Bluey Circles:
I can’t see how you could have a reading of 172 without being an alcoholic, that level would kill your average bloke - I would be asking questions of his manager of how he didn’t suspect something. About time those a little higher up the trough started to take more responsibility.
Christ mate don’t suggest that on here…
There was a thread on here recently about drink/drug testing at work, and the common consensus was it was against the grain, and a personal slur, to do this.
I have drink tested drivers, and I hate doing it.
I genuinely believe we will see more widespread testing soon, even down to mandatory testing at some delivery points…
I am not keen on that.
Yes you are right mandatory testing will become standard practice, just another hurdle passed on the race to the bottom, whoosh there we go.
Peanuts paid expected results recruited job dumbed down to accommodate…aha if we dumb it down even further we can attract more and cheaper people, did it never once occur to these highly paid suits that if the job is made suitable for dummies then there might be a proportion of dummies attracted?
Simultaneously by dumbing down the job, those who take a pride in their work and do their best become demoralised because they find the skilled job they once took a pride in doing well dumbed down to the level of the biggest idiot the company can recruit.
Only an alcoholic could have that high a reading without being seriously ill, which makes it even worse - because it means this wasn’t the first time he’s driven whilst off his face.
Bluey Circles:
how much would you have to have on board to blow that?
i’m thinking 2.5 pints for 35mg, so to blow 172 - 12 pints? it be a fair skinfull
Dunno i have had a few lucky escapes (driving own car) after drinking more than 2-3 pints Once when i was in my 20’s used to go out of town to various pubs & night clubs,i was steaming, got bagged and the crystals didn’t change , the plod knew i was over but was unable to arrest me
And several years later got stopped in my own town again i had drunk 5-6 pints maybe more, the electronic breath tester gave an amber to say it had detected alcohol on my breath, which wasn’t sufficient cause to arrest me of suspicion of drink driving, metabolism plays a big part in what gets detected and what doesn’t ,
Although i had had a few, my driving wasn’t erratic or unsafe ( i wasn’t swerving from left to right) my vision was fine and speech not slurred I have been a lot more danger driving when tired whilst at the wheel of a 44t artic
I’m genuinely embarrassed for you. Imagine posting on here to tell everyone you were a regularly drink driver and you got away with it like it’s a badge of honour. Then to continue to try justify it by saying your driving wasn’t erratic. You’re a [zb].
Completely agree, shouldn’t be dumb enough to get in a car after 6 pints as a driver. It should be a limit of 0 … simple u driver u don’t drink u drink u don’t drive. In a car 10 year ban truck lifetime ban and 6 months gaol
What was the norm 30 years ago isn’t now, in 30 years time what we consider normal now will be viewed with horror by the generation of the time then, who think they know best, and in turn their ideas 30 years down the line will again be wrong for the next gen.
Several hundred years ago sadists and brainwashed ignoramuses burned people at the stake or far worse punishments for having the wrong beliefs or simply being accused of witchcraft, some cultures might still be doing similar to people who don’t agree with their beliefs or submit to them.
Bluey Circles:
I can’t see how you could have a reading of 172 without being an alcoholic, that level would kill your average bloke - I would be asking questions of his manager of how he didn’t suspect something. About time those a little higher up the trough started to take more responsibility.
Christ mate don’t suggest that on here…
There was a thread on here recently about drink/drug testing at work, and the common consensus was it was against the grain, and a personal slur, to do this.
I have drink tested drivers, and I hate doing it.
I genuinely believe we will see more widespread testing soon, even down to mandatory testing at some delivery points…
I am not keen on that.
Yes you are right mandatory testing will become standard practice, just another hurdle passed on the race to the bottom, whoosh there we go.
Peanuts paid expected results recruited job dumbed down to accommodate…aha if we dumb it down even further we can attract more and cheaper people, did it never once occur to these highly paid suits that if the job is made suitable for dummies then there might be a proportion of dummies attracted?
Simultaneously by dumbing down the job, those who take a pride in their work and do their best become demoralised because they find the skilled job they once took a pride in doing well dumbed down to the level of the biggest idiot the company can recruit.
It annoys me that when these people are caught they say they are only a “social” drinker. There’s nothing sociable about having a skin full then getting behind the wheel of any vehicle with the potential to cause havoc due to their irresponsible actions.
Must go, this halo’s choking me!
Bluey Circles:
I can’t see how you could have a reading of 172 without being an alcoholic, that level would kill your average bloke - I would be asking questions of his manager of how he didn’t suspect something. About time those a little higher up the trough started to take more responsibility.
Christ mate don’t suggest that on here…
There was a thread on here recently about drink/drug testing at work, and the common consensus was it was against the grain, and a personal slur, to do this.
I have drink tested drivers, and I hate doing it.
