Foden two-strokes - mainly overheating - probably
because at least some of the drivers didn’t know how to drive these Foden’s properly,and also because of natural mechanical failure that you also
get in other engines made by other manufacturers,including Gardner.Some operators in Australia operated Foden two strokes with success,while
other Australian operators,who ran lorries in tougher conditions,tried Foden two strokes without success and fitted ■■■■■■■ and Rolls-Royce diesel
engines instead.Again,at least some of this lack of success could have been caused by poor driving technique.
Yes,some operators did experience problems with their Foden two strokes,but most of them still kept on buying them ,because they were
generally reliable engines overall.
Pat Kennett,founding editor of TRUCK Magazine,writing in 1978,said of the British Military Foden two-stroke diesel marine engines that QUOTE
…they are still the only engines which will withstand the tremendous stresses set up when thrown to ‘full astern’ position from ‘full ahead’
in the event of an assault landing having to be abandoned at the last moment.UNQUOTE. Pat was referring to Foden two-stroke diesel marine
engined-Royal Marine assault crafts. The Queen and country depended on these engines and assault craft,and they had to be reliable
Foden S24 Sabrina,Foden S30 Sabrina,Foden S34 Sabrina,Foden S35 Sabrina,Foden S36 Sabrina,Foden S37 Sabrina,Foden S38 Sabrina,Foden S39 Sabrina Cabs.
Here are the objective facts
To start with,what you apparently do not realise is since I got involved with Foden S24-S39 Sabrina Cabs on this TrucknetUK Forum in 2012,five years have passed and it is now 2017.And,mainly because of the Internet,far,far many more people now know about the Foden S24-S39 Sabrina Cabs than was the case in 2012 And far more people - friends,relations,enthusiasts and other people - use the Foden S24-S39 Sabrina name when referring to these cabs
So with respect, your futile and wrong argument is obsolete and dead. As a matter of fact this argument put forward by Saviem and some other misguided people was already dead and wrong in 2012!
It was pointed out by TruckNetUK member Sepo in July 2012 that the Foden S24-S39 Sabrina name was regionally used by road haulage people in
the early 1970s - 47 years since! QV below. I pointed this out to Saviem,you and others in 2012 but you all chose to ignore it,probably because
you all knew that you hadn’t got a leg to stand on!
Lawrence Dunbar also said that the Foden S24-S39 Sabrina cabs were also nicknamed Cottage Loaf in the North East of the country.Did anyone
question this? I don’t think anybody did.I myself was broadminded enough to accept this nickname.
It also seems that ERF enthusiasts think they have a copyright on the Sabrina name - only they can use it.Wrong! Foden enthusiasts and other people are free to use the Sabrina name for whatever they like
The Ford Motor Company made the Mercury marque of car,but Ford didn’t stop a record company naming itself Mercury Records! And I’m sure that there are many more cases of names being duplicated by different parties and companies.
And then there is the case of the unenlightened,misguided and wrong lone editor,or whoever it was,who wrote an ill-informed editorial about the
Foden S24-S39 Sabrina name in Wikipedia in The Foden Society Magazine in 2016
The Foden S24-S39 Sabrina name reference in the Wikipedia Foden history article had been in that article for at least FOUR YEARS,so in that time loads of people would have read the article and became aware of the Foden S24-S39 Sabrina name! Including Foden enthusiasts
Thus the Foden editor,or whoever the person was,is talking a load of tripe and nonsense He is wrong. And he obviously hasn’t seen any of the many references to Foden S24-S39 Sabrina cabs on the Internet…he is completely out of touch and incorrect
I know for a fact that at least some Foden Society members and none members know about the Foden S24-S39 Sabrina name because I’ve mentioned this name to them! And so have some of my friends and relations - we and other people have also mentioned the name to general commercial vehicle enthusiasts,too
There is also a prominent member of the Yorkshire section of the Historic Commercial Vehicle Society who confirmed to me that the Foden S24-S39
Sabrina name has been in use by road haulage people and fairground people for decades. This has also been pointed out several times on the Internet and on TruckNetUK.My HCVS friend refuses to be a member of Internet forums because he will not put up with all the rubbish from certain
members I don’t blame him…
The incorrect Foden Society editorial,Saviem and other misguided and closed-minded critics remind me of this man:-
Benjamin Jowett 15 April 1817 – 1 October 1893) was renowned as an influential tutor and administrative reformer in the University of Oxford, a theologian and translator of Plato and Thucydides He was Master of Balliol College, Oxford.
