3300John:
Hiya odd numbers on the steel cab was setback axle, even numbers was forwad control with the front wheel under the door with no step.
same with the mv cab. these cabs come from motor panels in flat pack. the cabs was assembed at jennings. also all the interior was made at jennings. where the forward control is used the door frame and door was modifed at jennings. the door and frame was bigJ
we chopped them up and made the wheelarch fit under the door. Shell in south africa had a large number of day cab MVās. these had a fibre glass front made at jennings.
John
Presumably Motor Panels had supplied a set of welding jigs to Jennings? How many of these steel cabs were built in a day? How did Jennings cope with the transition from traditional coachbuilding to these āmodernā methods? How did the Jennings-assembled cabs compare to the Motor Panels originals (Seddon etc.) on things like build quality, fit and finish, corrosion protection etc?
3300John:
Hiya odd numbers on the steel cab was setback axle, even numbers was forwad control with the front wheel under the door with no step.
same with the mv cab. these cabs come from motor panels in flat pack. the cabs was assembed at jennings. also all the interior was made at jennings. where the forward control is used the door frame and door was modifed at jennings. the door and frame was bigJ
we chopped them up and made the wheelarch fit under the door. Shell in south africa had a large number of day cab MVās. these had a fibre glass front made at jennings.
John
Presumably Motor Panels had supplied a set of welding jigs to Jennings? How many of these steel cabs were built in a day? How did Jennings cope with the transition from traditional coachbuilding to these āmodernā methods? How did the Jennings-assembled cabs compare to the Motor Panels originals (Seddon etc.) on things like build quality, fit and finish, corrosion protection etc?
Hiya Jenning had a very good name in coach and body buildingā¦it was said they never gave a price for a job, if you couldānt afford the job go else where. back to story the cab jig was made by jennings blacksmiths. the build speed for a cab was maybe 4 cabs a month.
all the work was by hand their was no presses, just spot welders guilotines and benders.their was 30 panel beaters working full time.
at one time the cabs come from motor panels as a bare shell as the order was for 50 units then another 50 at a later date.
for the jordainain phosferiuos company along with hoper type trailers.
corrossion protection was just a paint job as motor panels did. thats why theirs not many motorpanels cabs about.
Jennings also did some FTF cabs. the steel cabs was kept seperate from the fibre glass cab line where 8 cabs a day was made in 1969.
in the late 60s the cab side of jennings was quite antiquated. the horse box/library side was exclusive finish
almost all of the horsebox fittings was made inhouse along with all the upholstry.ERF by this time owned Jennings as the need to expand.
their was no other space. Jennings closed for a year then reopened in Crewe. the fire engine department moved to winsford then back
to Elworth as Saxon fire engines which has now closed down although you still see Saxon fire engines around.
3300John:
Hiya Jenning had a very good name in coach and body buildingā¦it was said they never gave a price for a job, if you couldānt afford the job go else where. back to story the cab jig was made by jennings blacksmiths. the build speed for a cab was maybe 4 cabs a month.
all the work was by hand their was no presses, just spot welders guilotines and benders.their was 30 panel beaters working full time.
at one time the cabs come from motor panels as a bare shell as the order was for 50 units then another 50 at a later date.
for the jordainain phosferiuos company along with hoper type trailers.
corrossion protection was just a paint job as motor panels did. thats why theirs not many motorpanels cabs about.
Jennings also did some FTF cabs. the steel cabs was kept seperate from the fibre glass cab line where 8 cabs a day was made in 1969.
in the late 60s the cab side of jennings was quite antiquated. the horse box/library side was exclusive finish
almost all of the horsebox fittings was made inhouse along with all the upholstry.ERF by this time owned Jennings as the need to expand.
their was no other space. Jennings closed for a year then reopened in Crewe. the fire engine department moved to winsford then back
to Elworth as Saxon fire engines which has now closed down although you still see Saxon fire engines around.
Thanks for that 3300John. It is always nice to hear about how things were done.
