peirre:
I find this advert ironic because the advert is clearly aimed at the Wilkos drivers who have recently lost their jobs. Although the Wilko drivers where employed by GXO and around 14 drivers where able to transfer to the new B&Q warehouse at Blyth, some of the drivers are out of work, and despite DHL laying off drivers they are now advertising
Salary:38,638
Region:Worksop
Job Type/Function:Transport
Contract Type:Permanent
Total number of weekly/annual hours:42
DHL, award winning leading supply chain business is seeking a HGV Class 1 Drivers to play a vital role in our distribution service.
AVAILABLE SHIFTS AND SALARY:
4 on 4 off Days - £34,650
4 on 4 off Nights - £38,638
Any 5 from 7 Days - £34,650
Any 5 from 7 Nights - £38,638
The rates DHL are offering are £5K below what anywhere else locally is offering, but might be OK for anyone starting out or desperate to put food on the table
On another note the GXO trucks from Wilkos yard have just been moved to the B&Q yard up the road
Sorry I’m not seeing too much wrong with this advert. I’m just down the road in Nottingham and work 4 on 4 off days for DHL on one of their contracts near here. We get about £3000 more than those figures you quote but are in a slightly better catchment area pay wise.
People get too wrapped up in just the pay when it comes to a job, you have to look at the bigger picture, sure when it’s a really crap rate of pay then I get that but either £35,000 or £38,000 that’s quoted here I would class as a good earner for driving a lorry.
The same principle applies where I am, I could go and get a job that pays several thousand more if it was solely about money but I’d be hard pressed to find an easier and cushier number with the hours I actually work and company benefits we get.
simcor:
4 on 4 off means you are working only half the year so allows a much better work life balance especially for night workers. 182 days a year. As opposed to any 5 from 7 which means you work 260 days a year. So 4 on 4 off. For giving up working weekend when your rota falls to work is worth it for the same basic rate. So you end up working less days a year. And that’s probably without taking into account annual leave probably.
182 days a year minus 19 days holiday is 163 days worked a year.
260 days worked a year minus 28 days holiday is 232 days worked a year.
That is the crucial difference between 4 on 4 off and working 5 days a week. It’s a massive difference.
If all my maths is correct that is. Not my strongest subject by a long shot.
I know which I would take that basic for, 4 on 4 off as much as I don’t like working weekends. Then again I work Sunday night anyway as the start of the week on a 5 day contract so still lose one day of the weekend to work as it is.
I have ignored the shift lengths as typically 4 on 4 off is usually a 12 hour shift, but as we all know driving is a 10 to 15 hour shift generally in the majority of jobs regardless of whether you do 4 on 4off or 5 out of 7.
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Spot on all of this. Going onto 4 on 4 off was the best thing I did.
You only work 6 months of the year, it averages to 42 hours a week as some weeks you do 36 hours, some 48. Plenty of time to work some rest days @time and a half and still get loads of days off, paid for 12 hours but most days done between 8-10.5 so you are “effectively” increasing your hourly rate.
Downsides are no extra premiums for weekend working (we get extra if your rota falls on a BH) and 5 out of 8 weekends you are in 1 or both days, you then get 3 whole weekends off together.
simcor:
With actual physical proof of that rather than just some advert stating as such? I find it hard to believe a company is paying nights 50k a year for doing 6 to 8 hours a night. 4 on 4 off or any 5 out of 7?
My limp is parked in their yard, with the occasional change to the Doncaster yard, so I know a lot of the people and what they earn.
Their contracts are 5/7 but they only work M-F on days with some of the night men split between M-F and S-T doing a mix of night trunks, or picking up between 2-4 cans a shift from Sheffield.
Like all non food retail companies B&Q are feeling the pressure as sales slow down, and the need for full load deliveries to stores has decreased, and the frequency of deliveries has decreased. Stores that where having full loads 5 days a week are now have 2-3 half loads
Well then if paying 50k a year for 6 to 8 hours of work it doesn’t take a mathematician to work out how long that can go on for.
simcor:
Tbh I don’t see many jobs offering much better rates than that round here myself.
I’d like to know where all these mega rates are people often talk about.
Same places they’ve always been, own contract work, manufacturing and retail companies who have nothing to do with transport beyond moving their own goods between their own sites and run their own fleet.
beefy4605:
. Thats a disgrace of a pay rate - no difference between 4 on 4 off nights- £38,638 and Any 5 from 7 Nights - £38,638 .
I guess in principle if the 4o4o shifts are routinely the longer runs you could get to a position where the hours worked over a reference period are by and large the same which might justify the pay parity.
If it’s 4 on 4 off distance trailer swaps or full/bulk loads v 5 days local multi drop it’s a no brainer choice.It doesn’t seem to state that though.Make no mistake the unions are out to take the best quality work off the road to give it to their rail freight mates.
simcor:
Tbh I don’t see many jobs offering much better rates than that round here myself.
