Harveys (Concorde Logistics @ Lutterworth depot)use double manning on their home delivery vehicles too.
22.5k start, plus bonus of up to 2.5k if you did all your deliveries/collections/paperwork properly/kept vehicle ‘clean’.
That was 2odd yrs back now.
Dav1d:
Harveys (Concorde Logistics @ Lutterworth depot)use double manning on their home delivery vehicles too.
22.5k start, plus bonus of up to 2.5k if you did all your deliveries/collections/paperwork properly/kept vehicle ‘clean’.
That was 2odd yrs back now.
DFS and other furniture places double man driver as well due to the workload even seen AO be two man crew.
For me personally I find it daft that the 15h working time directive becomes 30h due to be double Manned especially when working time is classed has driving or loading/unloading a truck.
shep532:
Don’t forget the recent change to guidance which tells us the 9 hour rest in the 30 hour day is to be treated as a reduced rest, meaning only three times between two weekly rests.
Not heard that one. Link please ■■
Double Manned 21H Driving
And I can’t believe that no one from Pedantic Net UK has mentioned the fact you can’t drive for 21 hours, you can only drive for 20 so long as both drivers have extended driving periods available and only twice in any fixed week.
Slacking guys 
Terry T:
shep532:
Don’t forget the recent change to guidance which tells us the 9 hour rest in the 30 hour day is to be treated as a reduced rest, meaning only three times between two weekly rests.Not heard that one. Link please ■■
Check the link in my previous posts in this thread 
(The multi-manning rules are in the daily rests section)
Organising drivers’ duties in such a fashion enables a crew’s duties to be
spread over 21 hours however where a driver utilises the multi-manning daily
rest concession (of 9 hours rest in a 30 hour period) that rest period cannot be
counted as a regular daily rest as it is of less than 11 hours duration. These rest
periods therefore count towards the limit of 3 reduced rest periods between
any 2 consecutive weekly rest periods.
albion:
SaintAndy:
Yes they can- the minimum rest period under double manned regs is 9hrs out of a 30hr period from when Driver 1’s card goes in not the usual 24hrs you have on single man runs which is why there’s an extra 6hrs work possibleThough you can do an hour at the start of a shift with just one driver and still comply with multi manning rules.
We double man, but for security not for hours. I can’t remember ever hitting 21 hours, been a few 18 hours, but mostly we run at no more than a single man could do. If you don’t mind the other guy, then often you’ll only drive about 5 - 6 hours a day, rest of the time you can nap, read, listen to the ipod. Our average work on the WTD is around 25-6 hours a week. In theory, if we do a double man run to say Sweden where it’s POA on a 27 hour ferry as well, one man could not ‘work’ all week.
Yes albion I was aware of that also but didn’t want to faze the OP with that extra permutation 
tachograph:
Sorry Nick I missed that, I’ll book myself in for some reading lessons
Na as the teacher you can just wear the big white pointy hat and stand in the corner for 10 mins
…
Unpaid of course
xichrisxi:
Beau Nydel:
Yes but both crew members have to share the driving which the OP didn’t make clear. From experience on that sort of operation the second man is simply a porter.New look near me often double man with 2 drivers and do 21 hours in a wagon and drag delivering around the country.
I’d imagine it’s a steady number of you have a co driver you trust enough that you can jump on the bunk as get some sleep as you’d spend a good few hours per shift getting paid to sleep
New Look only double the rigids at night for the store deliveries. As for 21hrs, sleep for 1hr wake up, do delivery, and so on for 12 to 13 dels, then its your turn to drive. 21hrs should not be allowed in my opinion.
davo:
xichrisxi:
Beau Nydel:
Yes but both crew members have to share the driving which the OP didn’t make clear. From experience on that sort of operation the second man is simply a porter.New look near me often double man with 2 drivers and do 21 hours in a wagon and drag delivering around the country.
I’d imagine it’s a steady number of you have a co driver you trust enough that you can jump on the bunk as get some sleep as you’d spend a good few hours per shift getting paid to sleepNew Look only double the rigids at night for the store deliveries. As for 21hrs, sleep for 1hr wake up, do delivery, and so on for 12 to 13 dels, then its your turn to drive. 21hrs should not be allowed in my opinion.
The guy I spoke to said they did 4-6 drops max…suppose it depends on where your going when he was there his first drop was Cornwall so a good 6hr drive before they got to the store then they ran upto Exeter then over to Cardiff,that’s what he said anyway…but he was agency
tachograph:
Terry T:
shep532:
Don’t forget the recent change to guidance which tells us the 9 hour rest in the 30 hour day is to be treated as a reduced rest, meaning only three times between two weekly rests.Not heard that one. Link please ■■
Check the link in my previous posts in this thread
(The multi-manning rules are in the daily rests section)Organising drivers’ duties in such a fashion enables a crew’s duties to be
spread over 21 hours however where a driver utilises the multi-manning daily
rest concession (of 9 hours rest in a 30 hour period) that rest period cannot be
counted as a regular daily rest as it is of less than 11 hours duration. These rest
periods therefore count towards the limit of 3 reduced rest periods between
any 2 consecutive weekly rest periods.
Has that changed from previous rules then. I’m not really up on multi manning rules but not heard of any changes to any regs recently. Shep said it was recent guidance.
Terry T:
tachograph:
Organising drivers’ duties in such a fashion enables a crew’s duties to be
spread over 21 hours however where a driver utilises the multi-manning daily
rest concession (of 9 hours rest in a 30 hour period) that rest period cannot be
counted as a regular daily rest as it is of less than 11 hours duration. These rest
periods therefore count towards the limit of 3 reduced rest periods between
any 2 consecutive weekly rest periods.Has that changed from previous rules then. I’m not really up on multi manning rules but not heard of any changes to any regs recently. Shep said it was recent guidance.
The EU regulations haven’t changed but it appears the DVSA have changed their interpretation of the rules.
nick2008:
tachograph:
Sorry Nick I missed that, I’ll book myself in for some reading lessonsNa as the teacher you can just wear the big white pointy hat and stand in the corner for 10 mins
…
Unpaid of course
Or 2 of you could stand there for 21 minutes, following a a 90 second break of course,
Oh and don’t forget, one of you could start a full minute before the other and still be legal 