CookieMonster:
And as for the insurance, tell me where you think I’m wrong, and I’ll gladly keep correcting you, cause you’re right, this is fun
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Ok, so earlier you stated along the lines of "if a driver has a few the night before and goes on to wipe out a family then his Co (employers) would be screwed as the insurance would not pay out/be invalid ". Would you like me to correct your ridiculous statement or perhaps you’d prefer anyone else who doesn’t believe RDC bollox to explain that one to you?
As for DCPC, digital cards etc etc etc I have no problem with any of that, what saddens me however are people like yourself , basically a car driver who lucked into an HGV licence willingly surrendering all of your freedoms (hard won by past generations upon past generations) on the ridiculous premise of “.if you haven’t done anything wrong you’ve nothing to fear”.
Ok, back to the insurance issue. Would the insurance cover an accident if you knowingly took out a defective vehicle? No. Or if you took one without MOT? No. What about if your insecure load fell off? No. Maybe if you were speeding? Or driving down the wrong side of the motorway? Or were using your phone? No, no and no.
And why wouldn’t they cover? Because they will not accept liability for damages caused during the commission of a crime, and all of these things are illegal. Just like drink driving!
And as for being basically a glorified car driver, lucky to have my license? Maybe I am lucky, I know I feel both fortunate and privileged to call myself a HGV driver. I worked ■■■■ hard to become one, and I’ll be damned if I’m going to do anything that would put that at risk.
I agree (as much as that might seem hard to believe) that we shouldn’t have to be tested, but the risks and consequences of not testing far outweigh protecting a few people’s sensitivities.
Re insurance; seriously mate you are insured under all of the scenarios you outlined above. Admittedly they’d not pay out for any injuries sustained to yourself, but nonetheless you are very much still insured.
the maoster:
Re insurance; seriously mate you are insured under all of the scenarios you outlined above. Admittedly they’d not pay out for any injuries sustained to yourself, but nonetheless you are very much still insured.
You know what, if I’m wrong, I’m wrong. I’ll happily hold my hands up. I’d still rather never find myself in a position to find out the hard way, but there we go.
the maoster:
The point is not HGV drivers crashing into things whilst drunk. Obviously it goes without saying that being impaired through drink, drugs or whatever whilst behind the wheel should be dealt with appropriately, my point is that we already have an agency tasked with policing that, snappily named “the police” it is their job to do that. Quite frankly Darkside you’ve surprised me with your post as I always had you down as a cynic of the big brother approach to life. Maybe I misread you?
No mate you have me bob on as cynical…
However all companies have a duty of care by law to the public with regard to people being fit to drive. As a CPC holder, if some clown runs into someone while under the influence it comes back to bite me, in the form of “the police”, unless I can prove some process is in place to prevent it happening.
Be aware if you don’t like doing a test (and I admit I wouldn’t) you can refuse, and request the police do it.
What gets me is the fact that we have to be seen to do these awful tests in the first place.
I totally understand your reasoning behind what you’re saying mate, I don’t necessarily agree with it, but hey, that’s what forums are for isn’t it?
How about a real curve ball here then? If Companies showed more diligence during the recruiting process, altered their business model so they could pay higher wages, showed an actual duty of care to employees rather than a HR box ticking exercise, then just maybe they’d recruit and retain the calibre of driver who doesn’t need micro managing?
If a company altered it’s business model to pay higher wages…
To do this you have to charge the customer more, which means, unless all your competitors do the same the customer will 9 times out of 10 go elsewhere for their transport.
It isn’t all drivers, but I wouldn’t be far wrong in suggesting 5-10% of drivers need continually hand holding and looking after. These are the same percentage that have got us in the position we are now with load security.
I’m with Maoster on this (which is not surprising as we’re the same person on here according to one or two )
I’m sickened by this lack of resistance by drivers against insults to their integrity and worse those who are totally brainwashed by all this corporate ■■■■■■■■ ‘‘Because my boss said so’’ , …and go on to regurgitate all the corporate crap and false agendas fed to them.
I run 100% legal, I don’t do drugs and I do not drive over the limit, so I have nothing to fear on that score.