I genuinely believe we will see more widespread testing soon, even down to mandatory testing at some delivery points…
I am not keen on that.
No, I wasn’t meaning some form of mandatory testing, not sure what I think of that. I was more meaning would it not be obvious to another that you were working with an alckie ? (someone downing a bottle of vodka a day) I know a couple and it is pretty obvious there is something sadly wrong with them (neither drive) tbh I don’t know, may be some alkies look and behave entirely normally ?
Bluey Circles:
how much would you have to have on board to blow that?
i’m thinking 2.5 pints for 35mg, so to blow 172 - 12 pints? it be a fair skinfull
Dunno i have had a few lucky escapes (driving own car) after drinking more than 2-3 pints Once when i was in my 20’s used to go out of town to various pubs & night clubs,i was steaming, got bagged and the crystals didn’t change , the plod knew i was over but was unable to arrest me
And several years later got stopped in my own town again i had drunk 5-6 pints maybe more, the electronic breath tester gave an amber to say it had detected alcohol on my breath, which wasn’t sufficient cause to arrest me of suspicion of drink driving, metabolism plays a big part in what gets detected and what doesn’t ,
Although i had had a few, my driving wasn’t erratic or unsafe ( i wasn’t swerving from left to right) my vision was fine and speech not slurred I have been a lot more danger driving when tired whilst at the wheel of a 44t artic
I’m genuinely embarrassed for you. Imagine posting on here to tell everyone you were a regularly drink driver and you got away with it like it’s a badge of honour. Then to continue to try justify it by saying your driving wasn’t erratic. You’re a [zb].
In fairness to Tommy - it depends how long ago he’s talking about, back in the 70s people thought it was funny. I have never drunk then driven as my licience has always been so important to me (I do wonder about some early starts in the distant past though) but there was a time that I knew many many people who did drink and drive and it didn’t bother me in the slightest, it was once socially acceptable - it isnt now and I would now shop someone who I knew was.
So what do you tell a newly qualified driver who asks the question? Commercial aviation rules specify 0.04% blood alcohol level, and in addition “8 hours bottle to throttle”. If you’re not going to breathalyse yourself, the advice to pilots is 48 hours “bottle to throttle”.
That’s what I would advise a new commercial driver…
Bluey Circles:
how much would you have to have on board to blow that?
i’m thinking 2.5 pints for 35mg, so to blow 172 - 12 pints? it be a fair skinfull
Dunno i have had a few lucky escapes (driving own car) after drinking more than 2-3 pints Once when i was in my 20’s used to go out of town to various pubs & night clubs,i was steaming, got bagged and the crystals didn’t change , the plod knew i was over but was unable to arrest me
And several years later got stopped in my own town again i had drunk 5-6 pints maybe more, the electronic breath tester gave an amber to say it had detected alcohol on my breath, which wasn’t sufficient cause to arrest me of suspicion of drink driving, metabolism plays a big part in what gets detected and what doesn’t ,
Although i had had a few, my driving wasn’t erratic or unsafe ( i wasn’t swerving from left to right) my vision was fine and speech not slurred I have been a lot more danger driving when tired whilst at the wheel of a 44t artic
I’m genuinely embarrassed for you. Imagine posting on here to tell everyone you were a regularly drink driver and you got away with it like it’s a badge of honour. Then to continue to try justify it by saying your driving wasn’t erratic. You’re a [zb].
Completely agree, shouldn’t be dumb enough to get in a car after 6 pints as a driver. It should be a limit of 0 … simple u driver u don’t drink u drink u don’t drive. In a car 10 year ban truck lifetime ban and 6 months gaol
What was the norm 30 years ago isn’t now, in 30 years time what we consider normal now will be viewed with horror by the generation of the time then, who think they know best, and in turn their ideas 30 years down the line will again be wrong for the next gen.
Several hundred years ago sadists and brainwashed ignoramuses burned people at the stake or far worse punishments for having the wrong beliefs or simply being accused of witchcraft, some cultures might still be doing similar to people who don’t agree with their beliefs or submit to them.
The problem is not when it happened but the fact he thought his driving was OK when over the limit
If someone thinks their driving is OK when over the limit what else do they think is safe…
I read about another driver on here recently that thought he was 100% safe whilst muti tasking.
Bluey Circles:
how much would you have to have on board to blow that?
i’m thinking 2.5 pints for 35mg, so to blow 172 - 12 pints? it be a fair skinfull
Dunno i have had a few lucky escapes (driving own car) after drinking more than 2-3 pints Once when i was in my 20’s used to go out of town to various pubs & night clubs,i was steaming, got bagged and the crystals didn’t change , the plod knew i was over but was unable to arrest me
And several years later got stopped in my own town again i had drunk 5-6 pints maybe more, the electronic breath tester gave an amber to say it had detected alcohol on my breath, which wasn’t sufficient cause to arrest me of suspicion of drink driving, metabolism plays a big part in what gets detected and what doesn’t ,
Although i had had a few, my driving wasn’t erratic or unsafe ( i wasn’t swerving from left to right) my vision was fine and speech not slurred I have been a lot more danger driving when tired whilst at the wheel of a 44t artic
Even twenty years ago that was the norm. I know I’ve climbed into the car with a drunk driver in the past, something I wouldn’t dream of doing now. But these days it’s no longer acceptable.