I’d like to know where all these mega rates are people often talk about.
Same places they’ve always been, own contract work, manufacturing and retail companies who have nothing to do with transport beyond moving their own goods between their own sites and run their own fleet.
The downside to that can be management who know nothing about transport and who view drivers as just mobile core business staff expected to do core business ( inside ) duties on demand.
The above can be alleviated by an in house but dedicated transport only department/section/management and the job of driver means what it says on the tin only answerable to the transport department/management.Probably a good question to ask in the case of such jobs.
peirre:
As a comparison
Just around the corner at B&Q (GXO) the drivers are on at least £41K-£42K basic (48hrs) and the night men are on around £6K more + perks/full sick pay etc, and atm they are only working 6-8hrs a day. The drivers further up the road at Premier foods (OXO/Bisto) are on similar money.
With actual physical proof of that rather than just some advert stating as such? I find it hard to believe a company is paying nights 50k a year for doing 6 to 8 hours a night. 4 on 4 off or any 5 out of 7?
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Nights at my place (contracted 42.5hrs week/9.25hrs daily) would get £61,600 with no overtime.
Even reduce theoretically to eight hours (10pm to 6am) and it would be £55,600.
Company generated over £65 billion I think last year, profit of £2.6 billion.
simcor:
With actual physical proof of that rather than just some advert stating as such? I find it hard to believe a company is paying nights 50k a year for doing 6 to 8 hours a night. 4 on 4 off or any 5 out of 7?
My limp is parked in their yard, with the occasional change to the Doncaster yard, so I know a lot of the people and what they earn.
Their contracts are 5/7 but they only work M-F on days with some of the night men split between M-F and S-T doing a mix of night trunks, or picking up between 2-4 cans a shift from Sheffield.
Like all non food retail companies B&Q are feeling the pressure as sales slow down, and the need for full load deliveries to stores has decreased, and the frequency of deliveries has decreased. Stores that where having full loads 5 days a week are now have 2-3 half loads
Well then if paying 50k a year for 6 to 8 hours of work it doesn’t take a mathematician to work out how long that can go on for.
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They’re only doing less hours as things are a bit slow atm, whereas I’m getting the longer hours as the office clerks seem to think that the limpers want longer hours to get more money, plus there’s a couple of shift start times that no one else wants, so I end up with them
simcor:
Tbh I don’t see many jobs offering much better rates than that round here myself.
I’d like to know where all these mega rates are people often talk about.
Same places they’ve always been, own contract work, manufacturing and retail companies who have nothing to do with transport beyond moving their own goods between their own sites and run their own fleet.
Funny you say that as every job I’ve ever seen listed by companies who run their own transport when making stuff often pay about the same or even less than the bigger companies for profit. Maybe some own account companies do pay very good money but I’d say from everyone I’ve seen advertised it isn’t the case they pay decent wages. And then comes the old chestnut dead man’s boots that why you never see them advertising, whilst there may be some truth to that I also don’t buy the hype spouted about it either. Same as I don’t buy 95% of the crap spouted by drivers as most couldn’t tell the truth if their life depended on it.
beefy4605:
I’m assuming as its DHL there is a drivers union on site ? If so thats a great advertisement for the so called strength of a union and what it can do for their members . Thats a disgrace of a pay rate - no difference between 4 on 4 off nights- £38,638 and Any 5 from 7 Nights - £38,638 .
£38638 by 52 weeks =£743/ week and if thats top line ( because they all love to quote top line not what actually ends up in your bank ) minus 25% for tax and insurance leaves you with £557 a week . Even here in Northern Ireland the land that time forgot thats a pretty poor wage .
The so called benefits package had better include free parking on site and a free uniform .
Is this in the so called "Golden Triange " area I hear so many drivers on about ?
£38638 take home pay is £582.62 per week £2524.68 per month… thesalarycalculator.co.uk/salary.php
And as said above by another poster that is based on a 42 hour week so on that salary it is £17.70 per hour.
Over the last 12 weeks I averaged 40 hours a week and after deductions (tax, N.I. and pensions) I’m banking well over £700/ week - £18 .50 per hour AFTER TAX, N.I AND PENSION ) . I’ll just remind you thats a N. Ireland wage with no union involvment and I could easliy get more at other firms (I know for a fact I could be earning more but would have to put in a lot more hours for it ) - seems the wages in the mainland UK are taking a nosedive . Based on the great praise on here by some members for a workplace union I am shocked that this is an acceptable wage in an area thats always been touted as one of the better areas of the UK to work in .
Honestly I really thought the grass was greener - seems I was very wrong .
simcor:
Add in company sick pay like DHL pay, and now if you know how to work the system you can work even less days a year like that. I know because some of the 4 on 4 off staff were regularly off sick just enough for it to not affect their Bradford score that would trigger investigations/disciplinary action if you worked it out just right.
