You’ll recall that Shamara converted an NGC (almost certainly PDF 444R from Vijore) to 6x4 and used it to form part of a push-pull combination with their Scammell Samson pulling Pirelli cables. The NGC was re-registered Q691 NTR. I’ve just noticed that the Scammell was registered Q362 NTR. Interesting, that. Robert
STRAIGHT EIGHT:
Intresting thread this one, does anybody know where the Q-plate example run by Shamara southhampton came from?? Tony Kimber ran it on container work in the mid 80’s as a 4x2 and later on i think he converted it into a 6x4 heavy haulage unit to push a cable carrying girder trailer with his Scammell Samson. Who owned it berfore Samara and where is it now i wonder??
Regards, Chris.
The devil, as always, is in the detail. This post was from 17th Jan 2014 so it’s three years old! Belatedly, thank you ‘Straight eight’ for confirming this. Some of us have long thought that they were one and the same vehicle. To answer your question after all this time(!), it was one of Vijore’s (Eric Vick / Richard Read / Tony Jones) units bought for Middle-East work and it even went to Pakistan. Pictures further back on this thread show it intact but in a breaker’s yard. Robert
Good morning. To those working from my most recent NGC register, I’ve updated it. I have now conflated the doubles: 70a/70b; 71a/71b; and 72a/72b so that they are now 70, 71 and 72. I have also given the ‘rumoured’ units (A, B and C) the numbers 74, 75 and 76 for consistency but still kept them in a section at the end.
Cheers, Robert
Oh, and here’s a pic of the Scammell Samson that push-pulled the Pirelli trailer with ERF NGC Q691 NTR. robert
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Oh, and here’s a pic of the Scammell Amazon that push-pulled the Pirelli trailer with ERF NGC Q691 NTR. robert0
That one is a Samson. The Amazon was a “heavy” 6x4… or was it the other way round?
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Oh, and here’s a pic of the Scammell Amazon that push-pulled the Pirelli trailer with ERF NGC Q691 NTR. robert0
That one is a Samson. The Amazon was a “heavy” 6x4… or was it the other way round?
Quite right! Don’t know why I put Amazon, when I had called it a Samson in the post above it!! I’ve now edited the post to which you refer. Thank you for spotting that! Robert
DEANB:
Cant remember if this one has been on here before ?0
That livery makes the most of the European’s styling, does it not?
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Cant remember if this one has been on here before ?That livery makes the most of the European’s styling, does it not?
I have reservations about that, because any waistband directly below the point where the grille protrudes seems, IMO, to accentuate rather than soften the sticky-outness effect! Here’s another example. Robert
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anorak:DEANB:
Cant remember if this one has been on here before ?1
That livery makes the most of the European’s styling, does it not?
I have reservations about that, because any waistband directly below the point where the grille protrudes seems, IMO, to accentuate rather than soften the sticky-outness effect! Here’s another example. Robert
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Nice pic Robert, has that been on before as i dont remember it ?
Whos livery is that , De Regt ?
DEANB:
robert1952:
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anorak:DEANB:
Cant remember if this one has been on here before ?1
That livery makes the most of the European’s styling, does it not?
I have reservations about that, because any waistband directly below the point where the grille protrudes seems, IMO, to accentuate rather than soften the sticky-outness effect! Here’s another example. Robert
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Nice pic Robert, has that been on before as i dont remember it ?
Whos livery is that , De Regt ?
Yes Dean, it’s been on here before. And yes, De Regt ran it in the livery of Nabek, as shown above. Cheers, Robert
DEANB did suggest to me a possible link between the Pesanti picture of a French NGC at the Italian border and the elusive Prooi unit. I’ve had another think about that. Prooi operated from Barendrecht NL, where several other hauliers ran NGCs at the time. In fact Barendrecht seems to have been the NGC capital of Holland! The livery is remarkably similar to that of Prooi, so I’m wondering if perhaps this unit passed from Prooi to Best Trucks Imports (ERF dealer near Rotterdam) to Mabo (their counterpart in France) for onward 2nd-hand sale to a French owner-driver who just kept it in Prooi’s livery minus the signwriting. All conjecture, of course; but we’ve seen other NGCs crossing borders to join new operators. Compare the liveries below: olive-green cab with white roof and cream grille. Any thoughts? Robert
I was emailed this fantastic Motor Panels brochure this morning. It features (what I know as) the Mark 4 cab. On this thread we’ve seen a fair bit of info on MP’s Mark 5 ‘Transcontinental’ that never went into production; but this brochure shows their earlier EUROPEAN SLEEPER CAB.
I love the pragmatic description of the doors on page two. A variety of sub-versions is shown on the final page, and it appears that the NGC’s 7MW cab was derived from the ‘Type 3’ version in the diagrams. Fascinating stuff! Robert
Some intresting stuff on the net about Motor Panels. I never knew they built the Bluebird car !
(Sorry for going a bit off topic but intresting stuff )
Back on topic ! Made some unusal cabs.
Brilliant! The top two are new pictures to me, Dean. As far as I can make out, the top one shows Willemstein’s DB-77-52 in its final Wilheminakade (a client) livery. The 2nd one down shows Willemstein’s 87-69-RB while he ran it in the livery of Goedkoop de Geus. The bottom pic we’ve seen before and shows the same unit in Nabek (again, a client) livery whilst owned by De Regt. The middle picture is particularly interesting because it’s the first clear one I’ve seen of it in that livery (we have a fuzzy one, if you remember - see below). A really good find! Cheers, Robert
Notice the extent to which Cees Willemstein has blanked out the side and rear windows against the icy winds blowing across the polders! Very wise too, in my opinion. The rear windows aren’t just painted over, they’re boarded up! Robert
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Brilliant! The top two are new pictures to me, Dean. As far as I can make out, the top one shows Willemstein’s DB-77-52 in its final Wilheminakade (a client) livery. The 2nd one down shows Willemstein’s 87-69-RB while he ran it in the livery of Goedkoop de Geus. The bottom pic we’ve seen before and shows the same unit in Nabek (again, a client) livery whilst owned by De Regt. The middle picture is particularly interesting because it’s the first clear one I’ve seen of it in that livery (we have a fuzzy one, if you remember - see below). A really good find! Cheers, Robert0
Wim,does not have many pics of the lorry in the livery Goedkoop de Geus,so probably as good as we
will get on that one.
Used an online translation site for this advert. Its bit hit and miss but you get the idea !
Click on the pages as becomes much clearer for reading.
DEANB:
Used an online translation site for this advert. Its bit hit and miss but you get the idea !
Nice one - and thanks for the translation! It’s useful to see the whole page advert, as hitherto we’ve only had the picture and caption (see below). The unit is the one belonging to Mentre who ran a sizeable tipper fleet at the time. Robert
