To my opinion (anorak/saviem) ■■■■■■■ was quite established in France…due to various sectors
as construction, mining, marine, generators and automotive, but merely because of the experience
many operators had after WW2 with the army surplus…also Mack, White, Autocar and other US-
trucks found a well-spread bed to proceed, the need for spare parts was enormous as many operators
were tinkering and making their trucks operational. With all respect, I can’t and will not speak for DD
as in BeNeLux it was not a very common engine…but in FTF’s and GMC’s DD found it’s customers…
3300John:
Hiya …those stupid indicators was a waste of time like on the last photo PDF444. when i had a late A series
with the plastic stick out indicators when i was scooting round sheeting or roping up i’ve been know to knock
them off. the early two half indicators was better. or the tight fitting ones in a earlier MW photo.
i have in the garage a pair of the later white plastic indicators PM me if you need them. they’re 2 nd hand.
John
I agree John that they were vulnerable. I can never quite understand why the earlier designed 5MW cab had more sophisticated indicators than the 7MW! Either way, they were a damned sight cheaper and easier to replace than today’s offerings. I wish I had an ERF NGC to fit yours to!! Robert 
ERF-Continental:
To my opinion (anorak/saviem) ■■■■■■■ was quite established in France…due to various sectors
as construction, mining, marine, generators and automotive, but merely because of the experience
many operators had after WW2 with the army surplus…also Mack, White, Autocar and other US-
trucks found a well-spread bed to proceed, the need for spare parts was enormous as many operators
were tinkering and making their trucks operational. With all respect, I can’t and will not speak for DD
as in BeNeLux it was not a very common engine…but in FTF’s and GMC’s DD found it’s customers…In case a ■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■■ is available between the Bollinger and doubtfull rosé…give a yell! A-J
■■■■■■■ was quite well established, with gaps, but known about right down to the Middle-East. And so it should have been! These strong, reliable and - above all - durable lorry engines, along with Fuller gearboxes, were probably the best thing to come out of America since the Pilgrim Fathers set out on their adventures! (Call me a cynic, if you must - not Bollinger for me tonight but a well-established Egyptian lager beer called Saqqara - actually better than a lot of Euro-fiz, but as the evening call to prayer floats into the evening air from countless mosques I have to say I’d kill for a pint of Faversham-brewed Shepherd Neame)… Where was I? Oh yes! ■■■■■■■■ what music; love 'em. Pic below shows Trans Arabia 139 again: the same NGC unit A-J posted on this page in its Groenenboom livery with a container. Robert
ERF-Continental:
And…the indicators are not equally in sync with the white stripe…forget about Thibaut…it will somehow pop up or not.
Yep! I think you are right to dis-count Thibaut. The trouble is, there were so many NGCs in that standard white roof and factory painted ‘rocket red’ ERF livery! All of Trans Arabia for a start, Vermeulen of Holland, one of the French ones, and Thibaut of course; and all the demonstrators. A-J you did suggest demonstrators before, and this could well be one of them. Robert
fryske:
Suedehead:
fryske:
A survivor
Tadge of photoshop going on there imo?
Enlighten me then?
Call me daft but is the similar to a 73 model guy big j4t?
Not daft at all…this ERF NGC-series has the Motor Panels-cab…and feel confident
there are quite some participants over here to tell more about common things with regard
to your big J…I guess ‘stanier’ (who owns a big J) might enlighten a lot.
Nice weekend, regards, A-J
Bugsyb:
fryske:
Suedehead:
fryske:
A survivor
Tadge of photoshop going on there imo?
Enlighten me then?
Call me daft but is the similar to a 73 model guy big j4t?
