Carryfast:
Logically anyone who ‘prefers’ operating a crane to driving a truck would get all their crane qualifications and then work as a …crane operator.Why would they want to ‘drive’ a truck ?.
The ‘straight line motorway drive’ between Slough/London or even Midlands combined with whatever type of drops/collections/transhipment, isn’t the same thing as the ‘straight line motorway drive’ between Slough/Milan/Rome etc or even Slough/Glasgow.
Hierarchy as in those who are lucky enough to be doing the latter type of runs want to keep them by suggesting that those lumbered with the former work actually prefer it.
Everything else is all variations on the same theme.An industry full of mostly zb work that’s anything but the freedom of the open road and massively over subscribed for the ever deliberately diminishing decent work and those who’ve got it want to keep it at the expense of those who haven’t.
Or get ahead by laughably suggesting that anyone would prefer to do the local crap for most if not the whole of their career.
UK night trunking is an exception that proves the rule for obvious reasons.Or it was until hub system operations mostly wrecked that job too with the exception of the far Northern or Western locations.
As a rule ‘drivers’ generally want to ‘drive’ the further the better and vice versa.That’s your ‘hierarchy’.
Ive done distance/nights out and hated it with a passion, I now only do very local stuff, done mixers, hiab/crane stuff, skip loaders, tippers, milk… and I much prefer this. the closest I get to a motorway is A64, and thats bad enough for me… the money is there if you know where to look, however you may not get the hours that some want. Majority of the guys I have worked with are also of the same mind to be working local only…
Yeah right that’s why the agencies are always desperately crying out for drivers to fill unwanted retail/building materials distribution jobs.
Yes tippers and bulkers are the exception that’s always proved the rule for obvious reasons.So the usual ‘experience’ face fits zb applies.
Also trampers moaning about too long away from home when there’s plenty of local zb available if they wanted to do their fair share of it.
Although having said that nights out because too many local drops to get done in a shift isn’t the same thing as nights out because not enough driving time to cover the distances between delivery and collection points.The drivers doing what’s left of the latter work obviously want to keep it.
Carryfast:
Yeah right that’s why the agencies are always desperately crying out for drivers to fill unwanted retail/building materials distribution jobs.
Yes tippers and bulkers are the exception that’s always proved the rule for obvious reasons.So the usual ‘experience’ face fits zb applies.
Also trampers moaning about too long away from home when there’s plenty of local zb available if they wanted to do their fair share of it.
Although having said that nights out because too many local drops to get done in a shift isn’t the same thing as nights out because not enough driving time to cover the distances between delivery and collection points.The drivers doing what’s left of the latter work obviously want to keep it.
I don’t do nights out any more, but if I wanted to I would have no difficulty whatsoever in finding a job where I did. So why do you think you wouldn’t be able to?
Carryfast:
Yeah right that’s why the agencies are always desperately crying out for drivers to fill unwanted retail/building materials distribution jobs.
People are crying out for drivers for all types of work, it’s that simple. If I had a licence and wanted to I could be shipping out on an international run before the end of the week. It’s nowhere near as hard to get into as you’ve convinced yourself. It’s just you don’t want to hear facts like that as they don’t fit your narrative, your fictional narrative
Carryfast:
Yeah right that’s why the agencies are always desperately crying out for drivers to fill unwanted retail/building materials distribution jobs.
People are crying out for drivers for all types of work, it’s that simple. If I had a licence and wanted to I could be shipping out on an international run before the end of the week. It’s nowhere near as hard to get into as you’ve convinced yourself. It’s just you don’t want to hear facts like that as they don’t fit your narrative, your fictional narrative
Carryfast,
Read the above post by Switch, that is 100% true as I’m sitting at a desk now wondering how I can cover holidays that my drivers have booked over the next few weeks. I used to have regular agency drivers to cover the holidays but since IR35 ended these lads have moved on.
Talking to other companies they are all in the same boat be it skip hire companies right through to general haulage outfits, so no fantasy face fits and all that crap this is reality.
I can’t see it being that bad as I have not seen any big increase in wages and still £25 a night out. When the money starts increasing a lot then I might find it more believable.
Odd days:
I can’t see it being that bad as I have not seen any big increase in wages and still £25 a night out. When the money starts increasing a lot then I might find it more believable.
You’re not likely to see night out money increase as its capped by HMRC.
Odd days:
I can’t see it being that bad as I have not seen any big increase in wages and still £25 a night out. When the money starts increasing a lot then I might find it more believable.
You’re not likely to see night out money increase as its capped by HMRC.
It’s not capped full stop, it’s the tax free amount allowed to be paid is set by hmrc. An employer is perfectly entitled to pay more and cover the tax for the employees.
Who’d give up the job they already have OR take as first job OR come out of retirement to do:-
(3) Palletliner runs to midlands hubs Monday-Friday no breaks, take 15 on derv pumps, 30 whilst doing your curtains in tip queue
(4) Tramping 4-5 nights out per week
My lad did number 4, he’s still doing it 3 years later.
Judging by the amount of old people clearly near or above retirement age I used to see on pallet network hubs, quite a lot. I’m also guessing by your comment of taking 15 on the pumps and 30 doing your curtains in the tip queue that you clearly have never ever done this kind of work.
