Eu referendum whats your vote

Bewick:
Spot on Buzzer we’re on the same wave length so lets hope everything works out for us ! But listening to those prats in The Commons it does make you wonder what the eventual outcome will be ! :frowning: Cheers Dennis.

The Commons what a fiasco today as the wee ■■■■■ from North of the boarders man got expelled for not returning to his seat when asked to by the speaker and then all the SNP representatives walked en mass just showing what childish pratts there are in parliament supposedly running our country,its laufable but i am not laughing Buzzer.

Bewick:
Spot on Buzzer we’re on the same wave length so lets hope everything works out for us ! But listening to those prats in The Commons it does make you wonder what the eventual outcome will be ! :frowning: Cheers Dennis.

But this is exactly my point Dennis, we as a country voted out without having a clue what the outcome would be. :open_mouth: There just were not enough concrete facts available and that was why I voted as I did. Yes, I voted remain, but haven’t gone on and on about the fact that we left, despite folk on here saying that ‘we remainers’ are doing just that, I just accepted it and to be honest at my age (67) it will make no difference to me whatever happens as my time has gone and I have lived most of my life in the EU and have done very well with it. To me (and I could be wrong) most of the noise on here at least appears to be coming from folk who have got what they voted for yet are still not happy and that is what really gets me confused. :confused:

Pete.

windrush:
To me (and I could be wrong) most of the noise on here at least appears to be coming from folk who have got what they voted for yet are still not happy and that is what really gets me confused. :confused:

Pete.

Me too, Pete, I have never heard so many people get so upset and slag off so many others…after winning. :open_mouth: :laughing:

Goodness knows what it’s going to be like when the truth hits home in a few years time. But, of course, as you say, many of those who condemned their country to perdition, won’t be there, it will be for the young who know what’s what, to try and pick up the pieces.

I hear what you say Spardo but you know as well as me that the question was very simple----- “do you want to be in or out” ! How would it have been possible to put forward every minute scenario of Pros and Cons ! we would still have been arguing the toss now and there wouldn’t have been a referendum ! Everything would have got bogged down with endless discussion which may be have been fine for the Remoaners but unacceptable to the 52% who voted out. The bollox that the likes of our local MP Farron spews out along the lines of “we might have voted to leave but no one has told us where we will end up” If the whole World had always had 20/20 vision into the future we would have had, I would suggest, a very peaceful 20th century ! But unfortunately we haven’t access to the future so how the hell can anyone spell out exactly what will happen in the coming years. One thing is for certain though I’ll be much happier when we get clear of the EU preferably with NO DEAL thus saving a fortune from day one. They need our trade more than we need theirs from what I can make out ! And if President Trump a.k.a. “The Donald” clamps down on all the EU imports to the USA the Frogs, Krauts and Cloggies will be begging us to buy their goods, and why not ! trade is trade after all as long as its fair ! Rant Over ! Cheers Dennis.

Bewick:
I hear what you say Spardo but you know as well as me that the question was very simple----- “do you want to be in or out” ! How would it have been possible to put forward every minute scenario of Pros and Cons ! we would still have been arguing the toss now and there wouldn’t have been a referendum ! Everything would have got bogged down with endless discussion which may be have been fine for the Remoaners but unacceptable to the 52% who voted out. The bollox that the likes of our local MP Farron spews out along the lines of “we might have voted to leave but no one has told us where we will end up” If the whole World had always had 20/20 vision into the future we would have had, I would suggest, a very peaceful 20th century ! But unfortunately we haven’t access to the future so how the hell can anyone spell out exactly what will happen in the coming years. One thing is for certain though I’ll be much happier when we get clear of the EU preferably with NO DEAL thus saving a fortune from day one. They need our trade more than we need theirs from what I can make out ! And if President Trump a.k.a. “The Donald” clamps down on all the EU imports to the USA the Frogs, Krauts and Cloggies will be begging us to buy their goods, and why not ! trade is trade after all as long as its fair ! Rant Over ! Cheers Dennis.

Just about the calmest and most reasonable post you’ve made over this whole sorry saga, Dennis, but that was the point. You were asked to vote for a leap in the dark, and many people could see that it wouldn’t turn out well.

It’s all very well you saying no deal and expecting the EU countries to come running because the Yanks have blanked them, but the Yanks will blank the UK just as readily with the orange clown in power. But he won’t always be there, maximum another 5 or 6 years, and maybe much less, and then if you get someone with a bit more nouse where will Britain be with the Yanks and the EU all pally again?

