trevHCS:
Its only the morons who we see every day flying round like the world depends on them that will want to be doing 6 or 7 shifts with reduced off time.
Think the people running this idea forget not everyone tramps so those of us who say live an hour from the yard are already pushing our downtime off a 13 hour shift. 15 hour days are a killer. Not sure if any supermarket trucks have sleepers.
Its only the NHS and similar workers I’d want to work extra for, not Jo Bloggs in an office who works 8 hours and can’t get their specific brand of toilet roll.
We got plenty of agency drivers.
Exactly if it was an emergency service I’d do the extra or more than likely wouldn’t have a choice anyway if it got to that. But then they don’t have rules that have been changed in the first place. The police or paramedics didn’t have one rule a week ago and a different one this week. Which is what makes this argument unique. Emergency service workers tend to have it as a given that if the ■■■■ hits the fan then they will need to stay on and do their duty, what they’ve signed up for and I thank all of them for that. Us as hgv drivers haven’t signed up to that. We’ve had one rule a week ago and if broken we’d be getting fined and up before the TC If it was a regular occurrence and this week well actually it’s fine and we don’t think it’s actually dangerous anymore. That’s basically what they are saying because if it was dangerous then they wouldn’t put restocking supermarkets over road safety.
I can’t see the 11 hr driving relaxation being of more than limited use for RDC deliveries. You run out of duty time in most cases before driving time on this sort of work. Fowler Teynham to Tesco Livingston is achievable in existing hours, but you wouldn’t make their Washington depot with the empty trailer. Likewise Teynham to Asda Washington return would not be possible. Most companies would backload any way. The buffer of available hours might be useful but I can’t see schelduling for 10hrs plus being taken up on a large scale.
It might make the difference on some of those double manning jobs which will obviously have to cease on social distancing grounds.
trevHCS:
Its only the morons who we see every day flying round like the world depends on them that will want to be doing 6 or 7 shifts with reduced off time.
Think the people running this idea forget not everyone tramps so those of us who say live an hour from the yard are already pushing our downtime off a 13 hour shift. 15 hour days are a killer. Not sure if any supermarket trucks have sleepers.
Its only the NHS and similar workers I’d want to work extra for, not Jo Bloggs in an office who works 8 hours and can’t get their specific brand of toilet roll.
We got plenty of agency drivers.
Exactly if it was an emergency service I’d do the extra or more than likely wouldn’t have a choice anyway if it got to that. But then they don’t have rules that have been changed in the first place. The police or paramedics didn’t have one rule a week ago and a different one this week. Which is what makes this argument unique. Emergency service workers tend to have it as a given that if the [zb] hits the fan then they will need to stay on and do their duty, what they’ve signed up for and I thank all of them for that. Us as hgv drivers haven’t signed up to that. We’ve had one rule a week ago and if broken we’d be getting fined and up before the TC If it was a regular occurrence and this week well actually it’s fine and we don’t think it’s actually dangerous anymore. That’s basically what they are saying because if it was dangerous then they wouldn’t put restocking supermarkets over road safety.
You’re not looking at the bigger picture. Yes, it’s obvious you want to ‘stick it to the government’ because they’ve moved the goal posts and want their cake and eat it. This is nothing new and happens all the time. All they are bothered about is keeping all the normies appeased and stocked up with food. If the food runs out in the stores then the normies will be out on the streets en masse rioting and they can’t have that. So if that means a few drivers fall asleep at the wheel and end up in a ditch because they’ve been working around the clock doing Tesco deliveries, to them that’s a small price to pay to prevent the fall-out from the riots that would otherwise happen.
I don’t see anyone forcing you to work beyond your normal hours so not sure why you’re even up in arms about it. Presumably all you people whining about how hypocritical and nasty the government is were all sat home when the hours were suspended back in the mid 90s when the water authorities needed drivers working around the clock to keep the country running, too. Me me me.
Well I personally am extremely grateful to “the man” for selflessly allowing me to extend my paltry 84 hour week into a 105 hour week. I must remember to doff my cap deferentially whilst averting my eyes as he sweeps past in his chauffeur driven Roller after his gruelling 7 hour day with his two hour lunch on his way to his country pile where he will no doubt check out the latest wheeze from his accountants outlining just how much more tax they can help him avoid.
If I thought that me doing (yet) more work would save the weak and vulnerable from going hungry I’d be all over it like a rash, but when most of my week has already been extended as a result of greedy bosses desperate to boost shareholder dividends by cutting down staff numbers then as the Scotsman says "I’m oot ".
the maoster:
Well I personally am extremely grateful to “the man” for selflessly allowing me to extend my paltry 84 hour week into a 105 hour week. I must remember to doff my cap deferentially whilst averting my eyes as he sweeps past in his chauffeur driven Roller after his gruelling 7 hour day with his two hour lunch on his way to his country pile where he will no doubt check out the latest wheeze from his accountants outlining just how much more tax they can help him avoid.
