Immigrant:
limeyphil:
brados:
limeyphil:
new drivers could try it on. they don’t bother passing a test, just get a fake licence made up, copy it. play up [zb] with dvla, send in the copy, and abrakadabra, you have a new hgv licence.
it’s that mad, it’ll probably work.Passed mine in the early 80’s so I am guessing that there must be different systems in place now, but it was a good idea
Mind you…
fancy driving a coach?
Not nolan,Phil?
i am, just at home at the moment.
Immigrant:
limeyphil:
brados:
limeyphil:
new drivers could try it on. they don’t bother passing a test, just get a fake licence made up, copy it. play up [zb] with dvla, send in the copy, and abrakadabra, you have a new hgv licence.
it’s that mad, it’ll probably work.Passed mine in the early 80’s so I am guessing that there must be different systems in place now, but it was a good idea
Mind you…
fancy driving a coach?
Not nolan,Phil?
Yeah bugger it! Let’s give it a go, not got a licence but that doesn’t matter
shep532:
Just a quick warning for all. I have heard similar stories to this before but now experienced it for the first time.HGV driver will full CE entitlement. Got some speeding points in his car and was told to send his licence in. Licence came back with points on as expected. This was November 2011
Routine 3 monthly licence check at where he works - NO CE entitlement to be seen.
He’s been taken off the road while this gets sorted. Phoned DVLA who said there is a medical condition preventing him having a CE category. A note has been entered in November 2011 - which is when his licence went in for the speeding points.
Driver assures me he knows nothing of this and it seems this is a DVLA ■■■■ up - who of course argue otherwise.
Lesson to be learnt - check your licence and keep copies. Luckily the place he works has 3 monthly copies dating back a couple of years - all with CE on.
The Medical Departement is in direct Contact with your GP if you have already Diabetes or so.And if there any changes they know it. So ask your GP if there is anything.
Problem has been solved. here is a potted history. Not perfectly accurate but gives you the idea.
Company received an NIP for an HGV speeding. Employer (me) gave driver details to the Police. Police wrote to him suggesting he was speeding in our vehicle. Driver failed to acknowledge or answer NIP.
DVLA award him 6 points at £500+ fine for failing to answer NIP. Driver still fails to acknowledge this by post.
Meanwhile company received ANOTHER speeding notification. Again supplied information to Police who again send NIP to driver who fails to acknowledge. DVLA now disqualify him from driving ANYTHING and write to him telling him so.
He now returns said NIPS etc - they send him a licence application pack D1 - he completed it, they send him a new licence with all these points on. HOWEVER … form D1 only got him his ordinary licence back - no HGV. he needed form D2 for that.
Therefore - he was driving for around 3 weeks with no licence at all - he was disqualified. He then got his ordinary licence back but no HGV and has been driving a 44t Artic since!! This was brought to light by a company licence check.
he now has to apply for his HGV licence back. There is a good chance becasue he got 9 points in a 3 month period for HGV related offences - the TC will not grant his CE entitlement - if indeed DVLA inform the TC, which they often do it seems.
Meanwhile - he can’t work. has to send in form D2 and wait for the outcome.
I think he now realises how important his licence is and perhaps wishes he hadn’t been speeding in an HGV.
Pete
So his licence was revoked by DVLA yes they do inform the TC & he will be totting points up with them as well so he may have to go & have a nice cuppa with the local TC good luck to him hope he gets sorted
shep532:
Problem has been solved. here is a potted history. Not perfectly accurate but gives you the idea.Company received an NIP for an HGV speeding. Employer (me) gave driver details to the Police. Police wrote to him suggesting he was speeding in our vehicle. Driver failed to acknowledge or answer NIP.
DVLA award him 6 points at £500+ fine for failing to answer NIP. Driver still fails to acknowledge this by post.
Meanwhile company received ANOTHER speeding notification. Again supplied information to Police who again send NIP to driver who fails to acknowledge. DVLA now disqualify him from driving ANYTHING and write to him telling him so.
He now returns said NIPS etc - they send him a licence application pack D1 - he completed it, they send him a new licence with all these points on. HOWEVER … form D1 only got him his ordinary licence back - no HGV. he needed form D2 for that.
