the maoster:
Lol. Two kindred weak liberals having a love in. I’m glad I haven’t eaten because it saves me from puking. Pathetic.
Anything on topic to offer?
the maoster:
Lol. Two kindred weak liberals having a love in. I’m glad I haven’t eaten because it saves me from puking. Pathetic.
Weak? I can deadlift 500lbs!
Franglais:
the maoster:
Lol. Two kindred weak liberals having a love in. I’m glad I haven’t eaten because it saves me from puking. Pathetic.Anything on topic to offer?
I think for the average Trumpy calling someone a “lefty” or a “liberal” IS as far as the argument goes.
JeffA:
If the deep state is far left why has the wealth of the top 1% exploded every year for the last 20 years?
The Deep State isn’t “Far Left”, but the Far Left voters happen to support the Deep State’s crimes around the world currrently
“Because they are gunning for Trump”.
Wot happened to the times when all us Pleb voters would simply vote for the most anti-establishment candidate in any and all elections - as standard?
In the past, whatever shenanigans the Deep State happened to be getting up to - didn’t get seen by the mainstream public.
In today’s internet age of Social Media, flip-cameras, Iphones, and fast communications - what they used to do, and routinely expected to get away with - is now happening in plain sight, often caught on film, which in turn - used to be considered hard evidence in courts.
These days, “Hard Evidence” - simply doesn’t exist anymore.
These days “Faith” is what it is all about. If A says B did so-and-so, then there will be those who believe A and others who believe B. Is that a proper basis for Guilt and Innocence to be decided AT ALL?
I don’t believe so.
The Regime of former “Western Democracy” - is passing away before our very eyes, simply because two sides of Society CHOOSE to be at each other’s throats, rather than submit to the best chance of positive change we’re ever likely to get in our lifetimes.
As such, I respect Musk’s attempts to remain a “Neutral Liberal” here, the “Perfect Centerist” if you will.
Sooner or later though, he’s going to have to “pick a side”, and if and when he does - you can bet the next thing that will happen is that he’ll have assassination attempts by the one side he’s “offended”, who’ll likely try and make it look like the other side he just picked to back - is responsible for his demise…
Take the way Musk is apparently backing Ron DeSantis for a presidential Run:
That stance, ■■■■■■ off both the Left that hate Republicans, whom Musk has now sided with, and also ■■■■■■ off Maga Republicans, for DeSantis not getting behind Trump as well.
So Musk has done that thing that Liberals so often do - Try to be all things to all people, and ended up upsetting BOTH sides to the point that they almost certainlly will wish Musk harm in some way.
Pundits will argue that “Musk has become a divisive character” then.
Meanwhile, Trump has called Deep State string-pullers out for their numerous “moves” IN plain sight. They seem to have succeeded in getting people brainwashed into hating a strong anti-establishment “Maverick” such as Trump - just state “Trump makes it all up” when closer examination would have you see the overwealming evidence that Trump not only spoke a lot of hard truths, but also continues to do so, and desires “Regime Change” for perhaps the first time in over a century around the world.
What are Lefties afraid of Trump doing if he gets back into the Whitehouse? What were they afraid of the FIRST time he got that far?
What do you think will happen if Biden stays as President until 2028? Do you think you’ll survive as long as Biden does, indeed?
Musk - is a wildcard, trying to balance on the fence for as long as possible imo.
When the day comes when he truly DOES get his considerable financial weight behind the cause of the majority of Humanity, rather than just the 1% Elites and fringe political factions he seems to currently favour - is the day the world changes.
Could Musk be the Antichrist? - Sure. But so could everyone else I’ve mentioned in this post. Right?
Franglais:
Marky-p:
One thing I won’t do is get drawn into endless pointless debates with leftists on the Internet. If people think Soros is some sort of Saint then more power to you.Also, the Trump Derangement Syndrome really is prevalent here. But again, more power to you guys.
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So, you won
t debate with those who arent as right wing as you are?
An echo chamber where no ideas are challenged, or new ideas tested? Somewhere that lies can fester in the corner rather than be dragged into the light of day?
Just sit a circle of buddies each praising* each other.I looked up Trump Derangement Syndrome:
edition.cnn.com/2018/07/19/poli … index.html
aka If you dont agree Trump you are mentally ill. Saves debating anything, or looking for evidence or proof, or anysuch doesnt it?*Other adjerktives are available, but the sentence would need to end in “off”. A happy ending for all involved I imagine.
You didn’t really think that an outfit notoriously opposed to Trump such as CNN - had the correct definition of TDS do you?
Have ANY of the Left-leaning politicians - delivered on ANYTHING despite already being in office at least 2 years by this point?