If I thought that me doing (yet) more work would save the weak and vulnerable from going hungry I’d be all over it like a rash, but when most of my week has already been extended as a result of greedy bosses desperate to boost shareholder dividends by cutting down staff numbers then as the Scotsman says "I’m oot ".
I may be wrong but I haven’t seen anything in the revised rules which extends spreadover time or alters the maxiumum number of 15 hr days.
the maoster:
Well I personally am extremely grateful to “the man” for selflessly allowing me to extend my paltry 84 hour week into a 105 hour week. I must remember to doff my cap deferentially whilst averting my eyes as he sweeps past in his chauffeur driven Roller after his gruelling 7 hour day with his two hour lunch on his way to his country pile where he will no doubt check out the latest wheeze from his accountants outlining just how much more tax they can help him avoid.
If I thought that me doing (yet) more work would save the weak and vulnerable from going hungry I’d be all over it like a rash, but when most of my week has already been extended as a result of greedy bosses desperate to boost shareholder dividends by cutting down staff numbers then as the Scotsman says "I’m oot ".
There’s a simple solution to that problem : don’t work for companies that exploit their workers and couldn’t give a [zb] about their wellbeing. Or do you subscribe to the same “well they’re the best of a bad bunch so I just put up with it” mantra that many on here subscribe to whilst complaining about it to anyone who will listen? If you’re dumb enough to work 84 hours a week normally then you deserve everything you get.
cav551:
I may be wrong but I haven’t seen anything in the revised rules which extends spreadover time or alters the maxiumum number of 15 hr days.
It’s entirely possible that I’ve misinterpreted but you can now work for 7x 24 hour periods and your rests can be reduced to 9 hours per day. I took that to mean a possible (for the insane) 7 x 15 hours shifts.
cav551:
I may be wrong but I haven’t seen anything in the revised rules which extends spreadover time or alters the maxiumum number of 15 hr days.
It’s entirely possible that I’ve misinterpreted but you can now work for 7x 24 hour periods and your rests can be reduced to 9 hours per day. I took that to mean a possible (for the insane) 7 x 15 hours shifts.
a) Replacement of the EU daily driving limit of 9 hours with one of 11 hours;
b) Reduction of the daily rest requirements from 11 to 9 hours;
c) Lifting the weekly (56 hours) and fortnightly driving limits (90 hours) to 60 and 96 hours respectively;
d) Postponement of the requirement to start a weekly rest period after six-24 hours periods, for after seven 24 hours period; although two regular weekly rest periods or a regular and a reduced weekly rest period will still be required within a fortnight;
e) The requirements for daily breaks of 45 minutes after 4.5 hours driving replaced with a break of 45 minutes after 5.5 hours of driving.
Drivers’ must not use relaxation ‘a’ and ‘d’ at the same time. This is to ensure drivers are able to get adequate rest.
a) and c) seem to conflict with each other, as do a) and d). Essentially, the restrictions in c) make d) pointless if you’re doing distance work as you’ll hit your driving time limits before you get to the 7th day. Maybe the changes are focused more on local work, but if that’s the case then what’s the point of a) as you’d never reach those driving hour numbers doing locals when there’s still an effective 15 hour spread limit in place.
I agree that b) now allows you to do 7x 15s per week, but the reductions will need to be compensated by the end of the fortnight as per the normal rules.
I’m puzzled by what the purpose of e) is. What does being able to drive for an hour longer before needing the same length break have to do with the virus?
cav551:
I may be wrong but I haven’t seen anything in the revised rules which extends spreadover time or alters the maxiumum number of 15 hr days.
It’s entirely possible that I’ve misinterpreted but you can now work for 7x 24 hour periods and your rests can be reduced to 9 hours per day. I took that to mean a possible (for the insane) 7 x 15 hours shifts.
Oh, Fwler Wlch already do 6x15, because they take 3 hour breaks at Tesco Livi. The spoons.
Winseer:
A bad time to be a full timer on “Any five from seven” with the length of those 5 shifts - undefined…
8 hours? - Forget it. The industry “norm” was already 9.5-10 hours.
From now on, it is likely to become 12-15 hours…
Welcome to the 75 hour week folks - for the same salary.
It’s not going to happen. Stop with the fearmongering please. There is already plenty of pressure from the big mouths at the various road “safety” groups about HGV drivers’ long hours, risks of falling asleep and wiping out many small children and kittens. Once the CV19 thing is over and the supply chain is back to normal they will quickly revert back to the standard rules. There is already some indication of this in the current exemption : “…although two regular weekly rest periods or a regular and a reduced weekly rest period will still be required within a fortnight”.
What does being able to drive for an hour longer before needing the same length break have to do with the virus?