Actually a waste of time the Bradford scale as less days off sick but more frequent than more days off sick less frequent gets you a higher score. So the more days you take off sick typically of your 4 on gets you a lower score than say 2 single days off sick if working 5 days a week.
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How is The Bradford Factor calculated?
At this point you’re probably wondering where on earth this number comes from. Here’s the formula behind the Bradford Factor.
E² x D = Bradford Factor
E = the number of instances of absence
D = the total number of days absent in a 52-week period
Examples of Bradford Factor calculations?
As you may have noticed from the formula, an employee who takes frequent, short spells of sickness will rack up a higher Bradford Factor than an employee who has less bouts of sickness but tends to take more days off each time.
Let’s say Lucy has had a total of 7 days off sick in the last year. Her Bradford Factor score will depend on how many blocks of absence she’s taken. For example
1 bout of absence: 1 instance x 1 instance x 7 total days off
= 7 (Bradford Factor score)
2 bouts of absence: 2 instances x 2 instances x 7 total days off
= 28 (Bradford Factor score)
3 bouts of absence: 3 instances x 3 instances x 7 total days off
= 63 (Bradford Factor Score)
simcor:
Add in company sick pay like DHL pay, and now if you know how to work the system you can work even less days a year like that. I know because some of the 4 on 4 off staff were regularly off sick just enough for it to not affect their Bradford score that would trigger investigations/disciplinary action if you worked it out just right.
Actually a waste of time the Bradford scale as less days off sick but more frequent than more days off sick less frequent gets you a higher score. So the more days you take off sick typically of your 4 on gets you a lower score than say 2 single days off sick if working 5 days a week.
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How is The Bradford Factor calculated?
At this point you’re probably wondering where on earth this number comes from. Here’s the formula behind the Bradford Factor.
E² x D = Bradford Factor
E = the number of instances of absence
D = the total number of days absent in a 52-week period
Examples of Bradford Factor calculations?
As you may have noticed from the formula, an employee who takes frequent, short spells of sickness will rack up a higher Bradford Factor than an employee who has less bouts of sickness but tends to take more days off each time.
Let’s say Lucy has had a total of 7 days off sick in the last year. Her Bradford Factor score will depend on how many blocks of absence she’s taken. For example
1 bout of absence: 1 instance x 1 instance x 7 total days off
= 7 (Bradford Factor score)
2 bouts of absence: 2 instances x 2 instances x 7 total days off
= 28 (Bradford Factor score)
3 bouts of absence: 3 instances x 3 instances x 7 total days off
= 63 (Bradford Factor Score)
Yep a bonkers system that supposedly weeds out who is genuinely sick or not.
A system that suggests you are better off having more days off than needed to feel better to be able to do your job.
Me I only take time off sick when I need it and often it will be for a day or 3 at the most usually. Unless something serious. The longest absence periods I have ever had from work in my life are 3.5 months when I bust my ankle, and I had 10 days isolation during COVID when I tested positive and felt awful. Not as bad as some that’s for sure but it took a good 5 or 6 days for me to feel well enough to go back to work but had to isolate for the full 10 days.
And it also depends on what scores trigger what actions at the company you work for as well, as what action is set at what score is down the company’s discretion to set them.
beefy4605:
I’m assuming as its DHL there is a drivers union on site ? If so thats a great advertisement for the so called strength of a union and what it can do for their members . Thats a disgrace of a pay rate - no difference between 4 on 4 off nights- £38,638 and Any 5 from 7 Nights - £38,638 .
£38638 by 52 weeks =£743/ week and if thats top line ( because they all love to quote top line not what actually ends up in your bank ) minus 25% for tax and insurance leaves you with £557 a week . Even here in Northern Ireland the land that time forgot thats a pretty poor wage .
The so called benefits package had better include free parking on site and a free uniform .
Is this in the so called "Golden Triange " area I hear so many drivers on about ?
£38638 take home pay is £582.62 per week £2524.68 per month… thesalarycalculator.co.uk/salary.php
And as said above by another poster that is based on a 42 hour week so on that salary it is £17.70 per hour.
Over the last 12 weeks I averaged 40 hours a week and after deductions (tax, N.I. and pensions) I’m banking well over £700/ week - £18 .50 per hour AFTER TAX, N.I AND PENSION ) . I’ll just remind you thats a N. Ireland wage with no union involvment and I could easliy get more at other firms (I know for a fact I could be earning more but would have to put in a lot more hours for it ) - seems the wages in the mainland UK are taking a nosedive . Based on the great praise on here by some members for a workplace union I am shocked that this is an acceptable wage in an area thats always been touted as one of the better areas of the UK to work in .
Honestly I really thought the grass was greener - seems I was very wrong .
