stevieboy308:
Can the dog look after the horses?
Speaking of horses I worked with a bloke who referred to “yoking” up a unit to a trailer as you did with shire horses. Comes from the tackle they wore, specifically the yoke. I was always impressed he used that term 
. I can handle horses but I didn’t learn it from wagon driving. Certainly couldn’t “yoke” up a team to a stage 
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stevieboy308:
Can the dog look after the horses?
the last time i was on one,then someone pointed out to me that it was the first time they had seen a fanny halfway up a horses back…
dieseldog999:
stevieboy308:
Can the dog look after the horses?the last time i was on one,then someone pointed out to me that it was the first time they had seen a fanny halfway up a horses back…
You see, me and you, we’re the same! You can’t do the horsey stuff the old fella’s could when you started, a few of them probably thought you youngster were dumbing down the industry, had ■■■■ for brains with no common sense, just the same as you look at me because I can’t tie a dolly like you old fella’s used to and I’ll probably turn into Juddian and go on to the thick ■■■■■ who’ve never used a manual!!
stevieboy308:
dieseldog999:
stevieboy308:
Can the dog look after the horses?the last time i was on one,then someone pointed out to me that it was the first time they had seen a fanny halfway up a horses back…
You see, me and you, we’re the same! You can’t do the horsey stuff the old fella’s could when you started, a few of them probably thought you youngster were dumbing down the industry, had [zb] for brains with no common sense, just the same as you look at me because I can’t tie a dolly like you old fella’s used to and I’ll probably turn into Juddian and go on the the thick [zb] who’ve never used a manual!!
im not looking at you in any derogative way…the job in itself has dumbed itself down with comanies like toscos and stobrats etc.i despise the epitome of how they operate as its just kfc with wheels…id just have thought that anyone in the truck trade would either know or have found out how to tie the 1 knot commonly used…nothing more than that. 
I can rope well enough but my sheeting is shocking. Only been on a flat bed a few months and most of them were nice and dry. In the coming weeks I’m sure I’ll learn quick enough…hopefully.
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Chapman85:
I can rope well enough but my sheeting is shocking. Only been on a flat bed a few months and most of them were nice and dry. In the coming weeks I’m sure I’ll learn quick enough…hopefully.Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk
youl learn quicker if they take the damages out of your wages…
Freight Dog:
Now I could rope perfectly fine, pretty well actually, I knew the theory of sheeting but that was it it wasn’t efficient or pretty but safe but I got it back to the yard
My experience of the black art went along along similar lines.With the difference that I just viewed sheeting as a luckily rare necessary evil and that didn’t bother me just so long as the weather didn’t get to the load and the wind didn’t get under it.Which contrary to the rose tinted specs was actually often enough to be at the higher end of the skill set in the day with roped and sheeted flats being by no means as common and with that the origami type perfectionist sheeting skills learn’t or even needed,as often thought.Although Bewick will never believe it. 
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Last but not least 10.58 - 11.02
IE roping was a generally essential skill set.But not top class sheeting which was another level only learn’t by those drivers who’d started out in a flat general haulage environment requiring regular sheeting from day 1 or at least early in their careers.For almost all if not everyone else it was always a struggle with plenty of drivers probably spending much if not most of their careers on other types of vehicles and work where sheeting wasn’t even on the radar. 
Interesting this one brings up a few sensitivities.
If someone is quite interested in something, say a job they’re actually passionate about, it’s not unusual to take an interest in it to the point you take on learning as much as you can even in things that seem old hat. For me, I liked learning things I could even if they were scarcely required, but that only came about through my interest brought up from going out as a kid in a lorry. The same vocational approach when I moved into aviation. You lap it up and anything that’s a bit “iconic”, I was all over.
Its quite common to read on here how clinical and unvocational driving has become. By unvocational, I mean people do it for a job rather than any passion for being a “lorry driver”. The reasons behind this could fill a book I’d imagine. Perhaps removal by the industry of any value or pride in the role has shown up in the lack of interest in anything seemingly superfluous by people in the field.
I quite like learning seemingly pointless as old as the hills practical skills. I like it when a lot of my younger work mates have fantastic hipster beards but can’t change their brakes or light an open fire and it’s almost comical how the lack of facebook or YouTube leaves them figuratively castrated in these circumstances . I bloody well like it even more when without even anyone saying a word after scrabbling around for a phone signal looking for YouTube advice on lighting said fire they get all sensitive and make excuses about it’s a modern world etc . Bloody hell it doesn’t bother me, I find it funny. You can get through life really well without knowing anything practical these days.
It’s just man pride in practical things for the pure enjoyment, Getting back to basics. I like the idea that James May shared, that man should retain basic man skills. I suppose when the zombie apocalypse comes at least one of us will know how to light a fire
scottie0011:
Could probably manage if I was pushed lol [emoji13]
That’s seriously tidy.
stevieboy308:
I can’t tie a dolly like you old fella’s used to!!