Even “We’ll get rid of Trump for you!” - seems to have become another “Promise made, Promise Broken” by these characters…
You don’t “look up” things on the Internet, if there is a slightest whiff of “political Bias” about it.
Wiki, News Outlets, and even Search Results - are all prone to tilting people towards some website that is designed to “put you off further interest on the subject” you may be attempting to look up.
Both Trump and Biden have been around for Decades, Biden in actual government, getting precious little done in near half-a-century of being part of the Establishment. Trump, on the other hand - has been a public figure businessman for the same period, and a total amateur in Politics.
That Trump has given the Inbcumbent Establishment people such a hard time on BOTH sides - is pretty impressive, if you think about it.
It is a matter of fact that “Faith” is typically something associated with the Right, rather than the Left. But wait! - Now we have the regime of the EU with it’s “secular” (Read: “Godless”) Rule of Law concept. We also have Gaian Theory which surely will lead the vast majority of humanity - to utter ruin, if not physically - then at least Financially.
Suddenly, some Lefties - have got a new Faux Religion they can have some kind of “Faith” in.
…Or hasn’t anyone noticed yet that Right Wing people - are NOT the ones lying down on the M25, getting in Joe Public’s way all the time, and twisting any and every administration to go “Kid Gloves” on them whilst cracking down on this Non-Existant “■■■■ Uprising” we’re supposed to all be afraid of the MIA “Hard Right” to be about to do?
That leaves our future to be decided by those Lefties with enough brains to work out what is really going on, and stand up at very least to “not let their votes be mis-appropriated” among the remaining, declining western democracies that still use paper ballots…
Are you really going to vote Keir Starmer “Because he’s electable, and Corbyn wasn’t”?
I’d argue that Corbyn appealed to the same anti-establishment side of the Left like Trump did to the Liberal Right and Far Right combined.
It is a loss to Labour imo that Corbyn is now gone, and replaced by yet another Champagne Socialist Lawyer, who’ll do no one any favours but the deep state he likely served all along.
If I’m right, then Starmer will not poll the 40% that Corbyn polled in 2017 - and yet strangely lost because politics had already become so polarized at that point…
Starmer - cannot win a full majority without crushing the SNP first. There’s no chance he’s going to do that.
Any “Coalition” deal with either or both the SNP and Libdems, who are sworn to “reverse Brexit” - means that no Pro-Brexit Labour voter is likely to chance voting Starmer, and likely desire Corbyn back as leader again, although that Corbyn has shot his bolt already, and gone - will likely hamper such a comeback, that could be compared with Trump’s comeback in the States…
“Green Policies” meanwhile - are going to make so many of us poorer, that I reckon we’ll give up on it as a political concern by the next election.
There’s no room for “Protest Votes” anymore. Vote for what you actually want, rather than vote against something you’ve been told “not to like”.
How many Greensters are on here? - “Not Many” I’d anticipate.
Maybe you voted Green in the past “To try and get rid of a hated Tory” - but those days are past now.
I reckon next year - an awful lot of people “won’t be voting at all”, some for the very first time.
…If there are only incumbent parties represented on the ballot paper? there’s not much there to be voting for is there?
Franglais:
Marky-p:
One thing I won’t do is get drawn into endless pointless debates with leftists on the Internet. If people think Soros is some sort of Saint then more power to you.Also, the Trump Derangement Syndrome really is prevalent here. But again, more power to you guys.
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So, you won
t debate with those who arent as right wing as you are?
An echo chamber where no ideas are challenged, or new ideas tested? Somewhere that lies can fester in the corner rather than be dragged into the light of day?
Just sit a circle of buddies each praising* each other.I looked up Trump Derangement Syndrome:
edition.cnn.com/2018/07/19/poli … index.html
aka If you dont agree Trump you are mentally ill. Saves debating anything, or looking for evidence or proof, or anysuch doesnt it?*Other adjerktives are available, but the sentence would need to end in “off”. A happy ending for all involved I imagine.
What I mean is, and I think everyone can agree on this…the left will never convince the right that their way is best. And vice versa. I don’t mind a civilised debate here and there, or just injecting my opinion occasionally.
I just don’t think it’s a productive use of my time and energy to create pages and pages of back and forth. Plus, I lost sleep over the fact that jeffA called me whale excrement. My self esteem is scarred forever.
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Marky-p:
Franglais:
Marky-p:
One thing I won’t do is get drawn into endless pointless debates with leftists on the Internet. If people think Soros is some sort of Saint then more power to you.Also, the Trump Derangement Syndrome really is prevalent here. But again, more power to you guys.
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So, you won
t debate with those who arent as right wing as you are?
