I hear that stoneridge have a new ‘‘exact’’ digi tacho, can anybody shed some light on the pro’s and con’s of it, sopposed to be the real deal and alot of companies changing?any experience?
thanks in advance!
Looks like it doesnt log 1 minute of driving when you have only driven for 8 seconds and stopped for 52seconds
se5000.com/se5000-overview.html
I picked up a copy of Roadway (RHA mag) today and there’s a whole load about it there. It will round to the nearest minute so 29sec of driving won’t count.
An operator trialled one parallel to a normal digi and there were some big differences.
Sorry I can’t be more specific but if you find a copy of the mag…
Of most immediate impact for the transport industry will be the so called “One Minute Rule”, which states that the single longest continuous activity undertaken within a given minute will be logged against that specific action. This is a departure from the previous legislation which specified that any minute with at least 5 seconds of drive, be logged as drive
So if im reading it right, if you do 29seconds of driving and 31sec of other work the whole minute will be logged as other work?
Ooo that sounds good. So you could do 29 seconds driving without it recording? Could do a lot of moving about with that!
switchlogic:
Ooo that sounds good. So you could do 29 seconds driving without it recording? Could do a lot of moving about with that!
They tested it out in Sweden i think and operator’s were reporting large daily gains in driving time for city-centre/built up area multi-drop drivers who are obviously always stop/starting.
Good and bad i suppose…
I’ve got a new stoneridge tacho, and it definitely doesn’t add minutes like the old one used to. i guess that on an average day i am saving about 20 mins driving. not sure about the 29 second bit though!
a couple of shunts will only mean a minute on yourtime, where as it used to be 4 or 5 mins! i wonder how many hours driving have been lost to the old style digi tachos?
happysack:
I’ve got a new stoneridge tacho, and it definitely doesn’t add minutes like the old one used to. i guess that on an average day i am saving about 20 mins driving. not sure about the 29 second bit though!a couple of shunts will only mean a minute on yourtime, where as it used to be 4 or 5 mins! i wonder how many hours driving have been lost to the old style digi tachos?
Have they sorter the poa si it dosent cencell your driving time out treating it as break
Stick a screwdriver through your current head & you may just get a new one.
bjd:
happysack:
I’ve got a new stoneridge tacho, and it definitely doesn’t add minutes like the old one used to. i guess that on an average day i am saving about 20 mins driving. not sure about the 29 second bit though!a couple of shunts will only mean a minute on yourtime, where as it used to be 4 or 5 mins! i wonder how many hours driving have been lost to the old style digi tachos?
Have they sorter the poa si it dosent cencell your driving time out treating it as break
it is better, but bot perfect. if you have 20 mins poa, then 15 mins break, it will say 20 mins on the display…not a major problem. if you then take another 30 mins poa it normally won’t cancel yourdriving time.
but, not always!
it is a lot quicker printing or scrolling through the display than the old models too!
Another change is that it should start recording your breaks quicker. With current models when you stop the tacho switches to other work and then you select break but it can record other work for a minute or two before it starts recording break, The new model, provided you switch it to break within 2 minutes of it switching to other work, will assume your break started when you stopped and not when you changed the mode. It could however incorrectly change a short other work period before a break into a break.
Is there a software update for the OLDER digital tacho VU units?
One day they will produce a digi that will record all the modes in seconds and add those seconds together to give a perfect record
The might even be able to make the digi comply to the current EU/AETR regs as they are virtually the same and not allow POA or 3 x 15s etc to reset the driving time
Strange that … I would have thought with modern technology that would possible now 
ROG:
One day they will produce a digi that will record all the modes in seconds and add those seconds together to give a perfect recordThe might even be able to make the digi comply to the current EU/AETR regs as they are virtually the same and not allow POA or 3 x 15s etc to reset the driving time
Strange that … I would have thought with modern technology that would possible now
It is possible now but it needs the legislation to go through the EU and that takes time, a long time. The regulation which covers this change is dated 16th December 2009 and some of it comes into force 1st October this year and some 1st October 2012.
Give it time.
