robert1952:
Loste had also White-tractors as can been seen on the accompanying picture
showing the first Road Commander taken at the end of their yard mid-eighties.
I notice that one of Loste’s NGCs is just visible in the background 
. Robert
robert1952:
I notice that one of Loste’s NGCs is just visible in the background
That’s correct, I however don’t know how many NGCs they had in their fleet which was quite
a mix of Anglo-Americans and Dutch DAFs.
By the way, no doubt that the both Cauvas-chassis (4x2 and 6x4) were DIFFERENT as is quite
visible by the many details like the tandem and cab! So for your register TWO NGCs of which
one FALSE FRIEND with a 8MWcab on the ex-Hye.
No hard feelings but please stop to offend towards input given
Macadam-woman:
robert1952:
I notice that one of Loste’s NGCs is just visible in the backgroundThat’s correct, I however don’t know how many NGCs they had in their fleet which was quite
a mix of Anglo-Americans and Dutch DAFs.By the way, no doubt that the both Cauvas-chassis (4x2 and 6x4) were DIFFERENT as is quite
visible by the many details like the tandem and cab! So for your register TWO NGCs of which
one FALSE FRIEND with a 8MWcab on the ex-Hye.No hard feelings but please stop to offend towards input given
Macadam-women,
Nice picture of the White. With regard to Cauvas NGC ,the pictures indicate that the 4x2 and 6x4 both
have the same registeration ? I dont know anything about French registration plates, but would that not
mean they are the same vehicle ■■
Hi, Robert,
There’s probably a simple explanation for the query that has popped into my one remaining brain cell, but, can you shed any light on the observation that both the demonstrator/Beech’s/Grocott unit and the last one in the series are both carrying Gloucestershire registration plates? Any connection with Richard Read/Eric Vick?
DEANB:
Macadam-woman:
robert1952:
I notice that one of Loste’s NGCs is just visible in the backgroundThat’s correct, I however don’t know how many NGCs they had in their fleet which was quite
a mix of Anglo-Americans and Dutch DAFs.By the way, no doubt that the both Cauvas-chassis (4x2 and 6x4) were DIFFERENT as is quite
visible by the many details like the tandem and cab! So for your register TWO NGCs of which
one FALSE FRIEND with a 8MWcab on the ex-Hye.No hard feelings but please stop to offend towards input given
Macadam-women,
Nice picture of the White. With regard to Cauvas NGC ,the pictures indicate that the 4x2 and 6x4 both
have the same registeration ? I dont know anything about French registration plates, but would that not
mean they are the same vehicle ■■
Yes Dean, you appear to be right. If the Nye unit acquired an 8MW cab, it would not be registered 8264RW95 because this was already a Cauvas 4x2 unit. If Cauvas had a re-cabbed MCC, it would have a different registration number.
‘Macadam-woman’ makes the point that the chassis is different. I don’t see that this signifies anything because if you chop the rear end off a 4x2 and replace it with a double-drive bogie, of course the chassis will look different - just like the Eyckmanns unit did. He/she also states that the cab is different. I disagree: I can see no significant changes in the cab at all.
If the Nye unit really was re-cabbed with an 8MW cab and sold to Cauvas, then it would be an entirely separate vehicle about which we haven’t got a shred of evidence, either photographic or documentational.
Robert
Retired Old ■■■■:
Hi, Robert,
There’s probably a simple explanation for the query that has popped into my one remaining brain cell, but, can you shed any light on the observation that both the demonstrator/Beech’s/Grocott unit and the last one in the series are both carrying Gloucestershire registration plates? Any connection with Richard Read/Eric Vick?
Good point ROF! It was probably registered by Richard Read in Glos. and subsequently transferred to Beeches as a demo. Both Richard Read and Beeches were proper ERF dealerships in those days and I imagine that demonstrators passed freely among them - only a guess, mind! Robert
Page 30 of the Charge Utile article on Loste states that there were just two NGCs on the fleet, both of which we know about. Robert
robert1952:
DEANB:
Macadam-woman:
robert1952:
I notice that one of Loste’s NGCs is just visible in the backgroundThat’s correct, I however don’t know how many NGCs they had in their fleet which was quite
a mix of Anglo-Americans and Dutch DAFs.By the way, no doubt that the both Cauvas-chassis (4x2 and 6x4) were DIFFERENT as is quite
visible by the many details like the tandem and cab! So for your register TWO NGCs of which
one FALSE FRIEND with a 8MWcab on the ex-Hye.No hard feelings but please stop to offend towards input given
Macadam-women,
Nice picture of the White. With regard to Cauvas NGC ,the pictures indicate that the 4x2 and 6x4 both
have the same registeration ? I dont know anything about French registration plates, but would that not
mean they are the same vehicle ■■Yes Dean, you appear to be right. If the Nye unit acquired an 8MW cab, it would not be registered 8264RW95 because this was already a Cauvas 4x2 unit. If Cauvas had a re-cabbed MCC, it would have a different registration number.
‘Macadam-woman’ makes the point that the chassis is different. I don’t see that this signifies anything because if you chop the rear end off a 4x2 and replace it with a double-drive bogie, of course the chassis will look different - just like the Eyckmanns unit did. He/she also states that the cab is different. I disagree: I can see no significant changes in the cab at all.
If the Nye unit really was re-cabbed with an 8MW cab and sold to Cauvas, then it would be an entirely separate vehicle about which we haven’t got a shred of evidence, either photographic or documentational.
