3300John:
ERF-Continental:
Why didn’t Boalloy ‘jump’ into the gap of cabs…as ERF was and wanted to remain an assembler?
Hiya…that’s an easy one…GENTLEMEN’S AGREEMENT…Jennings helped Edwin Foden out when he needed cabs.
i’ll bet there was no contract just a friendly agreement…now here goes Beeches garage ERF main agent in Stoke was owned by
the Edwards family(but it was know by its previous owner) mr Edwards had a fibre glass works in Keel st Tunstall. they made fibre
glass panels for ERF years ago they also made fibre glass mudguards for ERF and Foden. there was 3 sons in the Edwards family
they at one time was directors at ERF…they also made Kitcar bodies…guess who has one.
when you think about these cabs made of wood frame and glass fibre. Boalloy is in Congleton… Jennings in Sandbach
Foden in Elworth and Edwards in Tunstall…all these companies had workers traveling from one town to another.
there was people who lived in Congleton traveled to ERF or Fodens. my foreman come from near Tunstall and in fact worked at
Wilsons who made moulds for Edwards before he joined Jennings so some people carried skills from one company to another.
Beeches garage now at Cliff vale in Stoke still carries its original owners name but is now i think owned by the Davey family
who was a Stoke haulier who used mostly ERF lorries in their fleet
Some very interesting inter-connections there, John! You mentioned Beeches Garage in Stoke: that’s where GEH 513N changed hands from Albert Dale to John Simmonds! Robert 
robert1952:
3300John:
ERF-Continental:
Why didn’t Boalloy ‘jump’ into the gap of cabs…as ERF was and wanted to remain an assembler?
Hiya…that’s an easy one…GENTLEMEN’S AGREEMENT…Jennings helped Edwin Foden out when he needed cabs.
i’ll bet there was no contract just a friendly agreement…now here goes Beeches garage ERF main agent in Stoke was owned by
the Edwards family(but it was know by its previous owner) mr Edwards had a fibre glass works in Keel st Tunstall. they made fibre
glass panels for ERF years ago they also made fibre glass mudguards for ERF and Foden. there was 3 sons in the Edwards family
they at one time was directors at ERF…they also made Kitcar bodies…guess who has one.
when you think about these cabs made of wood frame and glass fibre. Boalloy is in Congleton… Jennings in Sandbach
Foden in Elworth and Edwards in Tunstall…all these companies had workers traveling from one town to another.
there was people who lived in Congleton traveled to ERF or Fodens. my foreman come from near Tunstall and in fact worked at
Wilsons who made moulds for Edwards before he joined Jennings so some people carried skills from one company to another.
Beeches garage now at Cliff vale in Stoke still carries its original owners name but is now i think owned by the Davey family
who was a Stoke haulier who used mostly ERF lorries in their fleet
Some very interesting inter-connections there, John! You mentioned Beeches Garage in Stoke: that’s where GEH 513N changed hands from Albert
Dale to John Simmonds! Robert
Turner brothers had the 5 mw from Beeches which was Albert,s old lorry before GEH…Andrew Thompson had his LHD “B” series from them… Albert was a good customer for Beeches.
For what it’s worth, here’s a picture I took through the windscreen of KCH 95N in the Staffordshire countryside.
The LV-cabbed 8-legger parked next to KCH also belongs to the Corbishleys. I sat in that LV cab in the driver’s seat and boy, did it feel cramped after the big 7MW cab! Robert
Forgive me being that thorough…and ERF-P might confirm…but I remain
harsh on some details as:
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position as well as type of indicators
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grab handles on the cab, since 197X ?
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type of mirrors and the relevant brackets, ‘strnge’ west-coast’s
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pull jaw, with and without tear-drop plates
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visor
ERF-Continental:
Forgive me being that thorough…and ERF-P might confirm…but I remain
harsh on some details as:
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position as well as type of indicators
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grab handles on the cab, since 197X ?
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type of mirrors and the relevant brackets, ‘strnge’ west-coast’s
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pull jaw, with and without tear-drop plates
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visor
Are you sure that these are still important issues, A-J? Here are my observations in an attempt to answer your questions. They are only my opinions, however.
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The indicators were varied and were of the types issued during that period. Indicators are vulnerable to damage and would have been legally replaceable with whatever was available.
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Very loosely, the grab handles seem to appear from '74 onwards, but that whole plastic front panel would have been replaced in the event of an accident so I don’t think we can ‘date’ lorries by their handles.
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Mirrors, like indicators, are also extremely vulnerable and were likely to be replaced by whatever was available, or in the bin.
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I’m afraid I’ve never heard of tear-drop plates, but I’ve just Googled it and I think it’s what I know as ‘tread plate’ or ‘chequer plate’. This, of course, would only have been added by hauliers, as there is no consistency in its application to the footsteps above the bumpers, to catwalks, or indeed to anywhere else on these units.
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ERF factory visors were only fitted as an optional extra (as were all visors in those days, as far as I know). The Dutch appear to have favoured those plastic, coloured, transparent visors that they fitted to every make of lorry in the '70s, and which would have been considerably cheaper. Even in the '90s you could buy them over the counter at the big truck stop shop in Zeebrugge, Belgium, if I remember rightly!
Robert 
The discovery (see p140/1in Dai Davies’s ERF history book) that Gemco of Athens was ERF’s Greek distributor from 1967 (or before that) of LHD units that were not CKDs, probably for the following ten years (because we know that at least four LHD B-series ERFs went to Greece) begs the burning question: were any ERF NGCs sold in Greece? Robert
I checked…and 1967 is the date…in 1974 Gemco Ltd (St. Avropoulos-LEP Tourgos SA at Lecforos Athinon)
in 33-35 Athens, were still with ERF so the chance some NGC’s came into Greece is a valid one.
Even Austria (with a to be negociated main dealer in Graz and a service agent in Linz) was on the continental
map around 1977, actually a bit too late for the NGC’s but probably some B-series there?
Also former Yugoslavia (with two to be negociated main dealers in Zagreb and Beograd) was aimed for expansion.
Same can be said from Italy with a service agent in Milan-region, doubtful if that really was established.
I’ve just visited the Old Pond (publishers) website and it appears that Lorries of Arabia: ERF NGC is now available. Enjoy! oldpond.com/
Robert
Sample page, as released by Old pond:
Congratulations Robert with this milestone and I hope sales of this described gem will be TOP!
ERF-Continental:
Congratulations Robert with this milestone and I hope sales of this described gem will be TOP!
Thank you, A-J! I now look forward to receiving my copy. Robert
I am convinced that the 256 pages will give all readers fun, nice memories and a lot of information!
ERF-Continental:
I am convinced that the 256 pages will give all readers fun, nice memories and a lot of information!
256? 
No, I think it’s about 94! 
I’ve been told that it goes on Amazon on Monday.
Robert
Well Amazon and others state 256 pages since several months…paperback-version
So one page per NGC and the remainder for cover, foreword and sources…lol
ERF-Continental:
So one page per NGC and the remainder for cover, foreword and sources…lol
Yes, a page for each NGC!
Don’t take too much notice of what booksellers write online. I’ve seen all sorts of wild things stated about books before. Amazon have got mine down as a 256 page hard back out on 30th April, when clearly its a 94 page soft back out on 30th March! Another seller describes the book as: ‘A personal account of driving trucks to and across the Middle East’, which it definitely is not! Just take them with a pinch of salt. 
Robert