DHLs new FH13s have them. the one i used a few weeks ago didnt reset my driving time from the previous shift but it did record my daily rest. go figure 
scanny77:
DHLs new FH13s have them. the one i used a few weeks ago didnt reset my driving time from the previous shift but it did record my daily rest. go figure
they clear your drive after 11 hours break, not a 9
To answer the OP question.
The Stoneridge SE5000 Exakt is the first Vehicle Unit (VU) to gain type approval under the modified operating rules that were published last year. Although, VDO launched their v1.4 a few months back and I have no reason to doubt that Actia and EFAS have either got type approval or will have very shortly. From October this year, any newly activated VU will have to comply with the new regulation anyway.
All the new units will assign activity (driving, work, availability or break/rest) to whole calendar minutes, however, the way the determine what to assign a ‘split minute’ to has changed. Previously, the minute was assigned to the longest activity in that minute. If both periods were the same length then the activity was assigned to the last activity selected. Think of the first 30 seconds being ‘break’ and the last 30 seconds being ‘work.’ The whole minute will be assigned to ‘work’ as that was the last activity to be selected. Had the periods been 40 seconds ‘break’ and 20 seconds ‘work’ then the minute would be called ‘break,’ because that was the longest activity in the minute.
The real change comes when we consider ‘driving.’ The older VUs work on the rule that when signals are received from the motion sensor for 5 consecutive seconds the VU will record ‘driving.’ Once 'driving has been recognised that calendar minute will be recorded as ‘driving’ regardless of what happened in the rest of that minute. The new VUs do not apply the rule that ‘driving’ takes precedence, instead the activity assigned to a calendar minute will be the longest continuous activity measured in that minute. For example; 20 seconds of movement followed by 40 seconds of ‘work’ will now be recorded as ‘work,’ previously the minute would have been recorded as; ‘driving.’ However, 20 seconds of movement followed by 19 seconds of ‘work’ followed by 6 seconds of movement followed by 15 seconds of ‘work,’ will be recorded as ‘driving.’ Although there is 26 seconds of movement and 44 seconds of ‘work’ in the calendar minute, the longest continuous activity is ‘driving’ at 20 seconds.
The scenarios are endless, just like the arguments are regarding whether it’s a true record or not. Accept that if the VU says’ you’re ‘driving’ you’re ‘driving,’ because that is the legal record and everybody is in the same boat. There are a whole heap of arguments about instruments recording in ‘seconds’ rather than ‘calendar minutes,’ for the time being forget it. The memory capacity would have to increase enormously and the legislation would have to be completely rewritten and for what real world benefit? Remember, analogue charts are only really readable to one minute block, unless using some very specialised equipment. With the current tolerances employed by enforcement agencies there is no point moving to a system with a higher degree of resolution.
Other Exakt feature; simplified manual entry system compared with previous SE5000 models (that wouldn’t be difficult, really).
Manual entries can be entered in local time and the VU will convert them to UTC.
Manual entries can be reviewed before they are written to the card.
It is possible to assign all the time between last card ejection and subsequent insertion to ‘rest’ with only a couple of key presses.
Faster download times.
Faster printing times.
Breaks can be selected to either '561 or the older '3820 specification. Although AETR rules have now changed to match the EU '561 rules to change the software completely would require a rewrite of the legislation, that won’t happen anytime soon.
Default activity record on ignition ‘on’ or ‘off’ can be changed using a Company Card, rather than the vehicle having to be taken to a Tacho Centre.
Think that just about covers it for the moment. Just to say, the driving time change has proved to be a real ‘winner’ for companies where their vehicles are involved in a lot of stop start operations; urban traffic, multi-drop etc. Both VDO and Stoneridge are offering deals to companies wanting to change to the new Tachos in existing vehicles. It isn’t possible to update the software in the old VUs.
ROG:
One day they will produce a digi that will record all the modes in seconds and add those seconds together to give a perfect recordThe might even be able to make the digi comply to the current EU/AETR regs as they are virtually the same and not allow POA or 3 x 15s etc to reset the driving time
Strange that … I would have thought with modern technology that would possible now
The newer ones (Post 60 plate at least - mine is) only reset driving time after a 15 and a 30 on break. Don’t know about POA as I never use it.