3300John:
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anorak:
robert1952:
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anorak:
Regarding 3300John’s description of the roof of the MW cab- IE it was made by cutting up the smaller roof and inserting filler panels- why did ERF not simply take the standard Motor Panels wide/long roof, IE that fitted to the Crusader? The first Crusader was exhibited at Earls Court in 1968 (IIRC), so the panels would have been available in time for the introduction of the 3MW European.
The Crusader used the TALL version of the MP Mark 4 cab, as did the NGC 7MW and the French Mack. They were the only ones (as far as I know) to use that cab. Are you sure it shared the same roof as the 3MW or the 5MW or any other MW cabs? Just a thought. Robert
The width and length is the same, is it not? Maybe 3300John knows.
Hiya…1966 there was no full width cabs was there■■? the crusader come later… the big J wasn,t full width or the Seddon.
when i posted last time. i said the first ckd cabs we got was like on a 13/4 Seddon 4 wheeler(skinny little thing)in Day cab form.
we drilled out the spot welds and fitted the spacer which we had made then we modified the roof.(sorry you missed the fun, it was
serious at the time but thinking back it must have been like a panel shop full of a jig saw) if we made a interior panel it was taken away
to the trim shop 8ft away and covered in Ambler(leather cloth) then sneaked away into the fiber glass EXP shop 100 yards away (top floor of
the green shed behind the Blue 5MW)… after prep a mould would be taken with a paten in the glass fibre.just for another day.
John
I think John has a point. We are dealing with (at the very least) the Motor Panels mark 3 cab, the mark 4 cab and the the tall version of the mark 4 cab. I’ll see if I can dig out the definitions for the Motor Panels cabs - I have an article somewhere. Robert
The wide cabs- 3MW and 4MW- were available from 1968, the same year as the Crusader, so you would expect Motor Panels to provide the same panels to Scammell and ERF. Were ERF developing the wide Motor Panels cab independently of MP themselves?
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anorak:
The wide cabs- 3MW and 4MW- were available from 1968, the same year as the Crusader, so you would expect Motor Panels to provide the same panels to Scammell and ERF. Were ERF developing the wide Motor Panels cab independently of MP themselves?
I doubt if there are chronological cut-off points here, but I may be wrong. I’ll just put the ERFs into context here, if it helps (I’m no expert on MP cabs, and if anyone disagrees, then shout!).
Motor Panels mark 2 cabs included the L.A.D. range (Leyland, Albion & Dodge).
Motor Panels mark 3 cabs included the Guy J, Seddon 13-4, Foden S40 and ERF MV.
Motor Panels mark 4 cabs included the FTF, Raba, ERF 3-6MW, ERF 7MW, Scammell Crusader, and French Mack - the last 3 of which used a special, tall version of the mark 4 cab.
Motor Panels mark 5 cabs included the Foden Fleetmaster & Haulmaster, Scammell Commander/Nubian and Seddon Atkinson 400 etc. It morphed into the C40 range and developed.
The ERF cabs for the period we are (collectively) interested in at the moment, seems to cover just the mark 3 and 4. I hope this helps. Robert
robert1952:
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anorak:
The wide cabs- 3MW and 4MW- were available from 1968, the same year as the Crusader, so you would expect Motor Panels to provide the same panels to Scammell and ERF. Were ERF developing the wide Motor Panels cab independently of MP themselves?
I doubt if there are chronological cut-off points here, but I may be wrong. I’ll just put the ERFs into context here, if it helps (I’m no expert on MP cabs, and if anyone disagrees, then shout!).
Motor Panels mark 2 cabs included the L.A.D. range (Leyland, Albion & Dodge).
Motor Panels mark 3 cabs included the Guy J, Seddon 13-4, Foden S40 and ERF MV.
Motor Panels mark 4 cabs included the FTF, Raba, ERF 3-6MW, ERF 7MW, Scammell Crusader, and French Mack - the last 3 of which used a special, tall version of the mark 4 cab.
Motor Panels mark 5 cabs included the Foden Fleetmaster & Haulmaster, Scammell Commander/Nubian and Seddon Atkinson 400 etc. It morphed into the C40 range and developed.
yes but MP only supplied the panels (not a built cab) it wasn’t until well into the 70s the cabs come built up.
John
3300John:
robert1952:
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anorak:
The wide cabs- 3MW and 4MW- were available from 1968, the same year as the Crusader, so you would expect Motor Panels to provide the same panels to Scammell and ERF. Were ERF developing the wide Motor Panels cab independently of MP themselves?
I doubt if there are chronological cut-off points here, but I may be wrong. I’ll just put the ERFs into context here, if it helps (I’m no expert on MP cabs, and if anyone disagrees, then shout!).