Sorry, but you have all made a very bad choice, and I take no pleasure in telling you so. It hasn’t hit you yet, like it has done us on this side of the Channel, but it will. And it will hurt.

Determined as I have been not to post on this thread…

Sorry Spardo, how do you know how it will hit us? We all remember how the world was going to collapse the moment we voted to leave. (Not when we actually left, but the day after counting was done.) David Cameron and George Osborne told us so. That hasn’t happened. Now, the remainers have shifted the goalposts to when we actually leave.

I think the ‘whinging’ by remainers and leavers differs. Leavers whinge because despite voting to leave, people who have huge influence and reason to keep the status quo keep trying to stop us leaving. Remainers whinge because they didn’t get the result they wanted, so they wish to change it…now!

No vote should be forever, as the remainers say, that is democracy. But we voted out. If it doesn’t work, as the remainers so fervently wish, then surely we should vote again. But not ‘now’. 5 or ten years down the line, or even 40 years hence (since the last vote, which actually was about the common market, not the United States of Europe, ruled by Germany) when all us grumpy leavers have died!

As Bewick says - If we could foresee the future we’d avoid all the mistakes. We’ve all done it, but we live in the present. I still think we were right to leave. I may be wrong.

The structure of the EU favours Germany and to a lesser extent France - certainly their farmers. I just don’t see the ‘disaster’ that is foretold by us leaving.

And for me, if the Scots vote to leave the UK, good for them, but let’s adjust the Barnett formula, now.

John.

Spardo
,first i applaud the work you do with the rescue of dogs the time and effort,in the 1980s i met a lady [no]while i was delivering in spain who specialised in rescuing greyhounds .i gave one of her colleagues a lift back to france [lille] BRAVO.

Tell me ,why do you spout/write so much verbale crap ,you left the country why the [zb] do you worry about what will happen to us ,no doubt we will survive with out you,yes it does wind me up ,if you leave ,you leave, adopt the new country that takes you in and embrace it ,you could not have been happy here,i think us/we ,who are here ,are.
if it was a wind up i took the bait…but i will be here to the end ,no deserting…dbp

So Spardo, just exactly what’s hit you on your now chosen side of the Channel then, worries about being turfed out of your holiday/retirement property if Brexit does actually happen? I sincerely hope we get what was voted for despite the best efforts of the self interested political elite trying their best to derail the process, the only thing I want derailed is the EU gravy train.

peggydeckboy:
Spardo
,first i applaud the work you do with the rescue of dogs the time and effort,in the 1980s i met a lady [no]while i was delivering in spain who specialised in rescuing greyhounds .i gave one of her colleagues a lift back to france [lille] BRAVO.

Tell me ,why do you spout/write so much verbale crap ,you left the country why the [zb] do you worry about what will happen to us ,no doubt we will survive with out you,yes it does wind me up ,if you leave ,you leave, adopt the new country that takes you in and embrace it ,you could not have been happy here,i think us/we ,who are here ,are.
if it was a wind up i took the bait…but i will be here to the end ,no deserting…dbp

As i said in my entry earlier this evening on this thread if you dont want to live in a country outside the EU then pack up your old kit bags and leave for the promised land as Spardo did, he now resides outside the UK and as PDB said why the hell is he worried what happens here in Blighty it should be of no concern to him he’s emigrated, Buzzer.

windrush:
But this is exactly my point Dennis, we as a country voted out without having a clue what the outcome would be. :open_mouth: There just were not enough concrete facts available and that was why I voted as I did. Yes, I voted remain, but haven’t gone on and on about the fact that we left, despite folk on here saying that ‘we remainers’ are doing just that, I just accepted it and to be honest at my age (67) it will make no difference to me whatever happens as my time has gone and I have lived most of my life in the EU and have done very well with it. To me (and I could be wrong) most of the noise on here at least appears to be coming from folk who have got what they voted for yet are still not happy and that is what really gets me confused. :confused:

Pete.

You and all the rest of the remainers obviously didn’t vote out so why do you say ‘we’.When it’s still a case of you v us.Because ‘your’ lot have no intention whatsoever of joining ‘us’ in leaving and you’re doing everything possible to ignore the vote and reverse the process.

Those of us who did vote out knew exactly what we wanted.No more EU blackmail in the form of us trading sovereignty and cash all for the privilege of being a net importer of EU goods.All of which being easily fixed in the form of leave means leave.