Hello Bugsb, If you go back to page 15 on this thread to my posting, about half-way down at 9:53am, you can find what I wrote about this Motor Panels cab. Various versions of it went to several different manufacturers of the era, including as you say the Guy Big-J which had a day-cab as standard but sleeper conversions could be made. Someone correct me if I’m wrong but I think the Guy had a development of the Motor Panels Mark 3 cab, whereas lorries like the Scammell Crusader and this ERF NGC had the TALL version of the Mark 4. Robert
Hiya not knock
Now that the FTF came on stage and for those who collect measures…
herewith the front- and backcover of a Dutch leaflet. A-J
I don’t know if there is a special thread on FTF or Motorpanels, but feel
free to request as I also have specification-sheets to share on FTF
hiya all
3300John:
Hiya …long doors…i know Jennings did have something to do with FTF but don’t really know anything.
we could have done something to a cab then wooooosh away it would go, never to be seen again.
it looks like the front mud wings on the FTF are sheared with the MW7. that would be and Expensive press
for them…I was thinking earlier today that front panel on the 7MW must have cost quite a lot when so
few cabs were made, the 5MW front top would have been modified Seddon no problem. the 7MW is out
on its own, i know Scania 140 have been mentioned the panels are not alike.well i wouldn’t like to try to fit one.
John
The 7MW front panel, corners and grille are fibreglass, unless I am mistaken, so that would reduce the tooling cost considerably. That cost would have been spread more, if ERF had made an effort to market the 7MW cab with other engine options, IMO.
As one or two of us have said before, the 5MW was a far better-looking lorry. I wonder what the higher-mounted 7 would have looked like, with a 5-type frontal treatment? Bma.finland, your services are required! 
Anorak…with all respect…let’s leave behind the discussions on what was right…
imagine Edwin Richard Foden really DID retire…there was no ERF at all, and a lot of
UK operators would ‘gain’ from Gardner’s engines in other makes. What about Gardner
in Middle East? Even other countries…Germany: no way, France: same story etc…
Al other things are emotional and past tense meanwhile. Don’t feel it as an attack, just
feet on the ground and history is written… A-J
3300John:
Hiya not knock anyone an 1inch here and there can go by not noticed like when i pointed out the roof widening panel
some may not have seen this. like with KCH she has short doors where the guy has long doors the 5 MW has a slightly
different door to KCH. there is a arc at the bottom of the door where as KCH is level all the way across. KCH is also
wider than a Guy or Seddon cab.but only with panels fitted at motorpanels…bugsyb the door frames/doors back panel
and roof are the same as a big J and Seddon 13/four range along with the Crusader and FTF not to mention some mobile
Crane cabs they have just been cut and reworked.
Robert on the recovery lorry photo(under the bridge) the diesel tank looks quite forward, would this
say more unit than 4 wheeler. i would think a tank would be further back on a rigid to take some weight of the front axle.
only thinking out loud
cheers John
There yer go Busgb: from the horse’s mouth - this man used to build the damned things! By the way, 3300John, that is an excellent observation, mate, I had not noticed the positioning of the tanks on the wrecker. As you say, this was probably a tractive unit conversion. Best wishes, Robert
Hey, there we are…rigids/drawbar were and will remain rare…so indeed a tractive
was most likely re-sexed!!!
ERF-Continental:
Now that the FTF came on stage and for those who collect measures…
herewith the front- and backcover of a Dutch leaflet. A-JI don’t know if there is a special thread on FTF or Motorpanels, but feel
free to request as I also have specification-sheets to share on FTF
Yes there are threads on Motor Panels, FTFs galore!, and the different versions of Motor Panels over the years. Explore the back-threads of TruckNet, dear boy, and you’ll find an Alladin’s cave of marvels for any intrigued lorryist! As a Dutchman you may be interested in the huge FTF and Ginaf input on Fikr. I wish you happy surfing! Robert
ERF-Continental:
Anorak…with all respect…let’s leave behind the discussions on what was right…
imagine Edwin Richard Foden really DID retire…there was no ERF at all, and a lot of
UK operators would ‘gain’ from Gardner’s engines in other makes. What about Gardner
in Middle East? Even other countries…Germany: no way, France: same story etc…Al other things are emotional and past tense meanwhile. Don’t feel it as an attack, just
feet on the ground and history is written… A-J
Dear old Anorak, I agree with ERF-Continental here. We might wonder what the LHD Krupp-cabbed Atkinson of the late '60s might have achieved if it had been equipped with a ■■■■■■■ 335 and 9-speed Fuller instead of a 220 Rolls and a 6-speed ZF!