Motor Panels mark 2 cabs included the L.A.D. range (Leyland, Albion & Dodge).
Motor Panels mark 3 cabs included the Guy J, Seddon 13-4, Foden S40 and ERF MV.
Motor Panels mark 4 cabs included the FTF, Raba, ERF 3-6MW, ERF 7MW, Scammell Crusader, and French Mack - the last 3 of which used a special, tall version of the mark 4 cab.
Motor Panels mark 5 cabs included the Foden Fleetmaster & Haulmaster, Scammell Commander/Nubian and Seddon Atkinson 400 etc. It morphed into the C40 range and developed.
END OF QUOTE
yes but MP only supplied the panels (not a built cab) it wasn’t until well into the 70s the cabs come built up.
John
I’ve just edited your post so that what you said and what I said are not mixed up. 
Robert 
This Trans Arabia 5MW pic was kindly sent to me this morning by Jerry Cooke. Robert
Regarding the sheet metalwork techniques used to make the wide version of the MP cab, early Crusaders seemed to have a fabricated roof, similar to that described by 3300John:
The later ones had a ribbed roof, like the 7MW:
hiya i ve seen photo’s of that Scammell before and never noticed the extra bit in the middle of the roof to make it wider.
i believe that was the first crusader…Bass was big users of trunker units maybe thats why this one was sent to Bass
3300John:
hiya i ve seen photo’s of that Scammell before and never noticed the extra bit in the middle of the roof to make it wider.
i believe that was the first crusader…Bass was big users of trunker units maybe thats why this one was sent to Bass
There’s a good photo of Crusader No.1 here:
protruckservices.com/apps/ph … d=63656425
The picture shows it being built in time for the 1968 Earls Court Show. This would have been about the same time that the 3/4MW cabs were introduced. Here’s another early Crusader, showing the roof:
Please spend a separate thread on cabs! We now reached Scammell’s and what will come next?
Bear in mind a cab is just a part of assembly but apparently it is a very important part to some
En-Tour-Age:
Please spend a separate thread on cabs! We now reached Scammell’s and what will come next?
Bear in mind a cab is just a part of assembly but appatently it is a very important part to some
The development and manufacturing process of the cab used on the vehicles described in the original post is entirely relevant to the thread. These steel-cabbed ERFs are already spread over such an excess of threads, it is almost impossible to remember where facts have been posted. Starting another thread would be stupid.
If you don’t like it, don’t f.ing read it.
I hear you but don’t read you
ERF-Continental:
@Anorak…I agree with Alex…keep this thread pure please…you seem to gain pleasure
in attracting people to post and when they do you beat them, stop this arrogance and I
did ‘warn’ you, stop with posting daft questions when you later doubten the answers.
You yourself screwed the Scania-Vabis-thread on the Dutch LV which is dead for some weeks.
I will not stop to post and add on this medium but please stop your Judge John Deed over here!
Made-up, imagined nonsense. Get off my back, you pair of bloody nutters.
Now you show yourself as a genuine man with balls however no wheels bye bye
ERF was never going to use as many cabs as Scammell…think straight…Scammell government owned…army need heavy duty lorries
who will we buy…not ERF…
plenty of privateers used crusaders so MP would be working flat out to supply one cab companies not someone who had a plastic
cab selling like mad LV or SP…ERF was perhaps just testing the water. after all ERF didn’t know how the sp B series would stand up in
testing until 1974.
3300John:
ERF was never going to use as many cabs as Scammell…think straight…Scammell government owned…army need heavy duty lorries
who will we buy…not ERF…
plenty of privateers used crusaders so MP would be working flat out to supply one cab companies not someone who had a plastic
cab selling like mad LV or SP…ERF was perhaps just testing the water. after all ERF didn’t know how the sp B series would stand up in
testing until 1974.
The question is what was going on behind the scenes that resulted in the situation of the obsolete Crusader and ERF 5 MW both still being used well ‘after’ the introduction of the SA 400 cab.Not withstanding ERF also going with both the 7 MW NGC and SP B series together at around the same time.Everything points to some strange ‘issues’ taking place with MP’s production and marketing policies.Bearing in mind that 400 cabbed development of both the Crusader and NGC as of 1975 would seem the logical way to go rather than T45 and B series respectively… 
En-Tour-Age:
Bear in mind a cab is just a part of assembly but apparently it is a very important part to some
To be fair if that wasn’t the case then ERF could have just standardised on the LV instead of bothering with 5 MW let alone 7 MW.While Volvo could have stayed with the F88 cab instead of bothering with the F10/12. 
