If you were the gaffer would you want to know what a driver was doing before a crash? If a member of the public reported a driver being on their phone would you want to check it out because you don’t want drivers taking your vehicles out who would do that? I want to know. And as a driver if I’m doing nothing wrong I’ve nothing to worry about. Forget it’s even there. Everyone is happy.
Surely any owner who has invested heavily in trucks, fuel,training etc will want to be able to see a return for their money and want to ensure the people who are let loose in the £xxxxxx worth of machinery are in fact doing what they are paid to do and doing it safely.
In cab cameras are not the end of the world, they are fast becoming the norm, you soon get used to it and ignore it.
The camera will do more to assist you in the event of a non fault incident, I would rather be able to refer the TM to the camera footage to show I was in the right rather than have a 50-50 doubt without proof.
Murrayminor:
Surely any owner who has invested heavily in trucks, fuel,training etc will want to be able to see a return for their money and want to ensure the people who are let loose in the £xxxxxx worth of machinery are in fact doing what they are paid to do and doing it safely.In cab cameras are not the end of the world, they are fast becoming the norm, you soon get used to it and ignore it.
The camera will do more to assist you in the event of a non fault incident, I would rather be able to refer the TM to the camera footage to show I was in the right rather than have a 50-50 doubt without proof.
Precisely!
I’d rather have the cameras that can totally prove I was not at fault rather than the 2 insurance companies deciding it’s not possible to say.
If I was doing something wrong and it’s on camera then that’s my bad and so be it. I’ll take what’s coming to me.
They really aren’t an issue you just forget they are there. Do all you who are so against them just stay inside at home whenever your off work? Or do you ever go to a public place? A supermarket? A pub? A theatre? Cinema? Sports stadium? Because in all those places there are cameras watching you. But your doing nothing wrong so it’s not an issue and you just crack on with your shopping, or drink, or watching the football right? Same logic to in cab cameras. They are there. Just carry on.
Murrayminor:
Surely any owner who has invested heavily in trucks, fuel,training etc will want to be able to see a return for their money and want to ensure the people who are let loose in the £xxxxxx worth of machinery are in fact doing what they are paid to do and doing it safely.In cab cameras are not the end of the world, they are fast becoming the norm, you soon get used to it and ignore it.
The camera will do more to assist you in the event of a non fault incident, I would rather be able to refer the TM to the camera footage to show I was in the right rather than have a 50-50 doubt without proof.
I rest my case, no further questions m.lud. 
In answer to your question, you don’t ‘‘let loose’’ as you put it, inept f/whits in your investment…you employ the type of driver who does not need to be constantly watched to see if he.'s doing his job.
A good driver treated like an adult is a productive and loyal driver as I found out when I used to employ them myself.
robroy:
Murrayminor:
Surely any owner who has invested heavily in trucks, fuel,training etc will want to be able to see a return for their money and want to ensure the people who are let loose in the £xxxxxx worth of machinery are in fact doing what they are paid to do and doing it safely.In cab cameras are not the end of the world, they are fast becoming the norm, you soon get used to it and ignore it.
The camera will do more to assist you in the event of a non fault incident, I would rather be able to refer the TM to the camera footage to show I was in the right rather than have a 50-50 doubt without proof.
I rest my case, no further questions m.lud.
In answer to your question…you employ the type of driver who does not need to be constantly watched to see if he.'s doing his job.
A good driver treated like an adult is a productive and loyal driver as I found out when I used to employ them myself.
Why are you rolling your eyes??
A potential driver is interviewed,passes the interview has a bit of a driving assessment then let loose on a multi thousand bit of kit, I certainly would want to ensure my equipment was in a safe pair of hands, adult or not.
Yes by all means treat the driver like a professional but have a back up in case of an incident not monitor it all day and tell them to stop picking their nose
Nothing against the camera, nothing to hide, had cameras and vehicle data recorded for years never had it used against me, but have used it to show I was not at fault.
Murrayminor:
robroy:
Murrayminor:
Surely any owner who has invested heavily in trucks, fuel,training etc will want to be able to see a return for their money and want to ensure the people who are let loose in the £xxxxxx worth of machinery are in fact doing what they are paid to do and doing it safely.In cab cameras are not the end of the world, they are fast becoming the norm, you soon get used to it and ignore it.
The camera will do more to assist you in the event of a non fault incident, I would rather be able to refer the TM to the camera footage to show I was in the right rather than have a 50-50 doubt without proof.
I rest my case, no further questions m.lud.
In answer to your question…you employ the type of driver who does not need to be constantly watched to see if he.'s doing his job.
A good driver treated like an adult is a productive and loyal driver as I found out when I used to employ them myself.Why are you rolling your eyes??
A potential driver is interviewed,passes the interview has a bit of a driving assessment then let loose on a multi thousand bit of kit, I certainly would want to ensure my equipment was in a safe pair of hands, adult or not.