While everything that’s happened since is the predictable result of your lot hijacking the process,in the form of remainer May and Hammond and her remain ‘opposition’ in the form of the Lab/LibDem/SNP/DUP alliance,deliberately sabotaging it and then having the nerve to say oh look the process isn’t going anywhere so let’s stay in it.When you lot know that it’s not going anywhere because it’s you lot who are deliberately bleedin sabotaging it.

So no ‘we’ haven’t ‘got what we voted for’ at all.Because 2 years after the referendum result we’re still in the EU subject to all of its government rulings and still paying it for the privilege.With the government having no intention of Leaving whatsoever in the foreseeable future if ever.Just as would be expected when Cameron made sure that remainers not only took over ( hijacked ) the leadership of the process of Leaving but also in the knowledge that the remain orientated ‘opposition’ had no intention of honouring the referendum result either.Unless,as Bewick says and we all know,it had gone the remainers way.

I left to take up a job in a Union that was formed to make us all able freely to do so. Nothing worse than those who leave Scotland to work in England or Birmingham to live in London. A change of postcode to work in a place that I liked in a house that I could afford.

I, and thousands like me, despite all the allegations of desertion and divorce are bound inevitably and forever to the UK because of our, in many cases, 50 years or so of paying into that club with taxes and NI contributions. Many of us are still bound by law to continue paying those taxes to Britain, even though in many cases we are not allowed to vote for or against the government which controls our financial destiny.

How has it affected us? The pensioners amongst us, and there are many, and not all retired to come here, recieve the bulk of our pensions in sterling from the UK. Since the vote in 2016 when the pound took a dive as a result, our pensions have been devalued by 20%. We only keep our heads above water because, those of us who worked here, of our small French pensions. We take no holidays, except for a week on the Atlantic coast in a chalet, off season. We can’t afford to go anywhere else, certainly not to England. My own extensive travels are funded by others and I make no profit from them, only reimbursement of expenses.

I don’t know what the future holds for Britain outside the UK, nobody does, I can only express an opinion, and my opinion is that things will go very badly for the country in general. Many of the leavers in this thread seem to think that we won a war and so everybody will look after us, expecially the Yanks. If you think that that is true and there really is a special relationship, you’d better think again. It is a term little used or recognised elsewhere. If the US has a special relationship with anybody it is with Canada and Japan. And look how they have been betrayed in the last few days, Canada with tariffs and the tearing up of agreements, and Japan with having a bombshell dropped on them regarding US troop exercises. I said a little earlier that Trump’s antics, for it is him in both cases, that has done this himself and he won’t always be there. You may say he speaks for the American people, well yes but not all of them, not even a majority because of their flawed voting system, but the people who voted for him believe that he stands for the insular inward looking we don’t need anyone else attitude that I see in the, equally slight, majority that brought about this Brexit fiasco.

I want it to work for Britain, I want her currency to be strong again, why would I not? I depend on it for my livelihood, but I am crossing my fingers, not holding my breath.

Spardo:
I want it to work for Britain, I want her currency to be strong again, why would I not? I depend on it for my livelihood, but I am crossing my fingers, not holding my breath.

Absolutely.Like the 9 Swiss Francs and 2.4 USD to the pound as the exchange rate stood in 1972 before we joined the stinking EU you mean ?.Or do you prefer the 1.76 Swiss Francs and 1.62 USD it was worth in 2009 under Gordon Brown acting as one of your EU puppets.As for what it’s worth today you do know that we haven’t left the EU. :unamused:

Carryfast don’t know where you got the idea that the DUP are in alliance with Lab- Lib-Dems & the SNP as regards Brexit as from day one they called for a LEAVE vote and were the first to say No to a border down the Irish Sea thereby dividing the UK.

nigel2012:
Carryfast don’t know where you got the idea that the DUP are in alliance with Lab- Lib-Dems & the SNP as regards Brexit as from day one they called for a LEAVE vote and were the first to say No to a border down the Irish Sea thereby dividing the UK.

Define ‘border down the Irish Sea’ when you know that the ‘border’ in question is already there now even as an EU member state when anyone or anything enters the UK ‘mainland’ at Heathrow or Cairnryan etc.It’s only the ‘status’ of goods and people at that point which determines whether they are CTA/UK or non CTA/UK.Not the idea that we’ve got a wall with machine gun armed watchtowers anywhere either on land or sea.While obviously being subject to exactly the same responsibility to ‘establish’ that ‘status’ on landing on the mainland as every one or everything else entering it does.If that wasn’t the case Cairnryan and Heathrow etc would be a smuggler’s paradise for any contraband or illegal immigrants entering the UK mainland via Eire and NI.

