animal:
This may be of some use to you as well
Yes I all ready have this on my iPad. This is where my confusion began regarding records kept. If you have the time could you pleas refer to page 27. Reference Driver Records Sheets, which can been seen towards the very end of the document in Annex 3. Would this not be suitable to carry around as proof as it requires my boss to sign it which then shows he is also aware of my hours and rest etc…
Thank you for your help so far
BrettRE:
animal:
This may be of some use to you as wellYes I all ready have this on my iPad. This is where my confusion began regarding records kept. If you have the time could you pleas refer to page 27. Reference Driver Records Sheets, which can been seen towards the very end of the document in Annex 3. Would this not be suitable to carry around as proof as it requires my boss to sign it which then shows he is also aware of my hours and rest etc…
Thank you for your help so far
You could do that or make your own daily / weekly time sheet up to record your working hr
BrettRE:
I’m still a serving Soldier. I have been rather reserved to ask for help on here because there seems to be a lot of animosity towards not just new drivers but especially squadie drivers.
I hope your view of those on here has now changed
I doubt if there is one member who does not support you as a serving member of the armed forces especially one who is due to go on tour again probably into a hot zone
The negativity, from what I can gather, is when someone who has just left the services and cannot get a civvy LGV job (because the employers know that LGV driving in the services is very different for that in civvy street) comes onto a site like this and complains about it
It must be frustrating for someone in such a position especially if they have been driving LGVs for years in the forces but the fault lies with the high ups in the forces in not preparing the drivers for civvy street properly
If the forces allowed more to do what you are currently doing then that might help but then there is the other downside with many who want jobs seeing someone who is already getting paid by the forces encroaching into the civvy jobs market - you cannot win !!
My full support goes with you on your next tour in March
BrettRE:
animal:
This may be of some use to you as wellYes I all ready have this on my iPad. This is where my confusion began regarding records kept. If you have the time could you pleas refer to page 27. Reference Driver Records Sheets, which can been seen towards the very end of the document in Annex 3. Would this not be suitable to carry around as proof as it requires my boss to sign it which then shows he is also aware of my hours and rest etc…
Thank you for your help so far
The driver record sheets being refered to are record sheets for those driving under UK domestic rules
VOSA in the UK will accept those but unlikely that any other EU authority will
The other problem you have as a forces driver ( or some ) they cant reverse dont know about driver hour & tacho cant couple/uncouple dont know what the trailer break is
Yep I have experienced most of the above
Also take the attitude I fought for Queen & country so I should have a job NOW
Yep you were lucky enough to be able to to that but unfortunately it count for very little on civvy street
Just some of the attitude that has come across sorry no disrespect to you
BTW my daughter best mate is on his 4th tour of duty of Afgan
He has been here many times between them aswell
My thoughts BrettRE, just carry on as you’re doing now, if stopped by VOSA tell them you’re financially independant so you choose to drive the odd weekend for fun and perhaps you also donate any wages earned to H4H andvduring the week you play tennis and fondle women! 
VOSA cannot check your financial status and it’s up to them to prove guilt, not you your innocence. If this fails you do have access to guns!
AFAIC even working 5 days as a squaddie in the UK will not in any way tire you enough to create a problem with weekend driving. You’re defending the freedoms of stone age people on the other side of the world whilst unelected suits over here are eroding a working mans right to work as and when he/she pleases.
BrettRE:
Is there anyway I could do two Saturdays at work on the trott then have the following weekend off?Example:
1st Saturday- Work
2nd Saturday- Work
3rd Saturday- Rest
4th Saturday- Work
5th Saturday- Work
6th Saturday- RestEtc
Or would I have to work one weekend rest the next? Or will I have to completely abide by the weekly driving scheme? Or am I being a ■■■■?
Thanks for your help
If you want to maximise your working hours it would almost certainly be possible to legally work 2 consecutive Saturdays and have the weekend off on the third week.
To work this out properly it would help to know what time you start on Mondays.
tachograph:
If you want to maximise your working hours it would almost certainly be possible to legally work 2 consecutive Saturdays and have the weekend off on the third week.To work this out properly it would help to know what time you start on Mondays.
Saturday-Start work at 0430-0500. Finish any where in between 1700-2000hrs. (Normally up there with the max 15hr day and extended to 10hrs Drive time.
Monday start would need to be in the afternoon … yes?
Reply to all above post in a one’r.
Indeed my opinion has changed. The response I’ve had has been very helpful and no personal digs. I completely understand how gents on here moan especially about ex squadies. Most of them think they are owed the world. What they don’t realise is how much harder Civi street is. I don’t work enough through the week to even warrant sleeping at night. Haha. This is why I work at weekends purely out of boredom. Well unless I’m abroad on tour and such like.