A well-known Balliol rhyme about him runs:-
Here come I, my name is Jowett.
All there is to know I know it.
I am Master of this College,
What I don’t know isn’t knowledge!
The meaning of this rhyme is amusing,but realistically nobody can take it seriously because other people have knowledge
that Jowett does not have.
In other words,for example,I could say ‘The Beatles ? I’ve never heard of them.Therefore they do not and have never existed’.
What a misguided,wrong and closed-minded statement Millions of people (including me of course ) know that The Beatles existed and
were the biggest,greatest and best music group in the world in their time! Facts
So,bearing the above in mind,just because the incorrect Foden Society editorial,Saviem and other misguided and closed-minded critics have never
heard of the Foden Sabrina S24-S39 name they very wrongly and misguidedly think that nobody else has heard of this name This could be
regarded as being arrogant!
They then make wrong and ill-informed statements which show how unenlightened,closed-minded,biggoted and biased they are - they are wrong
and cannot be taken seriously.Facts. Another fact is that at least some of these people suffer from Cognitive Dissonance.
QUOTE VALKYRIE » Thu Sep 05, 2013 6:16 pm
TruckNetUK.Old Time Lorries.Old Foden Thread.Page 4.
The use of the Foden Sabrina name on the fairgrounds is wider than you think:I’ve heard Yorkshire,Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire showmen use the Foden Sabrina name.
The reason for the Foden Sabrina name:The front panel is rounded and projects out UNQUOTE.
The earliest reference to the Foden S24-S39 Sabrina name on TruckNetUK that I have come across so far goes back to Saturday,26th September,2009,
and it’s made by BonkeyDollocks,QV below.
But first Sepo :-
viewtopic.php?t=77943&start=540
Foden Thoughts.Page 19
Sepo » Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:12 pm
when growimg up this model was always remarked to as the Sabrina cab… ERF also used the name on one of there rigid models with a bonnet on.
Photograph of his father’s Foden S39 Sabrina 4AXB6/32 4x2 Articulated Lorry,ONE 347H,operated by Claribel Carriers,of Manchester :-
Sepo » Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:44 pm
QUOTE:-
Rigsby wrote:
that looks like an s39 to me dave , was it a bald bloke driving it ? sabrina cab was the s21 also called the mickey mouse . us old buggers remember these things . next time you see said bald bloke , give him my regards , cheers , Dave UNQUOTE.
I’ve had this conversation loads of times with different people over the years and I’m almost sure this must be a regional thing, but the S39 was refered to as I remember, yes its the bald 1 driving just headin south from Banbury on his way down to Didcot with a load of Shell on for Cannons… You keeping OK?
Foden S39 Sabrina Photograph.
I came across this post and photograph on TruckNetUK Old Time Lorries some time since.It provides more
evidence that people use the Foden S24-S39 Sabrina name
Eldon Hill Quarry.Third Post Down.Page 1.
BonkeyDollocks » Sat Sep 26, 2009 1:27 pm
QUOTE:-
No info on the Sabrina, but I have a few pics taken in the quarry around 1980 UNQUOTE.
Unfortunately,many if not all of BonkeyDollocks’photographs have been hit and blocked
by the iniquitous Photobucket ransom!
I copied this actual photograph of the above Foden Sabrina for myself,and here is my caption:-
Foden S39 Sabrina 8XB6/26-28,Tipper-Bodied,8x4 Lorry,MUP 217J.Eldon Hill Quarry,posted by BonkeyDollocks,Saturday,26-9-2009,Old Time Lorries,TruckNetUK.Poster refers to Foden as a Sabrina in EHQ Thread.
I myself have been hit with the iniquitous and vile Photobucket ransom,as have many other TruckNetUK members.
A Moderator sent a link to me on how to post photographs directly on to TruckNetUK - ERF-NGC-European also sent
the same link to me.