30 panelbeaters to make 4 cabs per month sounds like a huge waste of skilled people. No presses either. Does the phrase ālack of investmentā come to mind?
Hiya it was a good job and much to learn.the chaps could make anything you needed. the lads would make
all the panels for the glass fibre cabs. 100 bonnets/bonnet sides and frames for the LV range eack month
we made all of the interior for the steel cabs. about 10% of the glass fibre cabs had a spark proctor kit on
(ERF had a good run on Tankers at one time in the 60ās) we made check boxes for the door mechinisum.
we was paneling fire engines and libaray,s. their was paneling to be made for the caravan line (jennings road ranger)
in the panel shop we had one 7 inch grinder. a portable spot welder. one fixed spot welder. a 6ft gilotine
a 6ft bender and a 4 foot bender. 3 sets of welding bottles a small air cooled welder(the black smiths had use
of the 2 large oil cooled welders. 3 english wheels and a 4 ft roller(manuel)it was unbeliveable how we made annything.
we used to change filler caps on horse boxses ( the pipe never come out enough to reach the sides of the body)
plus we had time to make unaficial things for other workers on the quiet.we also made a dump type of cab out of
angle iron with heavy guage steel panels that went for export.also most off the horseboxes was put onto second
hand chassis cabs. the cabs always had dents and rust holes to be repaired to look new.
I dont know how to show you this site try it yourself.
go to googleā¦then images ā¦then try jack burrows creations in silver. their a piece about my old forman
see what he made from flat sheet silver.
John
Here it is John: ukauctionnews.com/2010/08/fr ā¦ -made.html
If those candlesticks were made entirely by hand, then Mr. Burrowsā fine skills were a step above knocking lorry cabs together.
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anorak:
Here it is John: ukauctionnews.com/2010/08/fr ā¦ -made.html
If those candlesticks were made entirely by hand, then Mr. Burrowsā fine skills were a step above knocking lorry cabs together.
Hiya anorakā¦pritty clever chap. jack was the foreman in the panel beating shop.
when you can work with silver like that a motor panels cab was a push over
a car wing was mentioned on that site, Bentley gave jack a photo and asked if he could make some for a car, all hand crafted.
John
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anorak:
Here it is John: ukauctionnews.com/2010/08/fr ā¦ -made.html
If those candlesticks were made entirely by hand, then Mr. Burrowsā fine skills were a step above knocking lorry cabs together.
Hiya anorakā¦pritty clever chap. jack was the foreman in the panel beating shop.
when you can work with silver like that a motor panels cab was a push over
a car wing was mentioned on that site, Bentley gave jack a photo and asked if he could make some for a car, all hand crafted.
John
Hi John, there was an american guy a few doors away from me that was a brilliant panel beater, he made panels for Aston Martins, Ferraris and many others. I was at his house one day when a chap stopped by with the front wing of his Aston DB6 crumpled and asked the yank if he had a new front wing, yes he had he told him and it was about Ā£500, the chap said it seemed a lot of money but the yank said I do have some cheaper ones out the back about Ā£50 ! he came out with a 6x4 sheet of aluminium and handed it to the bemused owner, he didnāt take up his offer and had the dearer one.
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anorak:
Here it is John: ukauctionnews.com/2010/08/fr ā¦ -made.html
If those candlesticks were made entirely by hand, then Mr. Burrowsā fine skills were a step above knocking lorry cabs together.
Hiya anorakā¦pritty clever chap. jack was the foreman in the panel beating shop.
when you can work with silver like that a motor panels cab was a push over
a car wing was mentioned on that site, Bentley gave jack a photo and asked if he could make some for a car, all hand crafted.
John
Hi John, there was an american guy a few doors away from me that was a brilliant panel beater, he made panels for Aston Martins, Ferraris and many others. I was at his house one day when a chap stopped by with the front wing of his Aston DB6 crumpled and asked the yank if he had a new front wing, yes he had he told him and it was about Ā£500, the chap said it seemed a lot of money but the yank said I do have some cheaper ones out the back about Ā£50 ! he came out with a 6x4 sheet of aluminium and handed it to the bemused owner, he didnāt take up his offer and had the dearer one.