If we want the added responsibility of being a professional driver, we should expect to jump through hoops to prove it. Just a shame the pay and conditions don’t match that status.
Bluey Circles:
how much would you have to have on board to blow that?
i’m thinking 2.5 pints for 35mg, so to blow 172 - 12 pints? it be a fair skinfull
Dunno i have had a few lucky escapes (driving own car) after drinking more than 2-3 pints Once when i was in my 20’s used to go out of town to various pubs & night clubs,i was steaming, got bagged and the crystals didn’t change , the plod knew i was over but was unable to arrest me
And several years later got stopped in my own town again i had drunk 5-6 pints maybe more, the electronic breath tester gave an amber to say it had detected alcohol on my breath, which wasn’t sufficient cause to arrest me of suspicion of drink driving, metabolism plays a big part in what gets detected and what doesn’t ,
Although i had had a few, my driving wasn’t erratic or unsafe ( i wasn’t swerving from left to right) my vision was fine and speech not slurred I have been a lot more danger driving when tired whilst at the wheel of a 44t artic
I’m genuinely embarrassed for you. Imagine posting on here to tell everyone you were a regularly drink driver and you got away with it like it’s a badge of honour. Then to continue to try justify it by saying your driving wasn’t erratic. You’re a [zb].
didn’t say it was a badge of honour at all, just lucky, And it being a regular occurrence is your assumption, not fact .
It’s not something that i have done ever since getting into the driving game and passing my lorry licences and what i said also highlights how the available tech has improved over the years from the infamously inaccurate crystal based breathalyser to what we have to today, which although isn’t evidential does show an actual reading instead of the previous traffic light system
And that everyone’s bodies deal with alcohol intake differently at any given time depending on a number of factors,including tolerance
These days i don’t drink anywhere near what i did when i was younger ,lifestyle choice
Bluey Circles:
how much would you have to have on board to blow that?
i’m thinking 2.5 pints for 35mg, so to blow 172 - 12 pints? it be a fair skinfull
Dunno i have had a few lucky escapes (driving own car) after drinking more than 2-3 pints Once when i was in my 20’s used to go out of town to various pubs & night clubs,i was steaming, got bagged and the crystals didn’t change , the plod knew i was over but was unable to arrest me
And several years later got stopped in my own town again i had drunk 5-6 pints maybe more, the electronic breath tester gave an amber to say it had detected alcohol on my breath, which wasn’t sufficient cause to arrest me of suspicion of drink driving, metabolism plays a big part in what gets detected and what doesn’t ,
Although i had had a few, my driving wasn’t erratic or unsafe ( i wasn’t swerving from left to right) my vision was fine and speech not slurred I have been a lot more danger driving when tired whilst at the wheel of a 44t artic
I’m genuinely embarrassed for you. Imagine posting on here to tell everyone you were a regularly drink driver and you got away with it like it’s a badge of honour. Then to continue to try justify it by saying your driving wasn’t erratic. You’re a [zb].
As said you can not make a judgement on what happened 20 30 yrs ago by today’s standards, and how things are seen today.
Why are you embarrassed on his behalf ?
He told you he was in his 20s and he was just commenting on his experiences then, as a result of his actions, and I certainly did not have him down as boasting, it was just an account of events how they actually happened.
If he’s a ■■■■ as you say, then I suppose that so am I by your reckoning.
On one occasion when I was 18 I was driving back home (over the limit).and actually got stopped to help a copper search for the driver of a crashed car who we thought was lying underneath the car (he wasn’t btw)
Believe it or not this resulted in me getting a letter of thanks from the Chief Constable of ■■■■■■■ Police for aiding one of his officers. …that is how times have changed .
There is no way I would drive over the limit today, but by today’s standards my feet would not touch, there is no way any copper would turn a blind eye to a ■■■■■■ driver.
So I was neither shocked or embarrassed by this guy’s account of things.
Dr Damon:
The problem is not when it happened but the fact he thought his driving was OK when over the limit
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Again that’s the whole thing this thing hinges on…WHEN it happened, and judging it by today’s standards and criteria.
An example on a lighter note, and not as serious but the same principle, I remember in a factory I worked at as a young kid, where (and when) it was deemed acceptable to smack a woman on the arse if she was bending over, or make some comment on the size of her ■■■■, or both…try doing that today.
…that is how times have changed 
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