Concretejim:
Height indicator and a no smoking sign are not a legal requirement, and who the hell would defect them if they wernt present.
I don’t know who you drive for and it isn’t relevant in itself but if it is on the driver’s checklist and it doesn’t comply then I’ll defect it. Not to do so would be not following due process. In the OP it is on their checklist - Gist actually - and I defected it, to be told it wasn’t a defect as DVSA had changed the rules.
So far no one has posted an answer to the question - has the rule changed or not. Appears no one knows.
As far as I know there are no changes in the requirement to display an O’licence disc,
The company I work for has just got a new O’licence, location and company name change, so it was treated as a new application and was done online, however on completion we still got new discs sent to us.
However I remember reading some DVSA article not so long ago, where they said with the move to online applications and maintenance of O’licence compliance they are also considering if they should get rid of the paper disc, but no doubt it will have to go through a lengthy consultation process and then bulletins will be sent to operators and the trade press if it does happen.
Received my O license disc in the post this morning,looking on the website it lists all for my postcode but a couple I’m sure would have one are missing,can you find an O license via the reg?
IIRC there are 4 items that are legally required to be displayed in the cab -
Height Board (or whatever they use)
No smoking sign (should be square and a certain size)
Tacho validation sticker (with dates etc)
Operator licence
If any of these are missing then the vehicle should be defected
If I am wrong please tell me but as of the end of last year I was correct
I think you are wrong on the smoking sign, for england and wales anyway. If a vehicle is only used by one person and does not carry passengers, and the employer agrees, then the driver can smoke and there is then no requirement for a sign. Bit rough on the clean living, no smoking guy who inherits it 10 smoky years later, but that’s the law
manski:
If a vehicle is only used by one person and does not carry passengers, and the employer agrees, then the driver can smoke and there is then no requirement for a sign.
manski:
If a vehicle is only used by one person and does not carry passengers, and the employer agrees, then the driver can smoke and there is then no requirement for a sign.
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I take it you think some, or all, of that is not correct
Your reasonable as a driver for veichel condition mechanical defects etc.
As per your defect book.
Everything else is for the office to sort out.
Like mot tax o licences etc.
If you work.for a company vosa stop you for no tax or mot. You can’t be blamed as your not responsible for things like that.
If they find defects then obviously they can blame you for it
When I go to the yard and check the vehicle if no Op. licence I take one from another vehicle, sorted. MMTM if DVSA stop you the vehicle doesn’t move until an Operators Licence is produced.
manski:
If a vehicle is only used by one person and does not carry passengers, and the employer agrees, then the driver can smoke and there is then no requirement for a sign.
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I take it you think some, or all, of that is not correct
A no smoking sign must be displayed in all public places, work places and work vehicles. As far as I can tell, there is no opt out option
kr79:
I’m sure it’s a thing driver can’t be done for as like insurance it’s assumed the driver accepts in good faith it’s insured and o licence is valid
It is . It’s one of the things a driver can take for granted tax and insurance for other examples
manski:
If a vehicle is only used by one person and does not carry passengers, and the employer agrees, then the driver can smoke and there is then no requirement for a sign.
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I take it you think some, or all, of that is not correct
A no smoking sign must be displayed in all public places, work places and work vehicles. As far as I can tell, there is no opt out option
Do you have a link that says otherwise?
Not in all work vehicles. The legislation (Health Act 2006) requires that no-smoking signs be displayed in all “smoke-free” vehicles. These vehicles are defined in legislation (The Smoke-free (Exemptions and Vehicles) Regulations 2007) as:
"… an enclosed vehicle and any enclosed part of a vehicle is smoke-free if it is used—
(a)by members of the public or a section of the public (whether or not for reward or hire); or
(b)in the course of paid or voluntary work by more than one person (even if those persons use the vehicle at different times, or only intermittently)."
So a work vehicle which is only ever used by one person is not “smoke-free” and doesn’t need to have a no-smoking sign.
As an aside, the requirement for the signs to be of a particular size or design was removed about 6 years ago - now the signs (where required) just have to be “clearly legible”.
Roymondo:
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Not in all work vehicles. The legislation (Health Act 2006) requires that no-smoking signs be displayed in all “smoke-free” vehicles. These vehicles are defined in legislation (The Smoke-free (Exemptions and Vehicles) Regulations 2007) as:
"… an enclosed vehicle and any enclosed part of a vehicle is smoke-free if it is used—
(a)by members of the public or a section of the public (whether or not for reward or hire); or
(b)in the course of paid or voluntary work by more than one person (even if those persons use the vehicle at different times, or only intermittently)."
So a work vehicle which is only ever used by one person is not “smoke-free” and doesn’t need to have a no-smoking sign.
As an aside, the requirement for the signs to be of a particular size or design was removed about 6 years ago - now the signs (where required) just have to be “clearly legible”.
Roymondo:
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Not in all work vehicles. The legislation (Health Act 2006) requires that no-smoking signs be displayed in all “smoke-free” vehicles. These vehicles are defined in legislation (The Smoke-free (Exemptions and Vehicles) Regulations 2007) as:
"… an enclosed vehicle and any enclosed part of a vehicle is smoke-free if it is used—
(a)by members of the public or a section of the public (whether or not for reward or hire); or
(b)in the course of paid or voluntary work by more than one person (even if those persons use the vehicle at different times, or only intermittently)."
So a work vehicle which is only ever used by one person is not “smoke-free” and doesn’t need to have a no-smoking sign.
As an aside, the requirement for the signs to be of a particular size or design was removed about 6 years ago - now the signs (where required) just have to be “clearly legible”.
Well I sit corrected
Before you get back up and start peeling those signs off I do believe there is some difference between those smoking and signage laws in England / Wales / Scotland / N I ( that’s why I put England and Wales in my post ) What the difference is, if any now, I do not know. Maybe roymundo does
Just for the record I am a non smoker and smoking is banned on my premises as well as in my vehicles and we had signs in them long before any legislation
The legislation I mentioned applies only to England. There is however similar legislation applying only to Wales. Scotland (and presumably NI) have their own regulations but I have no idea how similar they are.
Roymondo:
The legislation I mentioned applies only to England. There is however similar legislation applying only to Wales. Scotland (and presumably NI) have their own regulations but I have no idea how similar they are.
Ahh the smoke police give you a tug at Todhills and the McSmoke police at Gretna…
) What the difference is, if any now, I do not know. Maybe roymundo does