Having said that, Anorak, you do have a really important point about the 5MW /7MW cab. I have created an ‘artists impression’ using PAINT on the internet, to create a version of what I imagine a fictitious ERF ‘Arabian’ to be, complete with 7MW grille and 5MW split windscreen. What a laugh, it’s a really good image, but the TruckNet machine won’t let me upload it because it thinks it has been photoshopped! Yes, it has been photoshopped! But you can’t have it! Ma’alesh, ya habayeebi! Robert 
So very much true!!! Walk/Truck like an Egyptian would be the next BANGLES - hit!!!
robert1952:
ERF-Continental:
Anorak…with all respect…let’s leave behind the discussions on what was right…
imagine Edwin Richard Foden really DID retire…there was no ERF at all, and a lot of
UK operators would ‘gain’ from Gardner’s engines in other makes. What about Gardner
in Middle East? Even other countries…Germany: no way, France: same story etc…Al other things are emotional and past tense meanwhile. Don’t feel it as an attack, just
feet on the ground and history is written… A-JDear old Anorak, I agree with ERF-Continental here. We might wonder what the LHD Krupp-cabbed Atkinson of the late '60s might have achieved if it had been equipped with a ■■■■■■■ 335 and 9-speed Fuller instead of a 220 Rolls and a 6-speed ZF!
Having said that, Anorak, you do have a really important point about the 5MW /7MW cab. I have created an ‘artists impression’ using PAINT on the internet, to create a version of what I imagine a fictitious ERF ‘Arabian’ to be, complete with 7MW grille and 5MW split windscreen. What a laugh, it’s a really good image, but the TruckNet machine won’t let me upload it because it thinks it has been photoshopped! Yes, it has been photoshopped! But you can’t have it! Ma’alesh, ya habayeebi! Robert
Robert have you tried ( open it in paint then look to save as and select save as jpeg ) as this does work with some pictures which are not of the correct format
cheers Johnnie
Such poise, such elegance - Motor Panels cabs were not just a utility design… Robert
sammyopisite:
robert1952:
ERF-Continental:
Anorak…with all respect…let’s leave behind the discussions on what was right…
imagine Edwin Richard Foden really DID retire…there was no ERF at all, and a lot of
UK operators would ‘gain’ from Gardner’s engines in other makes. What about Gardner
in Middle East? Even other countries…Germany: no way, France: same story etc…Al other things are emotional and past tense meanwhile. Don’t feel it as an attack, just
feet on the ground and history is written… A-JDear old Anorak, I agree with ERF-Continental here. We might wonder what the LHD Krupp-cabbed Atkinson of the late '60s might have achieved if it had been equipped with a ■■■■■■■ 335 and 9-speed Fuller instead of a 220 Rolls and a 6-speed ZF!
Having said that, Anorak, you do have a really important point about the 5MW /7MW cab. I have created an ‘artists impression’ using PAINT on the internet, to create a version of what I imagine a fictitious ERF ‘Arabian’ to be, complete with 7MW grille and 5MW split windscreen. What a laugh, it’s a really good image, but the TruckNet machine won’t let me upload it because it thinks it has been photoshopped! Yes, it has been photoshopped! But you can’t have it! Ma’alesh, ya habayeebi! Robert
Robert have you tried ( open it in paint then look to save as and select save as jpeg ) as this does work with some pictures which are not of the correct format
cheers Johnnie
Well I have tried what you suggest and even tried re-doing it in picasa. It remains a jpeg but TN does’nt like it! Robert