Eddie Stobart **new pay rates just released**

[dozy]

toonsy:
Not being funny but these days is 55k “good” money for maxing hours, constantly reducing every other week and kipping out away from home for nine nights out of every eleven worked?

Bearing in mind I work some five mins drive away from Rugby Truckstop in a permanent role, earn about 52k now without a sniff of a night out, without touching a curtain pole and without going anywhere near 60hrs in a week I’d say its not fantastic in any way shape or form since the recent bout of wage uplifts.

If stobarts who are well known for paying peanuts & buttons , are now paying 50k pa then I’d of thought the decent paying firms would be on a fair bit more than that , we had a thread once about wages & it was me and a couple more on £9 ish ph , the majority said they were on £15 ph , this must be going back 7/8 yrs at least , so as I say if stobarts are paying 50k then I’d of thought the decent payers ( I guess Tesco would be in that group ) would be paying a sight more than 50 k ( going by the thread we had on here )
I remember Tesco donny drivers telling me they’d never work for stobart wages ( funnily enough some did in the end ) as it was pitifull , so I’d of said they must of been on a fair bit more , so if stobarts are paying 50 k I’m amazed Tesco are only paying 50 k , strange times

[winseer]

TO maximize worker losses, first get them to agree a low hourly rate, and then once they accept that - permit them to work maxed-out hours all the time, with no time-and-a-half for overtime, but merely “allowances added” that make you feel richer when you are in fact getting poorer in real terms by the hour…

Inflation is over 4% now, and looks set to remain that way for some time.

This means that “Marking Time” on ANYTHING - is a sure-fire way to lose money OVER time.

[wheelsofcardiff]

Winseer:
TO maximize worker losses, first get them to agree a low hourly rate, and then once they accept that - permit them to work maxed-out hours all the time, with no time-and-a-half for overtime, but merely “allowances added” that make you feel richer when you are in fact getting poorer in real terms by the hour…

Inflation is over 4% now, and looks set to remain that way for some time.

This means that “Marking Time” on ANYTHING - is a sure-fire way to lose money OVER time.

What are you on about. Its not making sense. Even if you pay drivers 50 an hour. Companies will still be short. Royal Mail cant even get staff.

[dozy]

Winseer:
TO maximize worker losses, first get them to agree a low hourly rate, and then once they accept that - permit them to work maxed-out hours all the time, with no time-and-a-half for overtime, but merely “allowances added” that make you feel richer when you are in fact getting poorer in real terms by the hour…

Inflation is over 4% now, and looks set to remain that way for some time.

This means that “Marking Time” on ANYTHING - is a sure-fire way to lose money OVER time.

Anglis has said many times he works lots of short shifts ( not my recollection of the job to be honest ) so I’m not sure what you’re getting at , if he’s doing 60 hours on his 6 day week , that’s 10 hrs per day , 12 hrs per day on his 5 day week , again not what I’d call long days ( for tramping ) , or certainly not compared to what they planed me for
If I was to criticise some things , it would be is nights only worth £1 ph over days , sat & sun are only a few pounds more than the weekly rate , but I know loads of mates for various firms who’d bite your hand off for £21 ph on a Saturday ,

[adam277]

WheelsofCardiff:

Winseer:
TO maximize worker losses, first get them to agree a low hourly rate, and then once they accept that - permit them to work maxed-out hours all the time, with no time-and-a-half for overtime, but merely “allowances added” that make you feel richer when you are in fact getting poorer in real terms by the hour…

Inflation is over 4% now, and looks set to remain that way for some time.

This means that “Marking Time” on ANYTHING - is a sure-fire way to lose money OVER time.

What are you on about. Its not making sense. Even if you pay drivers 50 an hour. Companies will still be short. Royal Mail cant even get staff.

Royal mail cant get temporary staff maybe.
But even in my area I looked into doing some Royal Mail work just for Xmas. The agency said, your not gonna get 5 days a week, it will be as and when needed.
They were not even paying top rates something like £20 an hour. So they are not even paying silly money yet.

[toonsy]

dozy:

toonsy:
Not being funny but these days is 55k “good” money for maxing hours, constantly reducing every other week and kipping out away from home for nine nights out of every eleven worked?

Bearing in mind I work some five mins drive away from Rugby Truckstop in a permanent role, earn about 52k now without a sniff of a night out, without touching a curtain pole and without going anywhere near 60hrs in a week I’d say its not fantastic in any way shape or form since the recent bout of wage uplifts.

