Largeperm:
So I’d finished for the day , all packed up card out and the bloody fork driver asked me pull forward to allow him access through back doors. Without thinkin I shunted about for him then locked up and off I went only realising after that it’d register as driving Without card, manual printout with explaining be sufficient or do I need to lube up and brace?
No disrespect to the people who are telling you that your fine to do this / that , but they won’t be stood there when your stood in that courtroom , it will be you / 3 judges / dvsa solicitor , clerk of the court , when you come to pay the fine they won’t be stood next to you , bank card in hand , you will be paying that fine , when the t/c sends out a letter stating her decision , the letter won’t be to those who told you it’s fine to do this / that , it will be you ,
Learn from someone who unfortunately has been there & done it , put your card in at the beginning of week & don’t take it out until you get out at the end of the week , a mistake is a mistake , but I would not drive anywhere without a card in be it road / yard / anywhere, my card goes in first thing Monday & does not come out until I finish week
Have a look through my posts of apx 5 yrs & you’ll see the trouble it caused me , 5/6 mins without a card in
Why though, did you drive for 5/6 minutes without a card in, and was it 5 minutes or was it 6?
I drove from the traffic lights just outside stobarts yard at Dagenham , round the yard & park up without card in , I was then pulled the following day at Carlisle , immobilised for night , then 18 months investigating me , back to Carlisle court , fined £776 , then recurved a letter from t/c saying I was receiving a caution , look back through my post of apx 5 yrs ago , it’s all there
Largeperm:
Wasn’t so much worried about the boss, more if I get a vosa tug.
If you work for a green light OCRS operator, and judging by you worrying about this I’d say you do, you almost certainly won’t get pulled.
I did , though only once in 15 /20 yrs , that’s the point , you only need to get stopped once
The lad who was at court with me wasn’t even driving the lorry when it was pulled , his 3 charges were from 3 months previously
Largeperm:
So I’d finished for the day , all packed up card out and the bloody fork driver asked me pull forward to allow him access through back doors. Without thinkin I shunted about for him then locked up and off I went only realising after that it’d register as driving Without card, manual printout with explaining be sufficient or do I need to lube up and brace?
No disrespect to the people who are telling you that your fine to do this / that , but they won’t be stood there when your stood in that courtroom , it will be you / 3 judges / dvsa solicitor , clerk of the court , when you come to pay the fine they won’t be stood next to you , bank card in hand , you will be paying that fine , when the t/c sends out a letter stating her decision , the letter won’t be to those who told you it’s fine to do this / that , it will be you ,
Learn from someone who unfortunately has been there & done it , put your card in at the beginning of week & don’t take it out until you get out at the end of the week , a mistake is a mistake , but I would not drive anywhere without a card in be it road / yard / anywhere, my card goes in first thing Monday & does not come out until I finish week
Have a look through my posts of apx 5 yrs & you’ll see the trouble it caused me , 5/6 mins without a card in
Driving in your yard is out of scope. No tacho required. You could do it for 15 hours. No printout would be required. Am I wrong?
I assume you were driving on the road? What was the reason?
Google stobarts yard at Dagenham , looks how close the traffic light are to the entrance , that’s where I took my card out , I wasn’t asked at Carlisle where I took my card out , just was it me driving , it was only when I went to court , dvsa solicitor presented evidence of where I’d removed card , that location of removing card up came up , they didn’t deduct the distance from entrance of yard to parking up , I was charged for driving without a card in ,
Why are all these companies putting signs up every where saying you must not drive at anytime without your digital card in
Largeperm:
Did a manual entry following day to show it as other work, as obviously can’t manual entry driving. Did a printout too with explanation just to be safe, can I chuck it after 28 days?
Maybe I’m the wrong bloke to comment on this mate as none of this stuff ever phases me,…
It makes me laugh (no offence) how ‘they’ have now got people ■■■■■■■■ themselves over trivial minor: (and genuine) misdemeanors.
Nothing is going to happen about it chill out, just keep your cards right the best you can, .and if you do [zb] up …do a printout if you feel the need.
You ARE allowed to make a minor non event error, it’s the ■■■■ taking they are more interested in.
