A huge hole in the dcpc, as far as drivers hours are concerned, is the fact that you don’t have to attend a drivers hours module. On mine there was a guy attending his fifth & last module, he could only get there on Fridays so ended up doing the same one five times. His fault, trainers fault or dcpc set up fault?
shuttlespanker:
ROG:
shuttlespanker:
POA CAN count as breakBUT, only as part of a double manned operation
True - but it seemed that the OP was referring to non MM ops
that may be so, but, you clearly stated that POA does not count as break for anything, when, i clearly does
if you are going to make a statement such as that, please be factual
He was being factual. POA does not count towards a break. The only time it is ‘accepted’ is when you are in the passenger seat of a moving vehicle and that is only down to the inability of the digi tach to be set to any other mode, ie he was on a break but couldn’t show it. If it was actually a poa then it wasn’t a break!
I’ve heard the reason POA registers as a break is due to the fact that in Europe
A POA is counted as break (so I’ve heard) I guess all tacos are set to the same standard?
I just always use a mental note when using it, I pause my timer on my phone which is set for 6 hours and resume it when I’ve finished POA.
Personally for me keeps it simple
Crane-boy:
I’ve heard the reason POA registers as a break is due to the fact that in Europe
A POA is counted as break (so I’ve heard) I guess all tacos are set to the same standard?
I’ve heard that to, but the regulations are very clear that POA is not break, so if some other EU countries are accepting POA as break we might as well throw the regulations out the window.
I thought the whole point of these EU regulations was to ensure all EU countries are working to the same regulations.
Road2ruin:
shuttlespanker:
ROG:
shuttlespanker:
POA CAN count as breakBUT, only as part of a double manned operation
True - but it seemed that the OP was referring to non MM ops
that may be so, but, you clearly stated that POA does not count as break for anything, when, i clearly does
if you are going to make a statement such as that, please be factual
He was being factual. POA does not count towards a break. The only time it is ‘accepted’ is when you are in the passenger seat of a moving vehicle and that is only down to the inability of the digi tach to be set to any other mode, ie he was on a break but couldn’t show it. If it was actually a poa then it wasn’t a break!
so, in that instance, does POA count as break?
simple yes or no answer will suffice 
Yes it does…
However the point is he is not actually having a poa he is having a break the tacho just wont let him record as a break. If he were on an actual poa then it would not count as a break…
Road2ruin:
Yes it does…
so, now that we have established that in some circumstances, POA CAN count as break, do you still stand by your previous quote, exclaiming ROG as…
Road2ruin:
He was being factual. POA does not count towards a break
or, are you still going to be a ■■■■ and deny what you, yourself have just posted?
When multi manned the 2nd driver cannot select any mode other than POA whilst the vehicle is moving.
He is actually sitting in the passenger seat or lying in the bunk having a break - the Tacho is unfortunately recording the wrong mode - therefore the driver is not having a POA. He is just recording a POA whilst having a break.
Because of this DVSA will accept that the first 45 minutes of time recorded as POA whilst the vehicle is moving can be counted as the drivers break - unless work had taken place in which case a manual written record would be required for that work.
I think it is incorrect to say a POA can be counted as a break. It can’t. But this discussion is all about a play on words - not what the driver was doing.
tachograph:
Crane-boy:
I’ve heard the reason POA registers as a break is due to the fact that in Europe
A POA is counted as break (so I’ve heard) I guess all tacos are set to the same standard?I’ve heard that to, but the regulations are very clear that POA is not break, so if some other EU countries are accepting POA as break we might as well throw the regulations out the window.
I thought the whole point of these EU regulations was to ensure all EU countries are working to the same regulations.
We’d do a lot better to throw the whole ■■■■ Working Time Directive out of the window. It’s a pointless exercise in petty bureaucracy in our trade, put there to fix a non-existent problem.
The only really sensible modification to the whole hours regulation system has been the one which ensures that you take the half hour break after the short one.
I can’t be the only one who’s fed up with having to sit twiddling my thumbs in a layby half a mile from the yard for fifteen minutes to get that WTD “rest” in, which would be far better spent getting home fifteen minutes earlier.
I must say a very mature attitude by some on here!
Shep532 made the exact point and explained it perfectly. If sone can’t understand it then never mind.