If stobarts who are well known for paying peanuts & buttons , are now paying 50k pa then I’d of thought the decent paying firms would be on a fair bit more than that , we had a thread once about wages & it was me and a couple more on £9 ish ph , the majority said they were on £15 ph , this must be going back 7/8 yrs at least , so as I say if stobarts are paying 50k then I’d of thought the decent payers ( I guess Tesco would be in that group ) would be paying a sight more than 50 k ( going by the thread we had on here )
I remember Tesco donny drivers telling me they’d never work for stobart wages ( funnily enough some did in the end ) as it was pitifull , so I’d of said they must of been on a fair bit more , so if stobarts are paying 50 k I’m amazed Tesco are only paying 50 k , strange times

It’s relatively to what is dine for the money so level the hours off to compare. I do around 50hrs a week, my salary will be just north of 50k. Andrejs says it works out at Stobbies at £15.50 earlier in the thread so if he just did the same 50hrs that’s £775 a week or 40k a year.

Of course going the other way, if I maxed out my hours, worked a six/five pattern, spent nine nights out of eleven shifts I’m sure I’d get more than 50k.

In no way am I bragging or anything, I just simply believe that in this day and age, agency or full time, £15.50ph is not good money, its simply the maxing of the hours that makes it look good which is the hallmark of every tinpot general haulage outfit.

[andrejs]

adam277:

WheelsofCardiff:

Winseer:
TO maximize worker losses, first get them to agree a low hourly rate, and then once they accept that - permit them to work maxed-out hours all the time, with no time-and-a-half for overtime, but merely “allowances added” that make you feel richer when you are in fact getting poorer in real terms by the hour…

Inflation is over 4% now, and looks set to remain that way for some time.

This means that “Marking Time” on ANYTHING - is a sure-fire way to lose money OVER time.

What are you on about. Its not making sense. Even if you pay drivers 50 an hour. Companies will still be short. Royal Mail cant even get staff.

Royal mail cant get temporary staff maybe.
But even in my area I looked into doing some Royal Mail work just for Xmas. The agency said, your not gonna get 5 days a week, it will be as and when needed.
They were not even paying top rates something like £20 an hour. So they are not even paying silly money yet.

I think Stobart will do to many job for Royal mail in Christmas time or may be more longer.All microlise sistem in Stobart truck now have option not only to confirm Britvic load delivery.But as well Royal Mail delivery confirmation.

[sweepster]

adam277:

WheelsofCardiff:

Winseer:
TO maximize worker losses, first get them to agree a low hourly rate, and then once they accept that - permit them to work maxed-out hours all the time, with no time-and-a-half for overtime, but merely “allowances added” that make you feel richer when you are in fact getting poorer in real terms by the hour…

Inflation is over 4% now, and looks set to remain that way for some time.

This means that “Marking Time” on ANYTHING - is a sure-fire way to lose money OVER time.

What are you on about. Its not making sense. Even if you pay drivers 50 an hour. Companies will still be short. Royal Mail cant even get staff.

Royal mail cant get temporary staff maybe.
But even in my area I looked into doing some Royal Mail work just for Xmas. The agency said, your not gonna get 5 days a week, it will be as and when needed.
They were not even paying top rates something like £20 an hour. So they are not even paying silly money yet.

Royal Mail have just taken on quite a few drivers throughout the network. The problem is Royal Mail agency drivers are on pay parity and there lies the problem. Why work Agency for Royal Mail when they can earn a lot more elsewhere and who can blame them.

[andrejs]

sweepster:

adam277:

WheelsofCardiff:

Winseer:
TO maximize worker losses, first get them to agree a low hourly rate, and then once they accept that - permit them to work maxed-out hours all the time, with no time-and-a-half for overtime, but merely “allowances added” that make you feel richer when you are in fact getting poorer in real terms by the hour…

Inflation is over 4% now, and looks set to remain that way for some time.

This means that “Marking Time” on ANYTHING - is a sure-fire way to lose money OVER time.

What are you on about. Its not making sense. Even if you pay drivers 50 an hour. Companies will still be short. Royal Mail cant even get staff.

Royal mail cant get temporary staff maybe.
But even in my area I looked into doing some Royal Mail work just for Xmas. The agency said, your not gonna get 5 days a week, it will be as and when needed.
They were not even paying top rates something like £20 an hour. So they are not even paying silly money yet.

Royal Mail have just taken on quite a few drivers throughout the network. The problem is Royal Mail agency drivers are on pay parity and there lies the problem. Why work Agency for Royal Mail when they can earn a lot more elsewhere and who can blame them.