So I sign in to TruckNetUK,click on to the link,and I’m asked to sign on again,which is what I do.I then click on to
the link…and I’m asked to sign on yet again!!! It happens time and time again,going around in circles
and getting nowhere!
There must be a fault with this link!!!
1.So that is another TruckNetUK member - BonkeyDollocks - who refers to a Foden S39 lorry as a Sabrina.
And this post was made on Saturday,26th September,2009,nearly three years before some of my friends
and I became members of TruckNetUK in 2012.
There is possibly other - even older posts in some cases - that refer to the Foden S24-S39 Sabrina cab name
The Internet is breaking down the information barriers,I,my friends and other people keep saying this on the Internet and elsewhere.
and have been saying this true fact for years. Millions of facts have come to light on thousands of subjects on countless websites over the years.Including revelations about Foden vehicles,including their cabs such as the S24-S39 Sabrina,S21 Spaceship Sputnik,S29 Tropical,
S22 & S23 Tropical Spaceship Sputnik,pre-war & post-war S10,S60,S70,S10 of 1978 to 2001 and so on.
There are now many references on Foden S24-S39 Sabrina,S21 Spaceship Sputnik and other Foden cabs on the Internet - World Wide Web,
and these cabs are bound to become better known by millions of people in the future than what they are now
[zb]
anorak:ERF:
TruckNetUK,Old Time Lorries,Foden Model Range.VALKYRIE Foden Cabs,Etc. Friday,28th July,2017.VALKYRIE:
This list was compiled by a friend of mine in 2012 for this website,who is now an ex-TruckNetUK memberQUOTE:-
Foden Cabs.Foden S90 Universal day,Universal sleeper,Super Haulmaster day,Civilian version,1976-1979.
Foden S90 Military version,1974-1983.
Foden S93,1978-1979.Haulmaster tractive unit.
The 1977 (introduced November 1977) to 1979 Haulmaster tractive unit was fitted with the S90 cab.
I personally have never come across an S93, my conjecture would be it could be the works sleeper variant fitted to the Super Haulmaster?.
Foden’s of this period carried the cab type on the chassis plate, it was also recorded on the vehicle build sheet.I’ll have a go at making sense of this:
S90- early steel cab, as fitted to the Universal. Big round lamps, single 'screen.
S91- Super Haulmaster cab, according to this: picssr.com/photos/75262259@N03/p … 262259@N03
S93- early Haulmaster cab(?). Big round lamps, split 'screen. Replaced(?) by S10.
S95- Fleetmaster cab. Single 'screen, twin headlamps.
Hello [ZB]Anorak
S90 Universal Cab.Prototype had a single windscreen,11-inch headlamps and Foden kite badge,production version had split windscreen,twin headlamps,which was on a 6x4 chassis.The 8x4 had a single windscreen,11-inch headlamps a Foden block logo.In late 1977 the S90 was fitted
with a S10 radiator grille.
According to my information there is no such thing as a S91 Cab.The website shows a photograph
of a S90 Super Haulmaster 6x4 Tractive Unit.The Super Haulmaster export models were originally named Universal - it was re-named in 1977.
S93 Haulmaster was produced from January 1978 to January 1979,it had a short production run because it wasn’t a success.
Replaced by the S10 Mk1 in early 1979.
S95 Fleetmaster 4x2 and 6x4 Tractive Units.Cab produced by Motor Panels.Single windscreen,twin headlamps.1978-1980.
NOTE:I’ve done this cab part of the post in a rush.If I’ve made any mistakes I’ll correct them later.It is now currently 3 AM!
After having some sleep,to quote the great title of a great and famous Glenn Miller instrumental: Here We Go Again
ERF-Continental:
Sorry for the poor quality - pictures of photocopies- but herewith
some info out of the one and only Foden-bible to my opinion.
Yes.I know the book because I have a copy : The Long Haul.A Social History Of The British Commercial Vehicle Industry,Michael Seth-Smith,
Hutchinson Benham,London,1975. The emphisis is on Foden history.
DEANB:
I reckon this was a rare Foden ?0
It’s actually a standard Foden FC16 Crane Carrier which was a popular model.
VALKYRIE