An echo chamber where no ideas are challenged, or new ideas tested? Somewhere that lies can fester in the corner rather than be dragged into the light of day?
Just sit a circle of buddies each praising* each other.I looked up Trump Derangement Syndrome:
edition.cnn.com/2018/07/19/poli … index.html
aka If you dont agree Trump you are mentally ill. Saves debating anything, or looking for evidence or proof, or anysuch doesnt it?*Other adjerktives are available, but the sentence would need to end in “off”. A happy ending for all involved I imagine.
What I mean is, and I think everyone can agree on this…the left will never convince the right that their way is best. And vice versa. I don’t mind a civilised debate here and there, or just injecting my opinion occasionally.
I just don’t think it’s a productive use of my time and energy to create pages and pages of back and forth. Plus, I lost sleep over the fact that jeffA called me whale excrement. My self esteem is scarred forever.
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Forgive me.
(Not quite tho - I think I said “lower than whale excrement” - meaning something on the bottom of the ocean)
JeffA:
Marky-p:
Franglais:
Marky-p:
One thing I won’t do is get drawn into endless pointless debates with leftists on the Internet. If people think Soros is some sort of Saint then more power to you.Also, the Trump Derangement Syndrome really is prevalent here. But again, more power to you guys.
Sent from my SM-A135F using Tapatalk
So, you won
t debate with those who arent as right wing as you are?
An echo chamber where no ideas are challenged, or new ideas tested? Somewhere that lies can fester in the corner rather than be dragged into the light of day?
Just sit a circle of buddies each praising* each other.I looked up Trump Derangement Syndrome:
edition.cnn.com/2018/07/19/poli … index.html
aka If you dont agree Trump you are mentally ill. Saves debating anything, or looking for evidence or proof, or anysuch doesnt it?*Other adjerktives are available, but the sentence would need to end in “off”. A happy ending for all involved I imagine.
What I mean is, and I think everyone can agree on this…the left will never convince the right that their way is best. And vice versa. I don’t mind a civilised debate here and there, or just injecting my opinion occasionally.
I just don’t think it’s a productive use of my time and energy to create pages and pages of back and forth. Plus, I lost sleep over the fact that jeffA called me whale excrement. My self esteem is scarred forever.
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Forgive me.
(Not quite tho - I think I said “lower than whale excrement” - meaning something on the bottom of the ocean)
Apparently…
At risk of pedantry…
Whale excrement floats…?
Mind you, it is a descriptive expression.
Or an expressive description?
You spotted the inherent flaw in my logic…so do plankton eat it?
JeffA:
You spotted the inherent flaw in my logic…so do plankton eat it?
Wiki has a page on it !
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whale_feces
(5 minute read)
You’re looking for the wrong yeukk…
AMBERGRIS is where the money’s at…
Not “■■■”, not “Blood”, not “Guts” - but a composite of all three.
Hardened Whale Bile, Sick, and other digestive juices (not “Biscuits”) that have hardened into something literally worth it’s weight in Gold… 
“Truth is stranger than Fiction”
That such stuff is used as MUSK in the perfume industry - keeps us right on-topic here, too… 
Here’s a story today that pushes home the above post I made earlier…
Electric Jesus has been out-chessing his rivals yet again & is now set to become the new OPEC overlord , Ford & now GM have signed on the dotted line to adopt Tesla’s charging connector known as NACS (North America Charging Standard) All GM & Ford future electric cars charging systems will be fitted with Tesla’s proprietary connector to use Tesla’s massive super charger network.
If the rest of the EV manufacturers don’t switch to the NACS standard from the current J-1772 standard connector then they’re going to be up ■■■■ creek without a paddle as everyone will want to use the reliable Tesla charging network. Older electric cars will have to buy an adapter to be able to charge.
lancpudn:
Electric Jesus has been out-chessing his rivals yet again & is now set to become the new OPEC overlord
If the rest of the EV manufacturers don’t switch to the NACS standard from the current J-1772 standard connector then they’re going to be up [zb] creek without a paddle as everyone will want to use the reliable Tesla charging network. Older electric cars will have to buy an adapter to be able to charge.
Is it a relatively simple fix to get an adaptor?
Will there be I wonder a price differential on energy supplied to Tesla or to other brands?
Franglais:
lancpudn:
Electric Jesus has been out-chessing his rivals yet again & is now set to become the new OPEC overlord
If the rest of the EV manufacturers don’t switch to the NACS standard from the current J-1772 standard connector then they’re going to be up [zb] creek without a paddle as everyone will want to use the reliable Tesla charging network. Older electric cars will have to buy an adapter to be able to charge.Is it a relatively simple fix to get an adaptor?