Ready last week see couple sub contractor pulling Royal mail trailer.I think plenty small operator now without old contract and they can do job much more cheap that own Royal mail truck with agency drivders.Plus normaly Royal mail take from Salford hire truck.But possible this year no free truck for hire.

[sweepster]

This time of year and during Christmas pressure you’ll always see sub contractors pulling Royal Mail trailers. Fly by night however have been doing this for quite a while now, but also using their own trailers.

[yourhavingalarf]

sweepster:
This time of year and during Christmas pressure you’ll always see sub contractors pulling Royal Mail trailers. Fly by night however have been doing this for quite a while now, but also using their own trailers.

Mate of mine…

Is subbing for RM. Last Friday’s was run empty to Knowsley, then run 6 yorks to Atherstone and then empty back to the yard near Halifax.

I reckon a small group of baboons could organise things better.

[sweepster]

yourhavingalarf:

sweepster:
This time of year and during Christmas pressure you’ll always see sub contractors pulling Royal Mail trailers. Fly by night however have been doing this for quite a while now, but also using their own trailers.

Mate of mine…

Is doing traction for RM. Last Friday’s was run empty to Knowsley, then run 6 yorks to Atherstone and then empty back to the yard near Halifax.

I reckon a small group of baboons could organise things better.

That sounds about right on both accounts. Follow your 318 at all costs.

[eagerbeaver]

yourhavingalarf:

sweepster:
This time of year and during Christmas pressure you’ll always see sub contractors pulling Royal Mail trailers. Fly by night however have been doing this for quite a while now, but also using their own trailers.

Mate of mine…

Is subbing for RM. Last Friday’s was run empty to Knowsley, then run 6 yorks to Atherstone and then empty back to the yard near Halifax.

I reckon a small group of baboons could organise things better.

Totally agree with you mate, expecting people to go anywhere near Liverpool is cruel…

[dozy]

Does stobart still exist , coming down from Sheffield yesterday all we saw was culina units , must say they did like a better spec from outside compared to anything stobarts ever provided me with

[winseer]

WheelsofCardiff:

Winseer:
TO maximize worker losses, first get them to agree a low hourly rate, and then once they accept that - permit them to work maxed-out hours all the time, with no time-and-a-half for overtime, but merely “allowances added” that make you feel richer when you are in fact getting poorer in real terms by the hour…

Inflation is over 4% now, and looks set to remain that way for some time.

This means that “Marking Time” on ANYTHING - is a sure-fire way to lose money OVER time.

What are you on about. Its not making sense. Even if you pay drivers 50 an hour. Companies will still be short. Royal Mail cant even get staff.

RM can’t be that desperate for staff, as they have not re-considered having me back there yet.
Making decisions on “who gets work” and “who don’t” - based around “Do we like him?” rather than “Has he got a clean licence, and knows already how to do the jobs” - is just bad business imo.

I also note that RM have not upped their hourly rates on agency this year… Which now means RM are no longer the top payers on agency any more…
Is it any wonder they cannot get drivers any more, if they are turning away people like moi at the same time as telling other would-be drivers that you can expect 90 minutes rather than 60 to be deducted from your 12 hour shift, “Do Not Pay” written on your sheet on assessement/induction day, and not being warned of the inter-office acting managerial backbiting that will have you ■■■■■■■ in knots, pleasing one manager’s instructions, only to fall foul of another, who’s given you contradictory instructions?

Acting Manager #1
“We operate a closed-door policy here. If you leave more than 9 minutes late - you’re in the crap, guy…”

ActingManager #2
“If you close that door and leave now, you’re willfully delaying the mail you’re shutting out, as we’re only dropping the 1st class frame now at the time you’re due to leave - and I’ll make sure you never work here again if you do that”.

The only way to get past all this, is to refuse to partake of depots that actually have jobsworth acting managers working there, such as just about every MLO in Kent in my case.

I never had any bother when assigned to the Coventry runs, especially the ones running out of Crayford where no one knows me… Senior Dead-Man’s Shoes jobs them Crayford Coventry Parcel force runs!