Yes by all means treat the driver like a professional but have a back up in case of an incident not monitor it all day and tell them to stop picking their noseNothing against the camera, nothing to hide, had cameras and vehicle data recorded for years never had it used against me, but have used it to show I was not at fault.
I’m rolling my eyes because you personify the type of driver I referred to in my previous post …oops there I go again.
Have a read back at it maybe. 
You just go ahead, carry on and readily believe all you want mate, but just hope that you don’t happen to have a ■■■■ big loud yawn and stretch for instance (as we all do) then go and run over the top of somebody, because whether you are at fault or not, a ■■■■ good prosecution barrister will do his utmost to use that as camera evidence against you on a driver fatigue rap, to put you at fault, BECAUSE of that evidence.
Ok, a bit dramatic as an example maybe…, but nevertheless accurate.
I edited my last post before you quoted me, so to re.iterate if you are a bit more selective over the type of drivers you employ, there is no need to constantly check up in an intrusive way.
You appear to be frightened of the technology, if you are not doing anything wrong then why should you resist it so much?
For what its worth I have a camera recording in my car as well, and I feel secure in the knowledge its there to assist should I need it.
And as for the prosecution finding fault, well that can be said for the multitude of CCTV cameras we pass each and every day recording our each and every move.
It’s the 21st century, its technology, its here to stay, embrace it or be forever an angry person recalling “how we used to do it in my day”.
Here we go again.
No, driver facing cameras are not the norm nor is it the way all transport is going.
Yes some companies fit them and if no one objects then they are probably there to stay, other companies usually where drivers have a decent union have fought against and refused to accept them during the ‘‘impact assessment’’ stage, which if you are determined enough not to be bullied into acceptance they don’t ever get past, end of.
That impact assessment by the way, if those companies that have fitted them already didn’t have proper consultation during the IA then those drivers aggrieved enough to feel forced to leave have a valid cliam of constructive dismissal, which if you consult the relevant documents on the HM.Gov sites regarding personal ccvt monitoring you will find the govt themselves advise this is the case.
Changes to data protection soon, work checking out, could be some serious £££ compo for those affected if footage of them gets viewed out of strict eyes only, plus eye watering fines for companies lax in such matters.
As for vehicle owners/operators wishing to see their vehicles being driven properly, the answer my friend isn’t in the wind it lies in recruiting good personell in the first place and treating and remunerating them well enough that they are thankful to be working for you and anyone with half a brain in a decent job looks after it, if instead you recruit stupid then expect stupid, you can point 20 cameras at a chimp but he’ll still be a chimp if you spent your entire working day of 8 office hours watching the live feed of him chimping.
One size fits all based on the lowest common denominator does not, never has, never will, work.
Well done Harry Monk for sticking to your guns on this, if good reliable skilled people refuse to comply and all these places can recruit is the very chimps that need 24/7 monitoring, then each type of employer/employee has the situation they deserve and the results will prove which method works.
I disagree
Murrayminor:
You appear to be frightened of the technology, if you are not doing anything wrong then why should you resist it so much?
For what its worth I have a camera recording in my car as well, and I feel secure in the knowledge its there to assist should I need it.And as for the prosecution finding fault, well that can be said for the multitude of CCTV cameras we pass each and every day recording our each and every move.
It’s the 21st century, its technology, its here to stay, embrace it or be forever an angry person recalling “how we used to do it in my day”.
So that’s your opinion of me eh?
Ok fair enough mate you’re entitled to it.
I don’t need to retort to try and maybe insult or embarrass you, or attempt to show you up to being a certain type, you’re managing that fine all by yourself.
Cheers.
It was a statement based on your previous posts, I don’t know you from Adam its just the picture you painted and I responded.
My post was relating to cameras and your reluctance to accept them not a personal slap in the face.
I stand by my statement, but I also accept there are people who disagree, that is the rich tapestry of life, if we all agreed the world would be a sad place.
Murrayminor:
Surely any owner who has invested heavily in trucks, fuel,training etc will want to be able to see a return for their money and want to ensure the people who are let loose in the £xxxxxx worth of machinery are in fact doing what they are paid to do and doing it safely.In cab cameras are not the end of the world, they are fast becoming the norm, you soon get used to it and ignore it.
The camera will do more to assist you in the event of a non fault incident, I would rather be able to refer the TM to the camera footage to show I was in the right rather than have a 50-50 doubt without proof.
Totally agree. In fact I’d not stop with just lorry surveillance! If a person is driving my multi thousand pounds worth of kit I’d feel justified in installing cameras in his/her home to make sure that they’re not taking illegal drugs or maybe drinking too much. After all they’ll soon be representing my company so that’s acceptable surely? Isn’t it?
robroy:
Murrayminor:
Surely any owner who has invested heavily in trucks, fuel,training etc will want to be able to see a return for their money and want to ensure the people who are let loose in the £xxxxxx worth of machinery are in fact doing what they are paid to do and doing it safely.In cab cameras are not the end of the world, they are fast becoming the norm, you soon get used to it and ignore it.