I’m not that old to be honest, sure I’m not exactly a twenty something. I’m not in my forties either, well just about. As someone once said, it ain’t the years, it’s the mileage. I’ve packed a lot into my years, not necessarily through choice
aye I was taught to rope (carters hitch) by my dad on the farm ,bales an the likes…only pulled a flat on a few occasions but iirc it was bags fertilizer on skids and they had to roped down ,yeah I know a scotch cross on the back would have done But the owner wanted the bags roped down double hitch the full monty and a kin tarp on them an awe so torch in hand middle o the night ■■■■■■ down an awe got it done …so heading north up tebay a shout on the CB its the boss flying past telling me the load looked ok what was I worried about 
soon got fed up o that …logs down ,takes the stakes out and run round to load skids o fertilizer permanent nights wetest winter in the mid 80s
dieseldog999:
switchlogic:
I love how you use an incredibly specific scenario to justify your opinion that all truck drivers should know how to tie a particular knotjust one specific instance for me…tying up mudflaps,airkit and a variety of other faults and mishaps…ive mentioned several earlier…we dont all work for the,call out the fitter tosco h&s mobs.and its only a specific knot beacuse id assume its the 99.999% most common and popular knot in the trucking industry, i bet toby123 could tie one no bother when he strapped his bike to the back of the cab…
Everything you mention can be done with straps, and no matter what work I’m doing I always carry a couple of straps as they can be useful for a multitude of things. You assume it’s the 99.999% most common and popular knot in the trucking industry? Fancy that, an assumption.
switchlogic:
dieseldog999:
switchlogic:
I love how you use an incredibly specific scenario to justify your opinion that all truck drivers should know how to tie a particular knotjust one specific instance for me…tying up mudflaps,airkit and a variety of other faults and mishaps…ive mentioned several earlier…we dont all work for the,call out the fitter tosco h&s mobs.and its only a specific knot beacuse id assume its the 99.999% most common and popular knot in the trucking industry, i bet toby123 could tie one no bother when he strapped his bike to the back of the cab…
Everything you mention can be done with straps, and no matter what work I’m doing I always carry a couple of straps as they can be useful for a multitude of things. You assume it’s the 99.999% most common and popular knot in the trucking industry? Fancy that, an assumption.
Well given there’s not a lot of other knots used in haulage I’d reckon he was on the right line we all know he means. Unless you’re going for the picky pedant Percy angle. Good you use straps. I use straps too. How wonderful.
Just makes me laugh when people come out with precise figures the reveal is an assumption, that’s all. His obsession with a knot is quite charming though
switchlogic:
Just makes me laugh when people come out with precise figures the reveal is an assumption, that’s all. His obsession with a knot is quite charming though
Yes, so the pedant angle . I knew what he meant, he is correct. He’s probably understated it. I’ll eat my hat and lay my house if I’m wrong (don’t hold me to that).
It’s a widely used knot, if knot (ha the humour of English) thee knot. I’ll be honest, between you and I [whispers] when have we seen a catspaw or double sheet bend used on a lorry? Me neither, but stuff it, he’s taking numbers, we can get him on this… [end whisper]
I don’t think he’s talking a knot, more an approach within the industry, ha, but what am I to say…
I haven’t seen a roped down load and therefore a knot on a lorry in a very long time. To me this whole thread just strikes me as an attempt to put people down. ‘Can’t tie a dolly knot? Can’t possibly be a proper driver’
I thought it was down to what truck you drive and how many horses are under the hood!
switchlogic:
To me this whole thread just strikes me as an attempt to put people down. ‘Can’t tie a dolly knot? Can’t possibly be a proper driver’
Ah the cry of the modern world perhaps? “I’m offended” maybe? Devil’s advocate.
If someone is challenging older ways vs the new, to transpose this challenge to being “put down” is quite an elevation no? We see this a lot these days. Someone challenges and someone raises the red card and it’s all over. Stigma, end of discussion, a discussion killed on the spot by moral harpoon.
I can actually tie a dolly. It’s not a big mystery. You can learn with your laces in 2 min, I’ve used dollies. But use straps as that’s what I’ve now got. But I don’t feel put down, I think it’s got good and bad bits, I’m not closed ears. If you robustly believe in your opinions? Well, why would you feel “put down”…
…unless there’s doubt about something deeper? Maybe like some one said, sensitiveness?
switchlogic:
Just makes me laugh when people come out with precise figures the reveal is an assumption, that’s all. His obsession with a knot is quite charming though
theres your sign right there…your wrongly assuming i have an obsession with knots…my original question was…shout if you cant tie one…nothing more…after about 4 pages of replies…theres about 3 replies actually on topic stating they cant tie one.my assumption/educated guess,was that id have thought it was just one of those things a new driver would pick up in the course of the job,whether on flats,fridges or anything else related to road haulage.rachet straps are fine and lots better in most cases,id just have thought if you were a driver,then you would at least know how to tie a dolly in case you ever had cause to use a rope even as a emergency repair, the dolly being i would think,assume,surmise,would be the most popular knot in our profession.or am i assuming wrongly?
my own opinion of the tosco type job having steering wheel attendants who have came into the job for reasons other than being mad for tar and working accordingly is only my own view.there will still be plenty of new truckies joining the profession for a genuine interest in the job.its just a different job from years ago.
Freight Dog:
stevieboy308:
I can’t tie a dolly like you old fella’s used to!!I’m not that old to be honest, sure I’m not exactly a twenty something. I’m not in my forties either, well just about. As someone once said, it ain’t the years, it’s the mileage. I’ve packed a lot into my years, not necessarily through choice
You’re about the same age as me then!
I’m also happy with what I’ve packed into my years!!
Every roofer used to know how to thatch, not so much now, as it’s a bit niche!
As I work for a farm I also do work on the farm, I can plough with a reversible plough, but wouldn’t know where to start on a conventional plough from back in the day, Like most people who were not around when all there was was conventional.
Would I like to be able to rope and sheet, yes, it’s another string to my bow, just like driving a car transporter or heavy haulage would be.
Do I think it’s bad I can’t, despite it being the staple of trucking back in the day, no, it’s now very niche and I’ve never been in a position where I’ve thought I wish I could do that or felt I’ve been held back by my lack of knowledge on that subject!
I still know I’m not a proper trucker though!!