Brilliant, people didnāt and certainly donāt appreicate the skill that must be involved
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anorak:
Here it is John: ukauctionnews.com/2010/08/fr ā¦ -made.html
If those candlesticks were made entirely by hand, then Mr. Burrowsā fine skills were a step above knocking lorry cabs together.
Hiya anorakā¦pritty clever chap. jack was the foreman in the panel beating shop.
when you can work with silver like that a motor panels cab was a push over
a car wing was mentioned on that site, Bentley gave jack a photo and asked if he could make some for a car, all hand crafted.
John
Hi John, there was an american guy a few doors away from me that was a brilliant panel beater, he made panels for Aston Martins, Ferraris and many others. I was at his house one day when a chap stopped by with the front wing of his Aston DB6 crumpled and asked the yank if he had a new front wing, yes he had he told him and it was about Ā£500, the chap said it seemed a lot of money but the yank said I do have some cheaper ones out the back about Ā£50 ! he came out with a 6x4 sheet of aluminium and handed it to the bemused owner, he didnāt take up his offer and had the dearer one.
[zb]
anorak:
Here it is John: ukauctionnews.com/2010/08/fr ā¦ -made.html
If those candlesticks were made entirely by hand, then Mr. Burrowsā fine skills were a step above knocking lorry cabs together.
Hiya anorakā¦pritty clever chap. jack was the foreman in the panel beating shop.
when you can work with silver like that a motor panels cab was a push over
a car wing was mentioned on that site, Bentley gave jack a photo and asked if he could make some for a car, all hand crafted.
John
Hi John, there was an american guy a few doors away from me that was a brilliant panel beater, he made panels for Aston Martins, Ferraris and many others. I was at his house one day when a chap stopped by with the front wing of his Aston DB6 crumpled and asked the yank if he had a new front wing, yes he had he told him and it was about Ā£500, the chap said it seemed a lot of money but the yank said I do have some cheaper ones out the back about Ā£50 ! he came out with a 6x4 sheet of aluminium and handed it to the bemused owner, he didnāt take up his offer and had the dearer one.
Hereās one of FRY 388V as a 4 wheel artic. It was purchased new from cossington by Moores of Ashby and now exists as the 6 wheel rigid of Harris funfairs. Their was also regs: FRY 389V, DJF 824/5T and WAY 610S if anyone has pics in there original or any later liveries.
Photographed on a recent holiday on Malta.
This sad-looking E.R.F. looks like it has come to the end of its working life.
No doubt , it will be broken up for useful spare parts to keep other E.R.Fs earning their keep on the roads.
cattle wagon man:
Photographed on a recent holiday on Malta.
This sad-looking E.R.F. looks like it has come to the end of its working life.
No doubt , it will be broken up for useful spare parts to keep other E.R.Fs earning their keep on the roads.
Cheers , cattle wagon man.
hiya,
Iāve earned wages with motors looking a lot rougher than this old girl,
and a few bob for the Gaffer as well.
thanks harry, long retired.
Harry I also made a few bob driving old motors But I must say I worked for some good old Gaffers, Who never told me to do anything they allways asked me if I could do it, Happy long gone days Eh, Regards Larry.
Lawrence Dunbar:
Harry I also made a few bob driving old motors But I must say I worked for some good old Gaffers, Who never told me to do anything they allways asked me if I could do it, Happy long gone days Eh, Regards Larry.
hiya,
Yes Larry most of the Guvnors Iāve worked for have always asked, but Iāve also
worked for one or two whoāve wanted a pound of flesh and a quart of blood to
go with it and when a lot younger gave it willingly, now Iām old and knackered
to prove it, they wouldnāt find any work left in me.
thanks harry, long retired.