As for the DUP supposedly supporting Leave.Oh wait.No Arlene the Leave vote was all about Leave means Leave.Which means no more EU rule here,full control over our immigration policy and no more EU ‘contributions’ and we ain’t going to get that with an EEA member state ( ’ soft Brexit ’ ) type deal and the lying DUP remainers know it.Just as they know that the Irish border would work just the same as it works now in the form of free movement for UK/CTA status but no longer for EU status.EU becoming just like non EU citizens and freight entering the UK via Eire now.

telegraph.co.uk/politics/0/W … n-ireland/

My god, CF, the word ‘fantasist’ does not even begin to cover your inane and delusional ravings. :laughing:

Spardo:
My god, CF, the word ‘fantasist’ does not even begin to cover your inane and delusional ravings. :laughing:

So you’re saying that you’d prefer that exchange rate of 2009 than 1972 ?.Or are you saying that you’re not prepared to believe the figures ?.

Or that there is nothing already in place stopping anyone bringing a load of illegal immigrants or contraband into the UK mainland via Eire and Cairnryan or Heathrow.

It’s clear who’s the delusional fantasist here as would be expected of a typical remainer who refuses to accept that the remainers lost the argument in 2016. :unamused:

I wonder if we will ever get a new political party emerging possibly called The Common Sense Party. With members who aren’t politically correct , who want to do their best for OUR country who want to promote sensible H&S who want to spend at home instead of giving money to other countries , who encourage our police to target muggers burglars drug dealers and the like instead of easy target motorists. Maybe we could look at the NHS funding in a different way with people who have not contributed to it get charged for treatment with insurance plans .Gey shut of the Human Rights Bill , Stop immigration and start moving back illegals and repeat offending foreign criminals .Maybe get some accountability from MPs who continually do the opposite to what they promised before election (we wouldn’t have any left) … i could go on but i will no doubt get slated by the lefties of this world but i can dream :wink:

ramone:
I wonder if we will ever get a new political party emerging possibly called The Common Sense Party. With members who aren’t politically correct , who want to do their best for OUR country who want to promote sensible H&S who want to spend at home instead of giving money to other countries , who encourage our police to target muggers burglars drug dealers and the like instead of easy target motorists. Maybe we could look at the NHS funding in a different way with people who have not contributed to it get charged for treatment with insurance plans .Gey shut of the Human Rights Bill , Stop immigration and start moving back illegals and repeat offending foreign criminals .Maybe get some accountability from MPs who continually do the opposite to what they promised before election (we wouldn’t have any left) … i could go on but i will no doubt get slated by the lefties of this world but i can dream :wink:

Ramone are you Walter Mitty in real life, love your idea its a goodun but cant see that happening any time soon and I aint got a lot of that left but a great idea Buzzer.

PS told you lot not to rise to CF he’s been planted.

Buzzer:

peggydeckboy:
Spardo
,first i applaud the work you do with the rescue of dogs the time and effort,in the 1980s i met a lady [no]while i was delivering in spain who specialised in rescuing greyhounds .i gave one of her colleagues a lift back to france [lille] BRAVO.

Tell me ,why do you spout/write so much verbale crap ,you left the country why the [zb] do you worry about what will happen to us ,no doubt we will survive with out you,yes it does wind me up ,if you leave ,you leave, adopt the new country that takes you in and embrace it ,you could not have been happy here,i think us/we ,who are here ,are.
if it was a wind up i took the bait…but i will be here to the end ,no deserting…dbp

As i said in my entry earlier this evening on this thread if you dont want to live in a country outside the EU then pack up your old kit bags and leave for the promised land as Spardo did, he now resides outside the UK and as PDB said why the hell is he worried what happens here in Blighty it should be of no concern to him he’s emigrated, Buzzer.

Buzzer,

I too have emigrated/retired away from the UK,to say what happens in Blighty shouldn’t be any concern of those who have left is simply wrong.
My pensions,both state and private are all Sterling derived and therefore set the standard of living that I have here in Portugal.
I also have family living in the UK,so I have a vested interest that the UK makes the right decisions and prospers where it can,so I have a very real concern in the future of the U.K. despite your comments.

David

ramone:
I wonder if we will ever get a new political party emerging possibly called The Common Sense Party. With members who aren’t politically correct , who want to do their best for OUR country

Doesn’t UKIP already fit that description ?.