But why take the risk rob of paying a £776 fine & all the hassle that goes with it , for something as simple as putting your card in & leaving it in all week ,
Largeperm:
Did a manual entry following day to show it as other work, as obviously can’t manual entry driving. Did a printout too with explanation just to be safe, can I chuck it after 28 days?
But why take the risk rob of paying a £776 fine & all the hassle that goes with it , for something as simple as putting your card in & leaving it in all week ,
Is the night driver who uses mine going to use my card too, is the night shunter who loads mine also on my card.
I’ll back up what Switchlogic and Robroy note, if you take the ■■■■ and act the twerp then the wheeltappers will have you, if you’re straight and respectful and don’t try to cheat or cover things up or perish the thought make the odd mistake then on the few rare occasions i’ve had dealings with them i’ve found them to be polite and fair.
They’ll suss out what you are in a couple of minutes going through your card how you operate and drive your vehicle and how you behave, they ain’t stupid.
There’s a saying , don’t do as I do , do as I say , I bet all these drivers saying you can do this / that put there card in on a Monday & don’t take it out to a fri , or whatever shifts they do
I’d love to know how many are going to travel to court & pay this lads / anyone’s fine , if there advice it wrong , don’t all put your hands up at once
I won’t be going to court & paying his or any one else fine ( once is enough ) as I know my advice of do not drive at anytime without a card will mean he / they won’t be going to court & paying a fine .
Largeperm:
Did a manual entry following day to show it as other work, as obviously can’t manual entry driving. Did a printout too with explanation just to be safe, can I chuck it after 28 days?
But why take the risk rob of paying a £776 fine & all the hassle that goes with it , for something as simple as putting your card in & leaving it in all week ,
Is the night driver who uses mine going to use my card too, is the night shunter who loads mine also on my card.
I’ll back up what Switchlogic and Robroy note, if you take the ■■■■ and act the twerp then the wheeltappers will have you, if you’re straight and respectful and don’t try to cheat or cover things up or perish the thought make the odd mistake then on the few rare occasions i’ve had dealings with them i’ve found them to be polite and fair.
They’ll suss out what you are in a couple of minutes going through your card how you operate and drive your vehicle and how you behave, they ain’t stupid.
If yours , robs , switchoholics advice is wrong will you be travelling to court & paying that drivers fine who took yours / there advice , a simple yes / no will suffice
carryfast-yeti:
our yard is so congested,if your start time is 2am,you sometimes have to move up to 6 units out of the way to get to your own! and no…we aren’t expected to put your card in each one…
lol, we are!
There was even a notice on the notice-board about it. We just ignore it. Nothing ever happens, except for another even more stiffly worded notice going up.
carryfast-yeti:
our yard is so congested,if your start time is 2am,you sometimes have to move up to 6 units out of the way to get to your own! and no…we aren’t expected to put your card in each one…
lol, we are!
There was even a notice on the notice-board about it. We just ignore it. Nothing ever happens, except for another even more stiffly worded notice going up.
If your on a good overtime rate i’d be milking the ■■■■ out of that
The vehicle’s use is logged on the vehicle card device. Once a driver’s card is popped, the device has no idea who was driving it across the yard, or (if taking the ■■■■…) halfway across town, as an illegal dodge should they hit the 15hr point having not quite got home, but deemed “too far” for Boss to send someone out in a pool car to pick you up…
The authorities can download all such driving from the vehicle device then, and turn a blind eye to it if the percentage of overall time is “Small”, say less than 0.01% of all driving hours recorded on the in-vehicle device.
That would be enough time to spending “shunting” said vehicle for upto say, 15 minutes aggregate time over say, a 28 day reference period - the amount of data I understand the device can hold (correct me if I’m wrong here)
If you’re trying to evade the authority then - my advice is don’t. It’s illegal, and you’ll end up being busted big-time.
If you’re tugged by Vosa or Plod and they want to know what the 20 minutes “driving without a card” was about earlier that same day you are driving the same vehicle - simply deny it was your card “not put into the device”. You won’t be asked to “prove it wasn’t you” because you cannot prove a negative.
