Zac_A:
I thought this thread was dead?
I still believe OP was just a troll, and I’ve got no time for the anti-vax conspiracy theorists, but if by chance he/she was not a troll, then one thing they hadn’t considered is that: just because the UK does not have compulsory vaccination at the moment, does not mean we might not decide to impose it in the future, and if that happened, he/she would have just shot theirself in the foot big-style :lol:
But not a problem…
…if they`ve had a tetanus jab!
David DeHavilland:
stu675:
David DeHavilland:
[ the first thing we do is explain that there is no obligation to have a vaccine ( !Great. Can I get a vaccine passport please? But I don’t want to get the jab.
So is that true there’s no obligation to have a vaccine?
There is no legal obligation but yes you won’t get a vaccine passport and that will lead to restrictions which is a type of coercion and that I am against
And yet you are facilitating it!
You could vaccinate people but refuse to update the central register, therefore vaccinated people would have the health outcome that they want without any unfair privileges.
stu675:
unfair privileges.
Like the “unfair privileges” some people have for simply getting on board with “how the world works”? Such as passing exams to drive a truck or be a Transport Manager?
I’ve met a number of people who believe they should have these things gifted to them “because I already know how to do it”. Having a “vaccine passport” is not really any different, apart from there being no conspiracy theories (yet!) associated with vocational qualifications.
I’ve got no problem with some people not having their jab, but every choice in life is a trade-off between ‘costs and benefits’, that includes health vaccinations too.
Zac_A:
stu675:
unfair privileges.
I’ve met a number of people who believe they should have these things gifted to them “because I already know how to do it”. Having a “vaccine passport” is not really any different, apart from there being no conspiracy theories (yet!) associated with vocational qualifications.
I’ve got no problem with some people not having their jab, but every choice in life is a trade-off between ‘costs and benefits’, that includes health vaccinations too.
Given that there is evidence of increased covid infection rates in the first two weeks after vaccination, and that immunity declines 50 days after vaccination hartgroup.org/latest-eviden … ccination/
Why are vaccinated people given unfair privileges compared with those with natural immunity confirmed by antibody tests?
Does anyone who if there is a test to see if a prior covid infection was had well over a year ago such as testing for the T and B cells 
stu675:
Why are vaccinated people given unfair privileges compared with those with natural immunity confirmed by antibody tests?
And who are HART compared with the NHS and SAGE? No-one.
There’s no shortage of websites spouting nonsense. If you don’t want to be vaccinated, then don’t be, most of us who are happily vaccinated don’t care one way or another, but please keep the conspiracy theories for those parts of the internet where they’re welcome. I believe TN took active steps some months ago to stamp out all the conspiracy nonsense on here.
It’s amazing how conspiracy theories confer such confidence upon their believers, and it continues to amuse me that some members of a truck driving forum feel they’re qualified to pontificate on the intricacies of immunology, which in my experience is by far the most challenging area of science I have worked in.
ROG:
Does anyone who if there is a test to see if a prior covid infection was had well over a year ago such as testing for the T and B cells
nhs.uk/conditions/coronavir … ronavirus/
Yes it would appear they are available but I can’t see much point in it:
What an antibody test can tell you
An antibody test can tell you if it’s likely you’ve had COVID-19 before. It checks if your body has created antibodies to the virus or if these are from the vaccine.
Some people who’ve had the virus or the vaccine do not have antibodies. This means the test does not work for everyone.
An antibody test does not tell you:
if you’re immune to COVID-19
if you can or cannot spread the virus to other people
ROG:
Does anyone who if there is a test to see if a prior covid infection was had well over a year ago such as testing for the T and B cells
Yes you can apply for an antibody test. I’ve done three and they were all positive, the latest over a year after infection.
gov.uk/register-coronavirus-antibody-test
Antibody test. Don’t know any for Tcell immunity
Zac_A:
stu675:
Why are vaccinated people given unfair privileges compared with those with natural immunity confirmed by antibody tests?And who are HART compared with the NHS and SAGE? No-one.
in.
Sage are just paid monkeys with a vested interest.
telegraph.co.uk/opinion/202 … evelation/
stu675:
Sage are just paid monkeys with a vested interest.
telegraph.co.uk/opinion/202 … evelation/
Hardly likely to give Chris Whitty sleepless nights, but you probably have something negative to say directly about him too.
It’s very common for the average conspiracy theorist to only believe sources that appear to support their pre-conceived notions, such as a group with a demonstrated anti-vaccine agenda, and some newspaper hack in a twitter spat 
Meanwhile the average regular person prefers their information from the bona fide scientific community
Additionally, It is a common and well-documented occurrence for conspiracy theorists to simultaneously hold two opposing beliefs, which you have provided a classic example of: You deny the validity of the vaccine yet apparently can’t get enough of the antibody tests and seem more than open to the idea of covid-specific T-cell tests.
These do now exist but are unlikely to come within your purview as they are very much the preserve of cutting-edge real science, which ironically is the very thing you are odds with.
stu675:
ROG:
Does anyone who if there is a test to see if a prior covid infection was had well over a year ago such as testing for the T and B cellsYes you can apply for an antibody test. I’ve done three and they were all positive, the latest over a year after infection.
gov.uk/register-coronavirus-antibody-testAntibody test. Don’t know any for Tcell immunity
If you’re in England
You can register for a test kit if you’re 18 or over and you work in paid adult social care.
I do not work in adult social care so cannot order one
ROG:
I do not work in adult social care so cannot order one
I’ve been taking part in the Zoe Covid study for over a year, hence why I was entitled.
Zac, you can’t dismiss facts by describing them conspiracy theories and spats. It’s you that comes across as deluded.
You haven’t presented any facts. What you have done is given a link to a documented anti-vax group and a link to a hack talking about his activity on Twitter. Just because it’s on the internet does not make it “a fact”.
You don’t want the vaccine, don’t have it, as I said earlier the rest of us don’t care, but also don’t complain that those who are following the real scientific advice have “unfair privileges”, it sounds just the same as a teenager complaining they have to do their homework before they can have any X-box time.
stu675:
David DeHavilland:
stu675:
David DeHavilland:
[ the first thing we do is explain that there is no obligation to have a vaccine ( !Great. Can I get a vaccine passport please? But I don’t want to get the jab.
So is that true there’s no obligation to have a vaccine?
There is no legal obligation but yes you won’t get a vaccine passport and that will lead to restrictions which is a type of coercion and that I am against
And yet you are facilitating it!
You could vaccinate people but refuse to update the central register, therefore vaccinated people would have the health outcome that they want without any unfair privileges.
Yes I am facilitating it for people who want it, most people do. I don’t know why “anti vaxxers” get bent out of shape, they seem to want nobody else to have a vaccine either.