Well my normal Monday to Friday working weeks look a little bit like below. (Please do not judge, the hours are through no choice of my own)
Monday 1000-1600 = 6hrs
Tuesday 0800-1600 = 8hrs
Wednesday 0800-1200 = 4hrs
Thursday 0800-1600 = 8hrs
Friday 0800-1200 = 4hrs
Total Army Hours worked per week: 30hrs Average
With your start and finish times in the week you can easily work 2 consecutive Saturdays as long as you then have the weekend off in the third week, you could continue this sequence as long as you please.
A weekly rest period that crosses 2 weeks (00:00 Monday to 24:00 Sunday) can be used for either week but not both, so where the weekly rest period of over 45 hours finishes on Monday you will start the week with a regular 45 hour weekly rest period.
(Week 0) No driving so weekend off which will give you a regular weekly rest period for week 1 (12:00 Friday to 10:00 Monday).
(Week 1) Work Saturday and have a reduced weekly rest period of approximately 38 hours from approximately 20:00 Saturday to 10:00 Monday (counts for week 2).
(Week 2) Work Saturday and have a reduced weekly rest period, this reduced weekly rest period is used only to start a new set of six 24 hour periods so no compensation is required.
(week 3) Same as Week 0
(Week 4) Same as Week 1
(Week 5) Same as Week 3
The sequence continues.
Compensation for the reduced weekly rest period will be paid back on the Following Wednesday when you finish at 12:00, but even if it’s not paid back then for any reason it will easily be paid on the weekend that you don’t drive
The start and finish times I’ve put in the example don’t need to be very precise and it really doesn’t matter in your case to within 3 or 4 hours either way.
If I’ve worked this out wrong I’m sure someone will point it out 
Tachograph. I can not thank you enough for taking the time out of your day to help me out. If your information is correct which I am sure it is, it will has saved me all sorts of dramas and problems.
The only other thing is, reference the the Driver Record sheet for domestic driving within the uk. (previously posted in this thread). Which is the only driving I will be doing for the foreseeable future, so I have established that I can use these to prove my weekly work within the Army and VOSA types should be happy with this. I wouldn’t suppose you or anyone else would know where I can find/obtain them?
Again cheers for taking your time to help me out
BrettRE:
Tachograph. I can not thank you enough for taking the time out of your day to help me out. If your information is correct which I am sure it is, it will has saved me all sorts of dramas and problems.The only other thing is, reference the the Driver Record sheet for domestic driving within the uk. (previously posted in this thread). Which is the only driving I will be doing for the foreseeable future, so I have established that I can use these to prove my weekly work within the Army and VOSA types should be happy with this. I wouldn’t suppose you or anyone else would know where I can find/obtain them?
Again cheers for taking your time to help me out
Sorry if I’m misunderstanding this but are you driving to EU regulations or domestic regulations ?
I think we’ve all assumed you’re working to EU regulations 
Anyway assuming that you are in fact working to EU regulations, I think you might as well use a diary or notebook as a domestic log book as neither are strictly legal but we’re told will be accepted by VOSA.
However if you do choose to keep records of other work on log sheets you could probably print some off yourself if you have access to a printer, have a look at page 49 here
I think we’ve all assumed you’re working to EU regulations
Anyway assuming that you are in fact working to EU regulations, I think you might as well use a diary or notebook as a domestic log book as neither are strictly legal but we’re told will be accepted by VOSA.
Indeed I am that’s just me wording things like a ■■■■. I was supposed to say would these be ok to use? Even it comes to me using a normal diary, I’m hoping VOSA will see I have put effort into recording my hours etc, as long as I don’t gob off humble pie etc and the VOSA bod has not had a bad day they should HOPEFULLY be ok with it. I’ve also taken your Brilliant table and saved it to my iPad, which I have on me all the time to show them exactly how a normal week would work for me.
BrettRE:
I think we’ve all assumed you’re working to EU regulations
Anyway assuming that you are in fact working to EU regulations, I think you might as well use a diary or notebook as a domestic log book as neither are strictly legal but we’re told will be accepted by VOSA.
Indeed I am that’s just me wording things like a ■■■■. I was supposed to say would these be ok to use? Even it comes to me using a normal diary, I’m hoping VOSA will see I have put effort into recording my hours etc, as long as I don’t gob off humble pie etc and the VOSA bod has not had a bad day they should HOPEFULLY be ok with it. I’ve also taken your Brilliant table and saved it to my iPad, which I have on me all the time to show them exactly how a normal week would work for me.
I can’t see any reason why you shouldn’t use those sheets or a diary, neither are strictly legal but there are quite a few people who say they’ve been stopped and VOSA have been OK with them.
The worst thing you can do when meeting VOSA is to display attitude, I’ve always found that if you treat them as you would expect to be treated when doing the job you’re paid to do they’re fine.
Good luck with the job
Indeed.
Well thank you very much for all your help.
BRILLIANT tachograph
I have bookmarked that colourful post for future reference
In the past I and many others have always done the full weekly rest to count for the non driving week when doing another mon to fri job but as you pointed out that is not necessary
How come none of us sussed that one out before ?
PS - that might also work for someone doing a mon to fri job with different hours as long as the payback is covered - possibly on the non counted reduced weekly rest … yes?