Therefore - he was driving for around 3 weeks with no licence at all - he was disqualified. He then got his ordinary licence back but no HGV and has been driving a 44t Artic since!! This was brought to light by a company licence check.
he now has to apply for his HGV licence back. There is a good chance becasue he got 9 points in a 3 month period for HGV related offences - the TC will not grant his CE entitlement - if indeed DVLA inform the TC, which they often do it seems.
Meanwhile - he can’t work. has to send in form D2 and wait for the outcome.
I think he now realises how important his licence is and perhaps wishes he hadn’t been speeding in an HGV.
Pete
So as I expected from the wording of your original post nothing to do with any errors on the DVLA’s part. The application of points and disqualification is handled by the courts not the DVLA unless it’s the new driver act which it isn’t here. Perhaps the title of this thread should be changed to reflect the real blame: the driver.
shep532:
DVLA award him 6 points at £500+ fine for failing to answer NIP
No they didn’t.
SmashedCrabFace:
S80RTE:
SmashedCrabFace:
I’ve got a B licence and a C licence for sale, no endorsements and a very good looking chap on the picture. £30 each.Who’s is it?
It’s me silly. You’ll need to be incredibly handsome to pass them off as your own.
I sent my licence for renewal on 2 Feb 2nd class post, and received new one on 11 Feb. Well done DVLA, keep it up.
S80RTE:
SmashedCrabFace:
S80RTE:
SmashedCrabFace:
I’ve got a B licence and a C licence for sale, no endorsements and a very good looking chap on the picture. £30 each.Who’s is it?
It’s me silly. You’ll need to be incredibly handsome to pass them off as your own.
Sorry but the wrong ■■■ for me
Coffeeholic:
shep532:
DVLA award him 6 points at £500+ fine for failing to answer NIPNo they didn’t.
Ok ok … SOMEBODY did. Police, courts, judge, wifes cousin … I dunno (I aint never had points).
Either way poor sod can’t earn a living for a while - all for not returning the NIP from a simple speeding offence. This would have been 3 points and became 6 and a disqualification plus a £525 fine. So his next 3 points got him to 9 within a three month period.
Now the Operator has to inform the TC one of their drivers was disqualified and what they’re gonna do about it.
waddy640:
DVLA is run by Welsh prople who never admit to making mistakes, therefore it must be someone else’s fault not theirs.
Considering more than half the employees working at DVLA will be English, this seems a strange comment 
GEN_HAUL:
waddy640:
DVLA is run by Welsh prople who never admit to making mistakes, therefore it must be someone else’s fault not theirs.Considering more than half the employees working at DVLA will be English, this seems a strange comment
They seem to have thicker accents than that traffic bird on R2 whenever I ring up. 
MADBAZ:
GEN_HAUL:
waddy640:
DVLA is run by Welsh prople who never admit to making mistakes, therefore it must be someone else’s fault not theirs.Considering more than half the employees working at DVLA will be English, this seems a strange comment
They seem to have thicker accents than that traffic bird on R2 whenever I ring up.
That’s because they spend so much time dealing with thicker people!
gnasty gnome:
MADBAZ:
GEN_HAUL:
waddy640:
DVLA is run by Welsh prople who never admit to making mistakes, therefore it must be someone else’s fault not theirs.Considering more than half the employees working at DVLA will be English, this seems a strange comment
They seem to have thicker accents than that traffic bird on R2 whenever I ring up.
That’s because they spend so much time dealing with thicker people!
Only 27% of employees at DVLA Swansea consider themselves English, 97% were born in the UK, 64% are female, 36% are male, 3% consider themselves African/Caribbean.
EDIT: I made these figures up
GEN_HAUL:
waddy640:
DVLA is run by Welsh prople who never admit to making mistakes, therefore it must be someone else’s fault not theirs.Considering more than half the employees working at DVLA will be English, this seems a strange comment
They must work in the canteen or be the cleaners then - Always got a taff on the other end of the phonelines when you call them!
shep532:
Coffeeholic:
shep532:
DVLA award him 6 points at £500+ fine for failing to answer NIPNo they didn’t.