Carryfast:
A job for more than 5 minutes you’re the one with an average employment measured in months at each job as opposed to mine effectively three employers covering more than 20 years.
Has only ever worked for three companies, somehow thinks he has the experience to tell others how it is. No fella you don’t. You exist in your own little bubble you’ve been in for years and haven’t a clue how it is elsewhere. Agency plobbers like myself who have been in at dozens of companies and done a whole range of different types of work covering all hours of the week, not just Mon-Fri days with the odd Sat run in have a much better view of what’s going on.
Carryfast:
Yeah right that’s why the agencies are always desperately crying out for drivers to fill unwanted retail/building materials distribution jobs.
Yes tippers and bulkers are the exception that’s always proved the rule for obvious reasons.So the usual ‘experience’ face fits zb applies.
Also trampers moaning about too long away from home when there’s plenty of local zb available if they wanted to do their fair share of it.
How would you know, you’ve only effectively worked at three employers. You’re just banging on about what you think is the case, you don’t have the first clue.
The driver shortage was BS that flooded the labour markets across the UK.
It was Blair who created the cheap labour flood nightmare in 2005.
Now these EU drivers are actually no better off because the “ltd tax avoidance schemes” are going or gone,they are seeing how expensive the UK is…So off they ■■.
Fingers crossed the woeful pre 2005 pay rates are now a thing of the past and hopefully the £9 ph merchants disapear into obscurity.
WST/ WS off you trott fingers crossed…
LazyDriver:
It’s obviously the story of the forbidden fruit, The grass looks greener or any number of green eyed sayings. The fact that Mr CF’s aspirational dream job is never quite within his grasp, when, given the amount of time he’s spent and therefore the experience he obviously has of the industry, and yet he cannot progress to where he envisages he is owed, can only have one logical conclusion. The employers of said dream job consider him unemployable.
Experience, tick
Motivation, tick
Attitude, get your coat…
Carryfast:
Although having said that nights out because too many local drops to get done in a shift isn’t the same thing as nights out because not enough driving time to cover the distances between delivery and collection points.The drivers doing what’s left of the latter work obviously want to keep it.
I don’t do nights out any more, but if I wanted to I would have no difficulty whatsoever in finding a job where I did. So why do you think you wouldn’t be able to?
See above.
Feel free to put up any agency jobs calling for what I’m describing in the latter.You know regular full load distance work like the South/Glasgow/Dundee/Newcastle etc let alone Milan etc.
The only job where I did nights out never went further than London Midlands and usually more local than that.Also lots of multi dropping structural steel to building sites in London.The nights out were all about too long spent queing to get loaded or tipped and not enough duty time to get all the collections and drops done in a shift and/or I wasn’t prepared to work more than 12 hour shifts doing local zb work.
I was handed the job by the Jobcentre during a temporary layoff from night trunking obviously because no one wanted it.Unlike International work.Look on the bright side it was still better than what I’d walked away from on agency.
LazyDriver:
It’s obviously the story of the forbidden fruit, The grass looks greener or any number of green eyed sayings. The fact that Mr CF’s aspirational dream job is never quite within his grasp, when, given the amount of time he’s spent and therefore the experience he obviously has of the industry, and yet he cannot progress to where he envisages he is owed, can only have one logical conclusion. The employers of said dream job consider him unemployable.
Experience, tick
Motivation, tick
Attitude, get your coat…
Luck, none [emoji846]
Seems to fit the idea that those doing the right work want to keep it obviously by kicking others down the ladder.
Obviously a good enough ‘attitude’ to hold 3 jobs covering more than 20 years and commendations for my work during the last which covered almost 15 years.
Strange how the ‘attitude’ ‘experience’ ( face fits ) test doesn’t seem to apply to the ‘wrong’ type of work.You know the type of work which has a ‘shortage’ of drivers wanting to do it.
Odd days:
I can’t see it being that bad as I have not seen any big increase in wages and still £25 a night out. When the money starts increasing a lot then I might find it more believable.
You’re not likely to see night out money increase as its capped by HMRC.
It’s not capped full stop, it’s the tax free amount allowed to be paid is set by hmrc. An employer is perfectly entitled to pay more and cover the tax for the employees.
Yeah I meant the amount you can have tax free is capped. Any increase will therefore increase your own liability even if you get paid more to cover it off.
That’s the thing with earning more money, we have to pay more tax. If the employer wants to give an extra £15 then they can pay £18 approximately to cover the tax , usually about 22%
Carryfast:
Although having said that nights out because too many local drops to get done in a shift isn’t the same thing as nights out because not enough driving time to cover the distances between delivery and collection points.The drivers doing what’s left of the latter work obviously want to keep it.
I don’t do nights out any more, but if I wanted to I would have no difficulty whatsoever in finding a job where I did. So why do you think you wouldn’t be able to?
See above.
Feel free to put up any agency jobs calling for what I’m describing in the latter.You know regular full load distance work like the South/Glasgow/Dundee/Newcastle etc let alone Milan etc.