Do I care or protest if I am suspected, or falsely accused,… or worse some tin pot test being carried out by some unqualified ideas above is station fellow ■■■■ employee?
Too ■■■■ right I do, I’m totally insulted.
If you think I’ve done anything wrong call the Law, and do not insult my professionalism.
I’ll ask Mr C.Monster the same question I.always do to these type of guys…How far exactly do you go with your ‘‘Done nothing wrong, nothing to fear’’ policy?
Whatvabout…
Your Boss says to you…‘‘Hey Cookie we’re upping the ante on the drugs thing tmoz, we think drivers are illegally bringing them in and selling to other drivers, so be in my office 8am sharp, bent over my desk, kecks round yer ankles…I’ll have my rubber glove on to do an intimate search’’
I reckon you’d say …
‘‘Ok Mr Bossman sir, I’ll be there cheeks parted prompt, and I promise to keep off the vindaloo tonight especially for you sir’’
After all mate, you’ve done nowt wrong, what have you to fear??
and you don’t want to lose yer job as you love it.
Maybe he’s right Maost, we’ve been in the job too ■■■■ long, we should enrol for a ‘‘Borg course’’ to fit in with everybody else eh? Wonder if it would count towards the cpc ■■
I’m in the I don’t care camp. Plenty of other professions are randomly tested, why should lorry drivers be exempt? My best mates a Project manager on HS2 and he gets randomly tested sometimes twice a week!
maga:
I’m in the I don’t care camp. Plenty of other professions are randomly tested, why should lorry drivers be exempt? My best mates a Project manager on HS2 and he gets randomly tested sometimes twice a week!
maga:
I’m in the I don’t care camp. Plenty of other professions are randomly tested, why should lorry drivers be exempt? My best mates a Project manager on HS2 and he gets randomly tested sometimes twice a week!
I bet your mate is on a lot more money than the average truck driver’s measly 10 quid an hour.
Christ, even I would gladly jump through one or two hoops for the salary of an HS 2 project manager.
As a compromise there should be a policy of ‘‘Reason to believe guilt’’
We all know the stars we work with who are borderline ■■■■■■ on a morning, or the ones who are coke heads, concentrate on those lot, and leave the innocents alone.
I reckon if I was accused at work, I’d tell them if they thought I was ■■■■■■ or coked up to ring the law telling them they had a driver unfit to drive, while I was sat in the yard with engine running, or wait to I got out of the yard and inform on me…otherwise ■■■■ off.
I agree with ezydriver, I’m sick of all this b/s type crap that has infiltrated our job.
I’ve done this job for too bloody long, I can drive anything, go anywhere, back an atric on a 10p piece, run without being spoon fed on my initiative and everything else that 30+ yrs experience brings, …but it seems all that aint required anymore, yes men serial conformists and guys who need telling everything up to when to wipe their arses are now the new preference.
If I could afford it, I’d jack tomorrow.
A wee bit of the road and into the ditch about what the post started out about is since cannabis has been made legal over here in Canada I noticed the wages for cross border work in my rural area has risen even for the small grain companies(seems the younger gen cant pass the drug test) so right or wrong I peed in a jar and start running south again ,never say never and all that ELD bullshine (no logbooks for me ).jimmy.
maga:
I’m in the I don’t care camp. Plenty of other professions are randomly tested, why should lorry drivers be exempt? My best mates a Project manager on HS2 and he gets randomly tested sometimes twice a week!
I bet your mate is on a lot more money than the average truck driver’s measly 10 quid an hour.
Christ, even I would gladly jump through one or two hoops for the salary of an HS 2 project manager.
As a compromise there should be a policy of ‘‘Reason to believe guilt’’
We all know the stars we work with who are borderline ■■■■■■ on a morning, or the ones who are coke heads, concentrate on those lot, and leave the innocents alone.
I reckon if I was accused at work, I’d tell them if they thought I was ■■■■■■ or coked up to ring the law telling them they had a driver unfit to drive, while I was sat in the yard with engine running, or wait to I got out of the yard and inform on me…otherwise [zb] off.
I agree with ezydriver, I’m sick of all this b/s type crap that has infiltrated our job.