The camera will do more to assist you in the event of a non fault incident, I would rather be able to refer the TM to the camera footage to show I was in the right rather than have a 50-50 doubt without proof.
I rest my case, no further questions m.lud.
In answer to your question, you don’t ‘‘let loose’’ as you put it, inept f/whits in your investment…you employ the type of driver who does not need to be constantly watched to see if he.'s doing his job.
A good driver treated like an adult is a productive and loyal driver as I found out when I used to employ them myself.
When you look at the poor standards of driving by professional drivers out in the road (2 inches from the truck in front, bullying antics, and the rest of it) as a boss I’d certainly not be trusting anyone who all I knew about them was what I’d learned on an interview and assessment. Cameras in all the way.
robroy:
Murrayminor:
robroy:
Murrayminor:
Surely any owner who has invested heavily in trucks, fuel,training etc will want to be able to see a return for their money and want to ensure the people who are let loose in the £xxxxxx worth of machinery are in fact doing what they are paid to do and doing it safely.In cab cameras are not the end of the world, they are fast becoming the norm, you soon get used to it and ignore it.
The camera will do more to assist you in the event of a non fault incident, I would rather be able to refer the TM to the camera footage to show I was in the right rather than have a 50-50 doubt without proof.
I rest my case, no further questions m.lud.
In answer to your question…you employ the type of driver who does not need to be constantly watched to see if he.'s doing his job.
A good driver treated like an adult is a productive and loyal driver as I found out when I used to employ them myself.Why are you rolling your eyes??
A potential driver is interviewed,passes the interview has a bit of a driving assessment then let loose on a multi thousand bit of kit, I certainly would want to ensure my equipment was in a safe pair of hands, adult or not.
Yes by all means treat the driver like a professional but have a back up in case of an incident not monitor it all day and tell them to stop picking their noseNothing against the camera, nothing to hide, had cameras and vehicle data recorded for years never had it used against me, but have used it to show I was not at fault.
I’m rolling my eyes because you personify the type of driver I referred to in my previous post
Have a read back at it maybe.You just go ahead, carry on and readily believe all you want mate, but just hope that you don’t happen to have a [zb] big loud yawn and stretch for instance (as we all do) then go and run over the top of somebody, because whether you are at fault or not, a [zb] good prosecution barrister will do his utmost to use that as camera evidence against you on a driver fatigue rap, to put you at fault, BECAUSE of that evidence.
Ok, a bit dramatic as an example maybe…, but nevertheless accurate.I edited my last post before you quoted me, so to re.iterate if you are a bit more selective over the type of drivers you employ, there is no need to constantly check up in an intrusive way.
Really rob? You don’t just yawn and miss the person walking out in front of you. Your not serious? I hope not.
the maoster:
Totally agree. In fact I’d not stop with just lorry surveillance! If a person is driving my multi thousand pounds worth of kit I’d feel justified in installing cameras in his/her home to make sure that they’re not taking illegal drugs or maybe drinking too much. After all they’ll soon be representing my company so that’s acceptable surely? Isn’t it?
Yes, perhaps there should be driver-facing cameras in the company toilet cubicles just in case the driver is snorting a line of charlie when he’s having a dump. 
Harry Monk:
the maoster:
Totally agree. In fact I’d not stop with just lorry surveillance! If a person is driving my multi thousand pounds worth of kit I’d feel justified in installing cameras in his/her home to make sure that they’re not taking illegal drugs or maybe drinking too much. After all they’ll soon be representing my company so that’s acceptable surely? Isn’t it?Yes, perhaps there should be driver-facing cameras in the company toilet cubicles just in case the driver is snorting a line of charlie when he’s having a dump.
Don’t be giving the spineless and the brainwashed these ideas for ffs or, they’ll be suggesting all this stuff to their bosses.
You know how serious they all take it. 
I have walked out of a job once. I was a new driver for one of the pallet companies. They refused to give me an electric pump truck reason i was not trained. I told them i have worked in a warehouse i can use one. Even told them you are trusting me with a truck but not pump truck. Cameras are a no for me. How about putting one in the bosses car and see if he likes it.
WheelsofCardiff:
I have walked out of a job once. I was a new driver for one of the pallet companies. They refused to give me an electric pump truck reason i was not trained.
My answer to that would be “I haven’t been trained on a manual pump truck either”.
Murrayminor:
I will leave this thread now as it’s gone from a discussion to some juvenile name calling.
Thanks for the educated debate.
Goodbye.
Unless you self-identify as a means of public transport, there is no need to announce your departure.