Foxstein:
Coffeeholic:
Yes you would have 12 hours of rest and 12 hours for driving, other work, POA and breaks but the 3 hour rest period would be between the start and end of the shift so would be part of the shift time. You don’t go into the digi menu and end you shift at the start of the 3 hour period then start a new shift at the end of it, or remove the chart and do the SDR/EDR or EOD/SOD thing, so the 3 hour period is part of a single shift of 15 hours in this case.
I get it I think 
just got the impression that the original OP was just trying to get an extra hour in
He was asking if the rules on split rest were still the same as a few years ago but they changed in April 2007; before that you could do a 16 hour shift/spread when splitting the rest and therefore ‘get an extra hour in’. It doesn’t matter how long teh first part of the split is, 3, 4, 5, 6 or more hours you can still only do 15 hours between start and end of the shift.
Foxstein:
we all presumed he was either on a ferry or had a bunk to sleep on, or have I got that mixed up too
Yep, you have. 
No requirement to have access to a bunk in either part of a split daily rest, you could make use of that option when driving a day cab. The ferry and bunk thing is for interrupting your regular daily rest to board and/or disembark from a ferry and is not the same as the OP’s question.
I know I’m going to get verbally abused for this but I just feel compelled to scream DCPC!!! 
Surely questions such as these confirm that some form of training is needed? Or rather - confirms that some employers are not honouring the Undertakings & Declarations they made when applying for their Operators Licence.
The licensed operator, UNDERTAKES to make proper arrangments so that:
“The laws relating to the driving and operation of vehicles used under this licence are observed”
“The rules on Drivers’ Hours and tachographs are observed, proper records are kept and that these are made available on request”
How can these operators abide by such undetakings if they don’t pass on the rules & regulations to their drivers? it is their responsibility to ensure their drivers know the rules and abise by the rules.
Maybe that’s why the DCPC came about eh?
I’ll sit and wait for a torrent of abuse 
shep532:
I know I’m going to get verbally abused for this but I just feel compelled to scream DCPC!!!
Surely questions such as these confirm that some form of training is needed? Or rather - confirms that some employers are not honouring the Undertakings & Declarations they made when applying for their Operators Licence.
The licensed operator, UNDERTAKES to make proper arrangments so that:
“The laws relating to the driving and operation of vehicles used under this licence are observed”
“The rules on Drivers’ Hours and tachographs are observed, proper records are kept and that these are made available on request”
How can these operators abide by such undetakings if they don’t pass on the rules & regulations to their drivers? it is their responsibility to ensure their drivers know the rules and abise by the rules.
Maybe that’s why the DCPC came about eh?
I’ll sit and wait for a torrent of abuse
You’ll get no abuse from me so better luck with the next person to reply 
I will point out to you that a large proportion of the questions regarding the regulations that have been asked in this forum lately seem to stem from misinformation from employers and DCPC trainers.
I don’t know about employers and DCPC trainers solving the problem you refer to but they certainly keep this forum busy on occasions 
shep532:
I’ll sit and wait for a torrent of abuse
This may come as something of a shock but no abuse from me, I’ll try to do better next time.
However, DCPC won’t be the answer as long as they continue to teach more fiction than fact. Just recently it was established one member was told at least four different load of ■■■■■■■■ on his DCPC course.
Coffeeholic:
shep532:
I’ll sit and wait for a torrent of abuse
This may come as something of a shock but no abuse from me, I’ll try to do better next time.
However, DCPC won’t be the answer as long as they continue to teach more fiction than fact. Just recently it was established one member was told at least four different load of ■■■■■■■■ on his DCPC course.
I have completed 35 hours and obtained my DQC. The first 7 hour course only lasted 3 hours during which I was told i can split my driving breaks into three 15 minute segments.
My second 7 hours lasted 4 hours and during this I was told that breaks for driving are separate to RTD?/WTD breaks and I must take both at different times. I was also told i must be free to dispose of my time to have a break and if the wagon is being unloaded - even if I’m not there - I must record other work as the vehicle is working. Alternatively remove my chart/card until after they have unloaded. (This was a large Middleton based training provider)
My 21-35 hours were with Diesel Dave doing ADR - everything was perfectly spot on, learnt loads and he made sure we did the 7 hours each day
I do deliver DCPC training myself and as far as I am aware everything delivered is 100% factual. I do my very best to try and dispell all these variations on a theme that drivers sometimes have and I always attempt to make sure they get what is being discussed.
The ones I find surprising are the "My TM said … " and what they said was complete crp Unfortunately when you have a room of 10 all at different levels of understanding you can’t always concentrate on the bit that needs it and end up moving on for the benefit of the rest of the class. When this happens I would usually have a quiet word with those I don’t think really grasped that particular part and offer to stay after the course ends so we can look at that one bit of the rules (at no cost - aint I a saint?) and I always give my mobile number so any of them can ring and ask questions or tell me I’m a wa**r
it is normally daily rest and weekly rest seem to cause the greatest confusion plus the odd driver turns up quoting some obscure old rule from many years ago.
I am shocked by some of the standards out there in DCPC land and like to think i do better. I would certainly hope any driver attending for Drivers Hours or Digital tachograph type DCPC with me would leave knowing the actual rules and with an idea of how to impliment them. Sometimes the time alloted just doesn’t seem to be enough. 
I have to admit there are many posts in this particular section that make me just want to write “And we don’t need DCPC?” But I don’t
Pete
Foxstein:
I see where I was going wrong now Coffeholic you count the 3hrs as part of your shift, confusing work and shift time
as for the dcpc even if you teach correctly, the students/drivers still have to remember it all, especially if they don’t drive every day. I obtained my Operators CPC 4 years ago and because I only drive for a couple of weeks a year I have forgotten a lot, hence why I read a lot on hear to keep my mind refreshed and ask questions.
Now if you asked me about building I could answer nearlly all your questions as I do it everyday and have done it for years.
Point taken. I expect there are a lot in the same position of driving infrequently and not using the rules so often. I apologise if I came across like i was having a go - I wasn’t. 
I do often roll around laughing at the questions (and sometimes the answers) asked on here … and I have met many drivers who are in the job full time and currently working to a completely different set of rules than the ones in the books I read Point is that it isn’t generally their fault - its the guy they work for. Most transport managers and traffic planners could do with a refresher now and again.
As for building … I phone a builder
shep532:
… and I have met many drivers who are in the job full time and currently working to a completely different set of rules than the ones in the books I read
Those are the infamous MMTM* rules which trump any and all UK and EU regulations.
shep532:
As for building … I phone a builder
This^
*My Mate Told Me. Also known as, RDC /561/2006 (All years previous and following).