The only job where I did nights out never went further than London Midlands and usually more local than that.Also lots of multi dropping structural steel to building sites in London.The nights out were all about too long spent queing to get loaded or tipped and not enough duty time to get all the collections and drops done in a shift and/or I wasn’t prepared to work more than 12 hour shifts doing local zb work.
I was handed the job by the Jobcentre during a temporary layoff from night trunking obviously because no one wanted it.Unlike International work.Look on the bright side it was still better than what I’d walked away from on agency.
Believe it or not agencies aren’t the be all and end all. You seem to think agency is the only option. Mistakenly.
Edit to add- though thinking about it the last time I worked for an agency it was on international fridge work, in 2007. HSF. All the work since is being a solo freelancer when I wasn’t employed full time.
Harry Monk:
I don’t do nights out any more, but if I wanted to I would have no difficulty whatsoever in finding a job where I did. So why do you think you wouldn’t be able to?
Feel free to put up any agency jobs calling for what I’m describing in the latter.You know regular full load distance work like the South/Glasgow/Dundee/Newcastle etc let alone Milan etc.
The only job where I did nights out never went further than London Midlands and usually more local than that.Also lots of multi dropping structural steel to building sites in London.The nights out were all about too long spent queing to get loaded or tipped and not enough duty time to get all the collections and drops done in a shift and/or I wasn’t prepared to work more than 12 hour shifts doing local zb work.
I was handed the job by the Jobcentre during a temporary layoff from night trunking obviously because no one wanted it.Unlike International work.Look on the bright side it was still better than what I’d walked away from on agency.
Believe it or not agencies aren’t the be all and end all. You seem to think agency is the only option. Mistakenly.
Edit to add- though thinking about it the last time I worked for an agency it was on international fridge work, in 2007. HSF. All the work since is being a solo freelancer when I wasn’t employed full time.
International work on agencies is rarer than rocking horse crap if even that.
Let me guess it wasn’t rotated equally among all the drivers on their books.
Some were lumbered with the usual constant diet of zb while you were enjoying the life of reilly.
Although having said that maybe my view has been tainted by being based in a zb area of the country where, as Harry says, the premise of employers is that anyone living near London should be happy with a diet of London orientated work which generally means local building materials and/or retail distribution.That anomaly seems to apply moreso when comparing areas like Kent or Essex with Surrey or to an extent Hants for some reason.
What is certain is that employers involved in the ‘right’ work in those former areas laughably put up obstacles against applicants based in the latter areas.You know bs like need to be based locally for jobs involving a week or more away or other excuses like class 1 wanted for drawbar work.While I’ve made clear another example of being trumped regarding a decent job offer at the last minute for whatever reason again by a Kent firm.
While I’m obviously making the link between the bread and butter of agencies being all about filling the jobs that most drivers rightly don’t want to do, or at least do more than their fair share of, and therefore at the forefront of the ‘driver shortage’ myth.
LazyDriver:
It’s obviously the story of the forbidden fruit, The grass looks greener or any number of green eyed sayings. The fact that Mr CF’s aspirational dream job is never quite within his grasp, when, given the amount of time he’s spent and therefore the experience he obviously has of the industry, and yet he cannot progress to where he envisages he is owed, can only have one logical conclusion. The employers of said dream job consider him unemployable.
Experience, tick
Motivation, tick
Attitude, get your coat…
Luck, none [emoji846]
Seems to fit the idea that those doing the right work want to keep it obviously by kicking others down the ladder.
Obviously a good enough ‘attitude’ to hold 3 jobs covering more than 20 years and commendations for my work during the last which covered almost 15 years.
Strange how the ‘attitude’ ‘experience’ ( face fits ) test doesn’t seem to apply to the ‘wrong’ type of work.You know the type of work which has a ‘shortage’ of drivers wanting to do it.
There is no mythical “face fits” pecking order you keep banging on about. Funny isn’t it that everyone else who wanted to do the type of work you desperately crave has managed to do it.
Simply put and judging by the way you come across on here your attitude stinks and this is where your problem lies.
LazyDriver:
It’s obviously the story of the forbidden fruit, The grass looks greener or any number of green eyed sayings. The fact that Mr CF’s aspirational dream job is never quite within his grasp, when, given the amount of time he’s spent and therefore the experience he obviously has of the industry, and yet he cannot progress to where he envisages he is owed, can only have one logical conclusion. The employers of said dream job consider him unemployable.
Experience, tick
Motivation, tick
Attitude, get your coat…
Luck, none [emoji846]
Seems to fit the idea that those doing the right work want to keep it obviously by kicking others down the ladder.
Obviously a good enough ‘attitude’ to hold 3 jobs covering more than 20 years and commendations for my work during the last which covered almost 15 years.
Strange how the ‘attitude’ ‘experience’ ( face fits ) test doesn’t seem to apply to the ‘wrong’ type of work.You know the type of work which has a ‘shortage’ of drivers wanting to do it.
There is no mythical “face fits” pecking order you keep banging on about. Funny isn’t it that everyone else who wanted to do the type of work you desperately crave has managed to do it.
Simply put and judging by the way you come across on here your attitude stinks and this is where your problem lies.