They’ll believe you - as the dodge I outlined above is for END of duty, when you’ve run out of legal driving time - NOT for start of duty, when some other chump has obviously done it, or mabye even the Shunter in your yard - is one of the “New Pass” crowd, and takes a bit of a while to shunt things onto the bay with a tractor with no card in it doubling up for the old broken down “MAFIA” tug…
Largeperm:
So I’d finished for the day , all packed up card out and the bloody fork driver asked me pull forward to allow him access through back doors. Without thinkin I shunted about for him then locked up and off I went only realising after that it’d register as driving Without card, manual printout with explaining be sufficient or do I need to lube up and brace?
No disrespect to the people who are telling you that your fine to do this / that , but they won’t be stood there when your stood in that courtroom , it will be you / 3 judges / dvsa solicitor , clerk of the court , when you come to pay the fine they won’t be stood next to you , bank card in hand , you will be paying that fine , when the t/c sends out a letter stating her decision , the letter won’t be to those who told you it’s fine to do this / that , it will be you ,
Learn from someone who unfortunately has been there & done it , put your card in at the beginning of week & don’t take it out until you get out at the end of the week , a mistake is a mistake , but I would not drive anywhere without a card in be it road / yard / anywhere, my card goes in first thing Monday & does not come out until I finish week
Have a look through my posts of apx 5 yrs & you’ll see the trouble it caused me , 5/6 mins without a card in
Why though, did you drive for 5/6 minutes without a card in, and was it 5 minutes or was it 6?
I drove from the traffic lights just outside stobarts yard at Dagenham , round the yard & park up without card in , I was then pulled the following day at Carlisle , immobilised for night , then 18 months investigating me , back to Carlisle court , fined £776 , then recurved a letter from t/c saying I was receiving a caution , look back through my post of apx 5 yrs ago , it’s all there
Why did you pull your card out. You could have gone over your hours and do a printout and write exceptional circumstances at the back with an explanation.
Why did you pull your card out. You could have gone over your hours and do a printout and write exceptional circumstances at the back with an explanation.
WheelsofCardiff:
Why did you pull your card out. You could have gone over your hours and do a printout and write exceptional circumstances at the back with an explanation.
Yep, as soon as he pulled his card he made a false entry.
He was saying in essence that he had finished his duty, and had parked up at the time the card came out…but he didn’t, he carried on working,.albeit for a short time,.and made no account for it.
If he started after a minimum 9,.rather than 9 + the time he worked off card., that would be another offence.
As you said, leave card in with a printout of explanation, everything would have been cool,.with a lot of money saved.
But I reckon he knows this now eh?
Largeperm:
So I’d finished for the day , all packed up card out and the bloody fork driver asked me pull forward to allow him access through back doors. Without thinkin I shunted about for him then locked up and off I went only realising after that it’d register as driving Without card, manual printout with explaining be sufficient or do I need to lube up and brace?
No disrespect to the people who are telling you that your fine to do this / that , but they won’t be stood there when your stood in that courtroom , it will be you / 3 judges / dvsa solicitor , clerk of the court , when you come to pay the fine they won’t be stood next to you , bank card in hand , you will be paying that fine , when the t/c sends out a letter stating her decision , the letter won’t be to those who told you it’s fine to do this / that , it will be you ,
Learn from someone who unfortunately has been there & done it , put your card in at the beginning of week & don’t take it out until you get out at the end of the week , a mistake is a mistake , but I would not drive anywhere without a card in be it road / yard / anywhere, my card goes in first thing Monday & does not come out until I finish week
Have a look through my posts of apx 5 yrs & you’ll see the trouble it caused me , 5/6 mins without a card in
Driving in your yard is out of scope. No tacho required. You could do it for 15 hours. No printout would be required. Am I wrong?
I assume you were driving on the road? What was the reason?
Yes you’re wrong!
Your blanket statement that “driving in your yard is out of scope” is incorrect.
If at any point in the shift you will drive under the EU regulations, so on the road, then all of your driving of a vehicle that would normally be in scope is in scope.
So you get back to your yard, you need to move a truck so you can park yours, legally you must insert your card as it’s in scope of the EU regulations.
99.9% won’t do that and especially if it’s a yard that other people move trucks that don’t drive under the EU regulations in that shift, so are out of scope and therefore don’t need to put their card in, then nothing would come of it 99.9% of the time
