jakethesnake:
Hesitancy usually takes place at junctions or roundabouts where a driver had time to go but did not.
That obviously puts undue and dangerous pressure on the driver who’s responsible whether on test or not.
The rule should be a fail only for going or attempting to go when they shouldn’t have.
That seems to have been the logic which both of my HGV examiners applied and my first car test.
Don’t remember any pressure to go at junctions on test other than what one or two of my HGV instructors had tried to apply and with them I just ignored it.
During my time involved in training I never ever heard an event explained the same by an examiner and a candidate.
At the end of every test if the candidate didn’t pass there was a debrief given by the examiner on how the test went.
One particular event probably would not cause a fail however it would be noted and the whole drive would be taken into consideration which could determine the final result.
Nobody likes to fail hence examiners usually get the blame.
TruckDriverBen:
so OP you mention, you drove on a country lane road which might have been national speed limit and when approaching the bend you slowed down to 10mile, you deserve to fail mate obviously we cant see which bend and how sharp it is, was there any advisor speed limits on what speed you should travel? its my pet hate people who cant drive a vehicle suitable to the road i bet 30/40 any half decent driver could get around it safe enough
We don’t know what the bend was like because we haven’t seen it so how can you say.
The entry speed of a bend is also governed by the vision through it on the other side and that’s rarely good enough for 40 mph with a truck, although usually more than 10 mph.
The examiner obviously didn’t ‘intervene’ to accelerate because he was going too slow in the bend and he wasn’t failed for not ‘making progress’.
jakethesnake:
Hesitancy usually takes place at junctions or roundabouts where a driver had time to go but did not.
That obviously puts undue and dangerous pressure on the driver who’s responsible whether on test or not.
The rule should be a fail only for going or attempting to go when they shouldn’t have.
That seems to have been the logic which both of my HGV examiners applied and my first car test.
Don’t remember any pressure to go at junctions on test other than what one or two of my HGV instructors had tried to apply and with them I just ignored it.
You obviously misunderstand.
The rule should be a fail only for going or attempting to go when they shouldn’t have.
jakethesnake:
Hesitancy usually takes place at junctions or roundabouts where a driver had time to go but did not.
That obviously puts undue and dangerous pressure on the driver who’s responsible whether on test or not.
The rule should be a fail only for going or attempting to go when they shouldn’t have.
That seems to have been the logic which both of my HGV examiners applied and my first car test.
Don’t remember any pressure to go at junctions on test other than what one or two of my HGV instructors had tried to apply and with them I just ignored it.
You obviously misunderstand.
The rule should be a fail only for going or attempting to go when they shouldn’t have.
This is correct^^^^^
In which case obviously an oxymoron v arguably ‘in the examiner’s view’ ‘could’ have gone’ but didn’t.Bearing in mind the examiner isn’t the driver.
Which obviously means that hesitancy ( to go ) at junctions isn’t the examiner’s call and therefore shouldn’t even be on the sheet.Or if it is the examiner should ignore it which seems to have been the case in all my tests.Stop at a give way line then think/look once think/look twice is the definition of hesitancy and even contradicts the idea of a give way sign/line v a stop sign/line.
It shows how effective those think bike adverts were.Far better than the advice of too many driving instructors and determined my approach to junctions from when I started driving to whenever I’ll stop.
alamcculloch:
I wonder if we have the full story here. Has the O.P. perhaps at some time or other stood a bit too close to the examiners wife/daughter.?
I got the impression that certain driving styles don’t match to the point where the instructor/examiner loses their objectivety and goes beyond their remit.
So called hesitancy at junctions ( level of responsibility ) and use of gears to slow and use of signals when moving out to pass lines of parked vehicles and preferring not to stay out on the wrong side of the road to pass seperate lines of parked vehicles in one hit, were the main three issues which I fell out with, especially one, instructor over.
But no problems regards same with my examiners.
jakethesnake:
Hesitancy usually takes place at junctions or roundabouts where a driver had time to go but did not.
That obviously puts undue and dangerous pressure on the driver who’s responsible whether on test or not.
The rule should be a fail only for going or attempting to go when they shouldn’t have.
That seems to have been the logic which both of my HGV examiners applied and my first car test.
Don’t remember any pressure to go at junctions on test other than what one or two of my HGV instructors had tried to apply and with them I just ignored it.
You obviously misunderstand.
The rule should be a fail only for going or attempting to go when they shouldn’t have.
This is correct^^^^^
In which case obviously an oxymoron v arguably ‘in the examiner’s view’ ‘could’ have gone’ but didn’t.Bearing in mind the examiner isn’t the driver.
Which obviously means that hesitancy ( to go ) at junctions isn’t the examiner’s call and therefore shouldn’t even be on the sheet.Or if it is the examiner should ignore it which seems to have been the case in all my tests.Stop at a give way line then think/look once think/look twice is the definition of hesitancy and even contradicts the idea of a give way sign/line v a stop sign/line.
It shows how effective those think bike adverts were.Far better than the advice of too many driving instructors and determined my approach to junctions from when I started driving to whenever I’ll stop.
The rule should be a fail only for going or attempting to go when they shouldn’t have.
This is correct^^^^^
In which case obviously an oxymoron v arguably ‘in the examiner’s view’ ‘could’ have gone’ but didn’t.
Carryfast me thinks you ain’t quite right…
‘Stop’ ( at a give way line ), think/look once, think/look twice, is clearly an oxymoron v ‘hesitancy at junctions’.
What’s ‘not right’. drivingtesttips.biz/stop-road-signs.html
All valid points on here but this is so frustrating for this guy. It’s easy for us to sit here after years of experience and say you should have done this or that but for bighubby it’s obviously a problem.
I’m guessing he now goes into his test with these other fails in the back of his mind, there was one point I read though about taking your test at a different test site, years back it was always a problem around here with taking a test at Featherstone, the school I used switched all their tests to Swynnerton and saw pass rates increase straight away, I’m not say that Featherstone or any other test centre’s were unfair in the way they tested but maybe the routes at Swynnerton being more rural were easier to navigate as it were.
Either way bighubby must be so **ssed off about this.
You are quite correct brados. Difficult to know the circumstances but I would say make sure the trainers are properly qualified. If not go somewhere else. It maybe just test nerves but usually not so bad second or third time.