I’ve done this job for too bloody long, I can drive anything, go anywhere, back an atric on a 10p piece, run without being spoon fed on my initiative and everything else that 30+ yrs experience brings, …but it seems all that aint required anymore, yes men serial conformists and guys who need telling everything up to when to wipe their arses are now the new preference.
If I could afford it, I’d jack tomorrow.
I would only test drivers we believe to be under the influence, but this has to be done carefully or you can open yourself up to ‘bullying’ accusations… (Remember the snowflake on here a little while ago who reckoned he was being bullied because someone at work didn’t like him…)
I like you have been in 30+ years ( I am hoping to get out within the next 2 or 3 when I have paid some debt off). What you have to realise everything has changed, the job and the drivers.
I never commented on the thread, but recently someone put on TN how they tripped over one of the large kerbs in a services and broke their shoulder. I was interested in some of the replies telling the OP to put a claim in, even though surely you look where you are putting your feet when walking?
We can’t have it both ways. If we want to be treated like grown ups, we all have to act like grown ups, but unfortunately this industry is now getting full of people I wouldn’t trust to sit on a toilet the right way round.
maga:
I’m in the I don’t care camp. Plenty of other professions are randomly tested, why should lorry drivers be exempt? My best mates a Project manager on HS2 and he gets randomly tested sometimes twice a week!
I bet your mate is on a lot more money than the average truck driver’s measly 10 quid an hour.
Christ, even I would gladly jump through one or two hoops for the salary of an HS 2 project manager.
As a compromise there should be a policy of ‘‘Reason to believe guilt’’
We all know the stars we work with who are borderline ■■■■■■ on a morning, or the ones who are coke heads, concentrate on those lot, and leave the innocents alone.
I reckon if I was accused at work, I’d tell them if they thought I was ■■■■■■ or coked up to ring the law telling them they had a driver unfit to drive, while I was sat in the yard with engine running, or wait to I got out of the yard and inform on me…otherwise [zb] off.
I agree with ezydriver, I’m sick of all this b/s type crap that has infiltrated our job.
I’ve done this job for too bloody long, I can drive anything, go anywhere, back an atric on a 10p piece, run without being spoon fed on my initiative and everything else that 30+ yrs experience brings, …but it seems all that aint required anymore, yes men serial conformists and guys who need telling everything up to when to wipe their arses are now the new preference.
If I could afford it, I’d jack tomorrow.
I would only test drivers we believe to be under the influence, but this has to be done carefully or you can open yourself up to ‘bullying’ accusations… (Remember the snowflake on here a little while ago who reckoned he was being bullied because someone at work didn’t like him…)
I like you have been in 30+ years ( I am hoping to get out within the next 2 or 3 when I have paid some debt off). What you have to realise everything has changed, the job and the drivers.
I never commented on the thread, but recently someone put on TN how they tripped over one of the large kerbs in a services and broke their shoulder. I was interested in some of the replies telling the OP to put a claim in, even though surely you look where you are putting your feet when walking?
We can’t have it both ways. If we want to be treated like grown ups, we all have to act like grown ups, but unfortunately this industry is now getting full of people I wouldn’t trust to sit on a toilet the right way round.
Yep it has changed, and beyond recognition since I kicked off with it.
Point is though many of the changes that are negative towards drivers are down to driver’s attitudes and readily accepting any old sh without question or resistance., as you say they have changed, again beyond recognition.
‘‘They’’ (the managers) only do to you what they can get away with, they get away with it because drivers are just so ■■■■ docile and subservient to what they once were,l.
Some to the point of being ■■■■ brainwashed by actually re.preaching all the crap they have been fed …just look at some of the posts on this forum, it’s embarrasinglly pathetic sometimes ffs.
If there was some protective body out there to monitor us, we would not have to put up with half the sh out there.
Case in point, any driver I know who is looked after by dare I say it…a Union, is on better t.s and c.s than me, and have to put up with half of the crap that I do.
That might not fit in with the general way of thinking on here, but it’s undeniably accurate.
, …and go on to regurgitate all the corporate crap and false agendas fed to them.
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