The most bother - came from “Anything running into Cuxton/Canterbury/Tonbridge mail centers”, (in my case) places that did have actual managers once-upon a time that were long since put out to pasture, and replaced with ex-union committee types too chicken to take voluntary redundancy when it was offered, that clung onto this “job for life” concept… However, they happen to know all the dodges, proper “Poachers-■■■-gamekeepers” as it were… The resentment didn’t seem to start - until I grabbed the money with both hands whilst I could, during a period that other drivers senior to me struggled to find their own arses with both hands, something I took rapid advantage of at the time… It was great being 31st in seniority and grabbing the 9th of 10 MTSF voluntary redundancy places in the end… I never regretted leaving when I did as a full-timer, and I believe that the best job at RM is now since to be had via agency rather than as a full timer these days, because on agency - you get to do the better senior driver’s jobs, rather than obliged to sign into a crappy 318 or becoming an ADSO/Adhoc worker, totally unable to plan your working week… “Any five from seven” goes without saying…

[sweepster]

Winseer:

WheelsofCardiff:

Winseer:
TO maximize worker losses, first get them to agree a low hourly rate, and then once they accept that - permit them to work maxed-out hours all the time, with no time-and-a-half for overtime, but merely “allowances added” that make you feel richer when you are in fact getting poorer in real terms by the hour…

Inflation is over 4% now, and looks set to remain that way for some time.

This means that “Marking Time” on ANYTHING - is a sure-fire way to lose money OVER time.

What are you on about. Its not making sense. Even if you pay drivers 50 an hour. Companies will still be short. Royal Mail cant even get staff.

RM can’t be that desperate for staff, as they have not re-considered having me back there yet.
Making decisions on “who gets work” and “who don’t” - based around “Do we like him?” rather than “Has he got a clean licence, and knows already how to do the jobs” - is just bad business imo.

I also note that RM have not upped their hourly rates on agency this year… Which now means RM are no longer the top payers on agency any more…
Is it any wonder they cannot get drivers any more, if they are turning away people like moi at the same time as telling other would-be drivers that you can expect 90 minutes rather than 60 to be deducted from your 12 hour shift, “Do Not Pay” written on your sheet on assessement/induction day, and not being warned of the inter-office acting managerial backbiting that will have you ■■■■■■■ in knots, pleasing one manager’s instructions, only to fall foul of another, who’s given you contradictory instructions?

Acting Manager #1
“We operate a closed-door policy here. If you leave more than 9 minutes late - you’re in the crap, guy…”

ActingManager #2
“If you close that door and leave now, you’re willfully delaying the mail you’re shutting out, as we’re only dropping the 1st class frame now at the time you’re due to leave - and I’ll make sure you never work here again if you do that”.

The only way to get past all this, is to refuse to partake of depots that actually have jobsworth acting managers working there, such as just about every MLO in Kent in my case.

I never had any bother when assigned to the Coventry runs, especially the ones running out of Crayford where no one knows me… Senior Dead-Man’s Shoes jobs them Crayford Coventry Parcel force runs!

The most bother - came from “Anything running into Cuxton/Canterbury/Tonbridge mail centers”, (in my case) places that did have actual managers once-upon a time that were long since put out to pasture, and replaced with ex-union committee types too chicken to take voluntary redundancy when it was offered, that clung onto this “job for life” concept… However, they happen to know all the dodges, proper “Poachers-■■■-gamekeepers” as it were… The resentment didn’t seem to start - until I grabbed the money with both hands whilst I could, during a period that other drivers senior to me struggled to find their own arses with both hands, something I took rapid advantage of at the time… It was great being 31st in seniority and grabbing the 9th of 10 MTSF voluntary redundancy places in the end… I never regretted leaving when I did as a full-timer, and I believe that the best job at RM is now since to be had via agency rather than as a full timer these days, because on agency - you get to do the better senior driver’s jobs, rather than obliged to sign into a crappy 318 or becoming an ADSO/Adhoc worker, totally unable to plan your working week… “Any five from seven” goes without saying…

Agency are straight onto parity pay now. Do you really think Royal Mail would pay the agency drivers more than it’s employed drivers?
The days of 45 for 8 up to 1.30 for 12 are gone now, Rep said too many drivers moaning, so they changed it. We’re the same as the rest now, with Royal Mail even putting a split meal relief into the 318. I find with 30 mins you’d have to rush your food, so I always take a 45 anyway.

[winseer]

^^^^ it isn’t about the pay any more - it’s about the way you get treated there.

[andrejs]

dozy:
Does stobart still exist , coming down from Sheffield yesterday all we saw was culina units , must say they did like a better spec from outside compared to anything stobarts ever provided me with

I think ready st least some 400 new Scania with Culina livery. This new truck started from ESL numbers about H6400.But I seen today ready truck with some H6850.Inside all same .Just better top drawers and seats from leather.Plus,at dashboard can see axle wage.From outside more light-top,middle light,one big diesel tank.