Ok ok … SOMEBODY did. Police, courts, judge, wifes cousin … I dunno (I aint never had points).
Either way poor sod can’t earn a living for a while - all for not returning the NIP from a simple speeding offence. This would have been 3 points and became 6 and a disqualification plus a £525 fine. So his next 3 points got him to 9 within a three month period.
Now the Operator has to inform the TC one of their drivers was disqualified and what they’re gonna do about it.
Sounds like you need a new policy that drivers notify you of any points/convictions immediately, or record anyone who gets an NIP through and follow up the result, with disciplinary action against those who hide convictions that are found at licence check. You already have quarterly licence check so that’s one key process in place. The company shouldn’t get in trouble over it, but if you can show you have taken measures to avoid a recurrence then that’s plus points should you have to meet the TC.
Coffeeholic:
shep532:
DVLA award him 6 points at £500+ fine for failing to answer NIPNo they didn’t.
No, they probably didn’t but I expect the local court did and then the next court disqualified him for ignoring them and the first NIP too.
In these days of computer databases, they can’t be fooled so easily and despite posts to the contrary, they know every trick in the book.
Their answer is normally to award a higher penalty for failing to reply than they would for the original offence and they are quite happy to do this in the absence of the alleged offender.
I wouldn’t be very happy with a driver who did what has been suggested, I would be turning my thought to, if he can’t be honest when caught speeding (twice) , what else is he prepare to do that I don’t, but should know about.
I used to work with a bloke who could re-write history in his own head, which made him a quite convincing liar, as he truly believed that what he said he had or had not done was true.
To such an extent, for example, that having knocked over two pallets of tinned food at a customer’s yard, driving off and then denying all knowledge, they sent stills from CCTV footage of him doing it and he still said it wasn’t him 
.
In my humble opinion, such people are better if they work for someone else.
Regards,
Nick
Winseer:
GEN_HAUL:
waddy640:
DVLA is run by Welsh prople who never admit to making mistakes, therefore it must be someone else’s fault not theirs.Considering more than half the employees working at DVLA will be English, this seems a strange comment
They must work in the canteen or be the cleaners then - Always got a taff on the other end of the phonelines when you call them!
I have never spoken to anyone there with an English accent - even Gavin has picked up the lingo a bit now, “allright how’s it goin alright?”
shep532:
Problem has been solved. here is a potted history. Not perfectly accurate but gives you the idea.Company received an NIP for an HGV speeding. Employer (me) gave driver details to the Police. Police wrote to him suggesting he was speeding in our vehicle. Driver failed to acknowledge or answer NIP.
DVLA award him 6 points at £500+ fine for failing to answer NIP. Driver still fails to acknowledge this by post.
Meanwhile company received ANOTHER speeding notification. Again supplied information to Police who again send NIP to driver who fails to acknowledge. DVLA now disqualify him from driving ANYTHING and write to him telling him so.
He now returns said NIPS etc - they send him a licence application pack D1 - he completed it, they send him a new licence with all these points on. HOWEVER … form D1 only got him his ordinary licence back - no HGV. he needed form D2 for that.
Therefore - he was driving for around 3 weeks with no licence at all - he was disqualified. He then got his ordinary licence back but no HGV and has been driving a 44t Artic since!! This was brought to light by a company licence check.
he now has to apply for his HGV licence back. There is a good chance becasue he got 9 points in a 3 month period for HGV related offences - the TC will not grant his CE entitlement - if indeed DVLA inform the TC, which they often do it seems.
Meanwhile - he can’t work. has to send in form D2 and wait for the outcome.
I think he now realises how important his licence is and perhaps wishes he hadn’t been speeding in an HGV.
Pete
Surely as the employer, if it was the same driver would you not of asked him depending on the amount of employee’s of course, personally the driver is an idiot and doesnt deserve to get licence back ignoring the NIP’s and then only knew due to u the employer donig your legal checks personally I would sack said driver no excuse even if it was sent to wrong address is obligation to keep the licence up to date address details etc.