Will there be I wonder a price differential on energy supplied to Tesla or to other brands?
Yes it’s easy to get a third party adapter nowadays, He stands to make a killing in the electricity supply market by the end of the decade with his megapack storage batteries, His software is king & buys overnight cheap overnight off peak electricity at low rates or even negative prices in some parts of the world & sells it at peak prices to grids or cheap tariffs to Tesla account holders.
He does seem to be tying things up together very cannily.
His plans (if I understand correctly) include cutting out the current electricity generating companies? He wants to make every house a small generating station? Solar/wind whatever. Of course they will need lots of (his?) hardware and someone to smooth out supply (guess who?).
Gonna make the 20th century petroleum companies seem small, if given a free rein. I can`t see that being good for the good of us all.
Franglais:
He does seem to be tying things up together very cannily.His plans (if I understand correctly) include cutting out the current electricity generating companies? He wants to make every house a small generating station? Solar/wind whatever. Of course they will need lots of (his?) hardware and someone to smooth out supply (guess who?).
Gonna make the 20th century petroleum companies seem small, if given a free rein. I can`t see that being good for the good of us all.
Yeah me too, By the end of the decade when there are multi millions of Tesla’s/Fords/GM’s connected to Tesla’s mothership Tesla’s V2G (vehicle to grid) will become the biggest virtual power stations in history he will be king of the electricity industry as well. Owners can tell the car how much electric they need in the battery pack for that days usage as the vast majority don’t use 100% of the charge in the pack, You will be able to opt out if you need a full charge & others will get paid for the electricity taken from your car to balance the grid in peak times.
Pity his cars are rubbish. I give Tesla 10 years tops.
A lot of people seem to like them, The Tesla model Y is now the worlds best selling car in 2023 & that includes all legacy carmakers ICE models. theverge.com/2023/5/26/2373 … r-electric
It’s even kicked the Totyota Corolla off the number 1 spot which had been the worlds best selling car for years.
Oh they’ll be around for a long time yet, They’re the only manufacturer that’s making the biggest profit margins of every car they sell with $billions in cash sitting in the bank.
Ford & GM, it’s main rivals have publicly said they cant make a profit on EV’s until 2030-2035, Ford’s Blue Oval division is losing $60000 on every electric vehicle they sell especially the Ford Mach-e. Chevy have lost money on every Bolt ev they made & have now discontinued it despite big order book.
autoevolution.com/news/ford … 14411.html
That’s why I said in another post months ago that the next electric car purchase made by the masses will most likely be Chinese including Tesla made models.
JeffA:
Pity his cars are rubbish. I give Tesla 10 years tops.
It isn’t about the CAR - It is about the Battery Revolution already started.
Musk getting monopolies on certain metal deposits - sets him up rather nicely for having a world monopoly on batteries that last longer per charge, but more importantly do not decompose over time, and can handle more than 200 charges before they are “Spent” into environmentally nasty “waste product”…
Then add in a few months or years time - “The world’s first global Power Cut” - and hey presto - Musk’s Batteries now have a world monopoly on “Everything electric powered” including the Home Mains we currently get off the national grid… Westinghouse gets turned over in favour of Edison this late in the day?
It would literally “change the world overnight” should there be some global EMP event that knocks out the world’s AC supply…
Man Made? - Set off a nuke…
Natural? - A nice big solar CME event - might even create a world shortage of Copper, since power grid lines all over the world - would be vapourized by a large-enough EMP event…
Also Note:
There is no known insulator that a magnetic field cannot penetrate.
If Musk’s R&D comes UP with one though? - This technology can be applied to a revolutionary type of Spacecraft, rather than crappy old low-range high-containimation factor “Family Car”…
lancpudn:
A lot of people seem to like them, The Tesla model Y is now the worlds best selling car in 2023 & that includes all legacy carmakers ICE models. theverge.com/2023/5/26/2373 … r-electric
It’s even kicked the Totyota Corolla off the number 1 spot which had been the worlds best selling car for years.
Oh they’ll be around for a long time yet, They’re the only manufacturer that’s making the biggest profit margins of every car they sell with $billions in cash sitting in the bank.
Ford & GM, it’s main rivals have publicly said they cant make a profit on EV’s until 2030-2035, Ford’s Blue Oval division is losing $60000 on every electric vehicle they sell
autoevolution.com/news/ford … 14411.html
That’s why I said in another post months ago that the next electric car purchase made by the masses will most likely be Chinese including Tesla made models.
Have you ever been inside one? Like a tonka toy - all cheap plastic. I think when the proper car manufacturers move into electric cars Tesla will die out pretty quick.