Robert
To be fair it would probably be a lot easier to re cab an existing 6x4 chassis type with an NGC or 8MW cab.Than to convert a 4x2 chassis to 6x4 
Bearing in mind that the existing 4x2 rails probably weren’t long enough to fit a 6x4 bogie onto.Which then just leaves the vagaries of the French registration system in which the information seems to suggest that only ‘cars’ were/are subject to any link between chassis and reg number.On that note the 6x4 in the two photos with the triple wiper set up and twin wiper set up looks like the same 6x4 chassis having been re cabbed with two different cabs.
Carryfast:
To be fair it would probably be a lot easier to re cab an existing 6x4 chassis type with an NGC or 8MW cab.Than to convert a 4x2 chassis to 6x4
I welcome your contribution, CF. However, the registration plate would seem to link the two vehicles. Any other unit, conversion or otherwise, would surely have a different plate.
As for the cab: the only difference is that all three wipers are functioning in one picture, the registration plate is on the other side of the bumper and the beacons have been upgraded - these are tiny details that can be altered in the workshop between breakfast and coffee break. Robert
The information i was given about the Cauvas unit was that it had 2 x volvo axles fitted.
A new photo.
DEANB:
The information i was given about the Cauvas unit was that it had 2 x volvo axles fitted.A new photo.
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Great new picture, Dean!
The Volvo axles info is interesting, as that would certainly rule out the Hye ERF. Let’s just hope that some evidence emerges that shows that the Hye unit did receive an 8MW cab, even if it didn’t go to Cauvas. It would help to tidy up the 8MW thing!
Cheers, Robert
robert1952:
Carryfast:
To be fair it would probably be a lot easier to re cab an existing 6x4 chassis type with an NGC or 8MW cab.Than to convert a 4x2 chassis to 6x4I welcome your contribution, CF. However, the registration plate would seem to link the two vehicles. Any other unit, conversion or otherwise, would surely have a different plate.
Another possibility there Robert.Are we sure that the reg actually says 264 on the 4x2 pic or does extreme magnification suggest it might be 254 ?.While the 6x4 photos certainly seem to show a clearer number 6 in that case. 
Carryfast:
robert1952:
Carryfast:
To be fair it would probably be a lot easier to re cab an existing 6x4 chassis type with an NGC or 8MW cab.Than to convert a 4x2 chassis to 6x4I welcome your contribution, CF. However, the registration plate would seem to link the two vehicles. Any other unit, conversion or otherwise, would surely have a different plate.
Another possibility there Robert.Are we sure that the reg actually says 264 on the 4x2 pic or does extreme magnification suggest it might be 254 ?.While the 6x4 photos certainly seem to show a clearer number 6 in that case.
Immaculate attention to detail there, CF! Actually, that was the first thing I noticed too, and I spent some time blowing up the image and comparing it with the other examples. I came to the conclusion (rightly or wrongly) that it too closely resembled the ‘6’ in the other pictures to be anything other than a 6, simply because that 6 had a pronounced hook at the top, bringing it right over to the point at which the top bar of a figure 5 would arrive at. Also, it isn’t proportionately consistent with the final 5 in the number. Thus I concluded it was a 6 and therefore the same number as on the 6x4. Of course my opinion is just one, and I am open to scrutiny. If it can be conclusively and convincingly shown that the number of the 4x2 is different from the 6x4 by a single digit, then we are back to a healthy scenario in which two Cauvas ERFs co-exist, as Mac-W suggested. We live in hope! Cheers, Robert
Followers of this thread may find the NGC speculation on pages 254 and 255 of the Astran thread interesting 
. Robert
I was sent this highly entertaining image this evening, of a 1:50 scale scratch-built model of an NGC based on a Scammell Crusader. This is superb. Things are definitely looking up on the model front! I’ve no idea who made it, but I have a good friend looking at a similar projects! Watch this space. . Robert
PS I notice that the model has breather pipes up the back of the cab, so this narrows it down to a handful of NGCs. It could do with 20x12:00 tyres on the front end though! (I’ll get me coat 
).Robert
Just one odd unit hangs in the air. I’ve been checking back through some of my notes. Quite some time back, John (‘Saviem’) mentioned an olive green NGC he’d seen. ‘ERF-continental’ communicated to me very specific information about a 1977 NGC with an NTC 335 and 9-speed Fuller and 200,000 kms on the clock that was for sale by Prooi of Barendrecht in 1978 (which operated in olive green livery).
Later (in Sept last year) ‘Leyland Marathon2’ claimed that Prooi had only operated a B-series (not an NGC); and that the olive green unit would have been Schaap’s NGC when he had it painted in Konig’s livery. Consequently, I removed the Prooi unit from the register. However, the B-series didn’t come with an NTC 335.
I wonder, then, if anyone has access to the original advert that gave such specific information about the sale of the unit with 200,000 kms on the clock. We may yet manage to salvage evidence of a stray NGC - (who knows?). Robert
Ha! One of the daft things that one notices when scrutinising old pictures, trying to find historical clues…
I’ve just noticed that in this picture of KFH 251P, the sun-visor is still painted white and the attaching brackets are still silver: it has clearly just been fitted! Maybe I should get out more
EDIT: Closer scrutiny shows that the unit is well-worn, with rust on the bumper and a bent hand-rail by the passenger door (LHD), not to mention the stickers. Also early pics show that the visor was fitted before the the Kysor! So it appears that this visor is a replacement one… Robert
