Does anybody know the legal break within the 10 hour driving limit on domestic regs. I was told it was 30 minutes by some and 45 minutes by others. What is the actual current break time required?
you have to have 45 mins break after 4.5 hours driving wether it be a 15 mins earlier on followed by 30mins, then u can drive for a further 4.5 hours then u have to have another 45 min break then u can carry on with your last hour driving
There is no legal driving break required, u only have to abide by the WTD for breaks
truckdriver-online.com/tacho … hours.html
Hope this link helps
mark h:
you have to have 45 mins break after 4.5 hours driving wether it be a 15 mins earlier on followed by 30mins, then u can drive for a further 4.5 hours then u have to have another 45 min break then u can carry on with your last hour driving
The above is for AETR or EU Regulations.
Daily driving
In any working day the maximum amount of driving permitted is 10 hours. The daily driving limit applies to driving on and off the public road. Off-road driving for the purposes of agriculture, quarrying, forestry, building work or civil engineering counts as duty rather than driving time.
10 hours driving in 11 hours duty
For Domestic regulations I would take rest to mean breaks rather than the more important distinction of EU regs and daily rest periods
Employers should also remember that they have additional obligations to
ensure that drivers receive adequate rest under health and safety legislation.
Adequate rest means that workers should have regular rest periods. These rest periods should be sufficiently long and continuous to ensure that workers do not harm themselves, fellow workers or others and that they do not damage their health in the short or long term.
If you drive PSV or Minibuses on Domestic hours. you can only drive for 5.30 hours before a 30 minute break is taken.
Unlike the EU regulations no breaks from driving are required. Furthermore the 15 minutes break before exceeding 6 hours work requirement of the WTD doesn’t apply either. You can pretty much crack on for as long as you want, up to 10 hours.
Coffeeholic:
Unlike the EU regulations no breaks from driving are required. Furthermore the 15 minutes break before exceeding 6 hours work requirement of the WTD doesn’t apply either. You can pretty much crack on for as long as you want, up to 10 hours.
That is why you should listen to Neil. He wrote what I did in 3 lines. Mine took 20 minutes to paste the whole bloody book 
How come the WTD doesnt count■■? everything i can see on the internet and the driving regs via vosa says u still have to abide by the WTD. If u dont have to abide by them makes my job as a refuse driver much easier. 
mosiman007:
How come the WTD doesnt count■■? everything i can see on the internet and the driving regs via vosa says u still have to abide by the WTD. If u dont have to abide by them makes my job as a refuse driver much easier.
Under Domestic Rules you are only subject to four parts of the WTD, that’s the 1998 version for normal folk. You don’t fall under the 2005 version for those of us who drive under EU Rules. The weekly average of 48 hours over the reference period, a minimum of 5.6 weeks annual leave, night workers health checks and an entitlement to adequate rest, but what is adequate isn’t defined.
[Link to conformation], page 47.
ah i see, sweet. makes my job so much easier. thanks for the clarification
Thanks for the replies guys. I asked the question originally as even the management at my place don’t seem to understand the regulations. I drive a dustcart for a London Borough by the way. They were insistant that I must take a 45 minute break, whereas I had been taking a 30 minute break. My Loaders are entitled to an hours break anyway if they wanted to, and I like to take a break, as driving is obviously tiring over an extended period.
I wonder how long it will be before we are brought under regular tacho regulations?
Ragnarok:
I wonder how long it will be before we are brought under regular tacho regulations?
There was talk about updating the domestic regulations but as far as I’m aware that idea has now been shelved at-least for the foreseeable future.
I imagine there’s a quango at work somewhere in the darkest corridors of parliament still discussing the situation at great expense to the tax payer though 
Ragnarok:
I wonder how long it will be before we are brought under regular tacho regulations?
The UK Govt could determine that as under article 13 of 561/2006 an EU state MAY grant certain exceptions from the regs if it wishes to