Wouldn’t know about regional variations,but the unionised job I have now,■■■■■■ all over anything I’ve had on the past.
If I wasn’t in a unionised firm…no way would I be working to tomorrow…I’d be in the pub…or fishing.
beefy4605:
I’m assuming as its DHL there is a drivers union on site ? If so thats a great advertisement for the so called strength of a union and what it can do for their members . Thats a disgrace of a pay rate - no difference between 4 on 4 off nights- £38,638 and Any 5 from 7 Nights - £38,638 .
£38638 by 52 weeks =£743/ week and if thats top line ( because they all love to quote top line not what actually ends up in your bank ) minus 25% for tax and insurance leaves you with £557 a week . Even here in Northern Ireland the land that time forgot thats a pretty poor wage .
The so called benefits package had better include free parking on site and a free uniform .
Is this in the so called "Golden Triange " area I hear so many drivers on about ?
£38638 take home pay is £582.62 per week £2524.68 per month… thesalarycalculator.co.uk/salary.php
And as said above by another poster that is based on a 42 hour week so on that salary it is £17.70 per hour.
Over the last 12 weeks I averaged 40 hours a week and after deductions (tax, N.I. and pensions) I’m banking well over £700/ week - £18 .50 per hour AFTER TAX, N.I AND PENSION ) . I’ll just remind you thats a N. Ireland wage with no union involvment and I could easliy get more at other firms (I know for a fact I could be earning more but would have to put in a lot more hours for it ) - seems the wages in the mainland UK are taking a nosedive . Based on the great praise on here by some members for a workplace union I am shocked that this is an acceptable wage in an area thats always been touted as one of the better areas of the UK to work in .
Honestly I really thought the grass was greener - seems I was very wrong .
And I bet you don’t get out of bed at midnight on a Saturday night ,& have to sit outside tesco Goole at 3 am waiting for your booking time !!! Grrrr angry driver !!!
the maoster:
They’re not the only GXO drivers getting made redundant!
Speak freely young man,we need more
Short story long……
The site was operated by GXO who were in negotiations to renew the lease, negotiations were dragging on for ever, we initially thought it was GXO dragging their feet and then negotiations broke down. Apparently the landlord wanted 4x per annum the amount previously paid.
GXO balked at this. Next thing is another company (which incidentally the landlord is a director of) come in and TUPE the workforce over to them with the exception of transport and the VMU. They are pouring in £140 million into developing the site. This new company historically do not operate their own transport but were (apparently) happy for us (GXO) to take care of that.
The next thing we hear is that the VMU is being flattened to make a staff car park, so with 30 units and 60 trailers it looks like our maintenance costs are going to skyrocket. That in itself is problematic but then you factor in that the new company want £1 million per annum from GXO to merely operate there it becomes far more problematic.
To cap it all, the new company either through design or (as I strongly suspect) incompetence have driven away over 80% of the existing customers and therefore work for us. GXO have decided that our position is untenable and are pulling the plug on us and Bedworth depot with effect from December 31st.
the maoster:
They’re not the only GXO drivers getting made redundant!
Speak freely young man,we need more
Short story long……
The site was operated by GXO who were in negotiations to renew the lease, negotiations were dragging on for ever, we initially thought it was GXO dragging their feet and then negotiations broke down. Apparently the landlord wanted 4x per annum the amount previously paid.
GXO balked at this. Next thing is another company (which incidentally the landlord is a director of) come in and TUPE the workforce over to them with the exception of transport and the VMU. They are pouring in £140 million into developing the site. This new company historically do not operate their own transport but were (apparently) happy for us (GXO) to take care of that.
The next thing we hear is that the VMU is being flattened to make a staff car park, so with 30 units and 60 trailers it looks like our maintenance costs are going to skyrocket. That in itself is problematic but then you factor in that the new company want £1 million per annum from GXO to merely operate there it becomes far more problematic.
To cap it all, the new company either through design or (as I strongly suspect) incompetence have driven away over 80% of the existing customers and therefore work for us. GXO have decided that our position is untenable and are pulling the plug on us and Bedworth depot with effect from December 31st.
Sorry to hear that pal,I know they’re pulling the plug on the Thatcham drinks depot around the same time due to costs,I’ve never known a company like them though,they’ve bought Clipper Logistics and ended up with the Iveco dealership too which I’m not sure they knew about at first,some of the Wilko guys have been offered jobs at Wakefield on the beer though as they’re not keen on paying the redundancy by the sounds of it.
Thanks mate. It’s not all doom and gloom because I have a theory that we’ll finish on a Friday and start there on the next Monday wearing different uniforms but with a nice cheque in the bank.
We are definitely getting redundancy as much as it may stick in their throats. We get a long negotiated enhanced package with some of the long termers receiving 60 weeks wages!
