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splitshift:
Ex Haulier:
My first thought is, why do you even think that people want to work 60 hours a week ?. You may get a few cab rats who want to do that but in this day and age if you are going to retain drivers you should be offering a decent wage for about 45 hours. Is it any wonder that people don’t want to do this job anymore when you are expected to do half as much again as a normal working person.Thank the lord, at least it’s not just me who thinks drivers should be treated as normal human beings with a life other than work,BTW I’m also a boss!
Got any jobs then boss?!!
Just for clarity and do feel free to correct me if I am wrong, my understanding is that 48 hour week applies to driving and other work ONLY. POA and breaks are not included in those 48 hours. I can’t think of any regular driving job where waiting to load or unload does not form a significant part of the working week??
Whilst the idea of 37 hour weeks might sound nice, in reality that falls to bits on one significant factor - traffic. Just one accident, one broken down vehicle, or inclement weather and your working day can be extended by a substantive amount. Factory and office workers know to within two minutes when they’ll be going home, vocational drivers will never have that luxury. 
Sounds like another agency
full time staff wages same everywhere in big company,or very simeral.agency pay rate as well simeral.for limited company Monday to friday 11 p/h.some agency pay up to 13 p/h.Saturday about 13 Sunday 15p/h.some agency up to 17p/h
about hours here to many company where drivers work long hours near everyday,and to many company where drivers normaly work just about 8 hours per day.some time more.but if drivers work 8 hours he get money for 8 hours,if drivers work 8h45 minut ,he get just 8 hours after break.
LIBERTY_GUY:
Just for clarity and do feel free to correct me if I am wrong, my understanding is that 48 hour week applies to driving and other work ONLY. POA and breaks are not included in those 48 hours. I can’t think of any regular driving job where waiting to load or unload does not form a significant part of the working week??Whilst the idea of 37 hour weeks might sound nice, in reality that falls to bits on one significant factor - traffic. Just one accident, one broken down vehicle, or inclement weather and your working day can be extended by a substantive amount. Factory and office workers know to within two minutes when they’ll be going home, vocational drivers will never have that luxury.
IN a perfect world - being given a salaried 48 hour week, and then finding yourself doing a night out, say, as a result of a breakdown - you’d either get paid that “delay” as booked unscheduled overtime, OR you’d get a day off in lieu to keep your hours averages legal.
If any yard runs in a manner that has it’s drivers “over-running” every damned day, then they seriously need to look at running such a bullcrap outfit that clearly can’t organise a ■■■■-up in a brewery.
“Works Organisation” should be about everyone doing their jobs in the office properly - and NOT “trying to screw as much money out of the system as possible”. 
“Planners” were obsolete when drivers had learned to read, and written instructions could be provided. How many of us have worked for yards that scribble some vague map on the back of a ■■■ packet, expect you to supply and answer your own phone at the wheel, and get all upset when you end up in some country lane dead end somewhere, because of poor organisation?
The temp bod hasn’t done the job before - and yet is expected to “know it all” from day one - no training at all.
When I was young “knowing it all on day one” was considered to be a form of arrogance. Now it seems a legal requirement just to get an entitlement to minimum wages.
Someone will do it for £100 per day, I’d want to pay £120 per day. No more than that in it unless you are golden.
JJ192:
Sounds like another agency
We are not an agency. We are a successful 4PL considering putting some tractor units on the road to satisfy a growing demand for traction only support to the big supermarket chains. This is genuine work that the supermarkets are already using subbies for, but at the moment demand is outstripping supply and also margins are so tight that running our own vehicle could be a viable option. We have been in the distribution business for over 30 years so definately not fly by night type operators. I expect we will end up with some east European drivers. Or alternatively owner drivers, who in our experience are very good.
098Joe:
JJ192:
Sounds like another agencyI expect we will end up with some east European drivers.
Small world eh, didn’t Tesco allegedly kick start this trend in the first place many years ago by direct recruiting dozens of them from Poland, ISTR they never had any trouble getting the very best of UK drivers on previous contracts?..might be wrong, but hopefully an old Tesco driver who was there at the time will confirm or deny.
Intriguing though, why do you think you’ll end up with foreigners, unless we didn’t give the answer you wanted re salaries.
098Joe:
JJ192:
Sounds like another agencyThis is genuine work that the supermarkets are already using subbies for, but at the moment demand is outstripping supply and also margins are so tight that running our own vehicle could be a viable option. I expect we will end up with some east European drivers. Or alternatively owner drivers, who in our experience are very good.
However you run your business is up to you of course, but if margins are so tight you would be struggling to pay a realistic wage, then how long do you think the East European drivers would stick it out for, before they too moved on? It is a complete fallacy to think East European drivers would want to work for less money than everyone else on a long term basis.
Everyone can throw all sorts of figures at you, but unless you offer at least £11 hour, you won’t get that much interest. Any premiums you offer for weekend working is entirely up to you.
LIBERTY_GUY:
098Joe:
JJ192:
Sounds like another agencyThis is genuine work that the supermarkets are already using subbies for, but at the moment demand is outstripping supply and also margins are so tight that running our own vehicle could be a viable option. I expect we will end up with some east European drivers. Or alternatively owner drivers, who in our experience are very good.
However you run your business is up to you of course, but if margins are so tight you would be struggling to pay a realistic wage, then how long do you think the East European drivers would stick it out for, before they too moved on? It is a complete fallacy to think East European drivers would want to work for less money than everyone else on a long term basis.
Everyone can throw all sorts of figures at you, but unless you offer at least £11 hour, you won’t get that much interest. Any premiums you offer for weekend working is entirely up to you.
We can take or leave this work but if we can make it pay then it is worth doing, so it is not a case of struggling to pay a realistic wage for the job. If it is prohibited by drivers wages costs and there is no other way to reduce vehicle costs then it will not go ahead.
098Joe:
Apologies if I am not supposed to ask here, but can anybody suggest a realistic salary to offer to drivers in Midlands for supermarket deliveries, based on average 12 hour shifts any 5 out of seven. Also would be looking for night drivers for inter depot trunking.
Thanks
Joe
30 bags a year, minimum, nights around 35
Harry Monk:
I’d only offer a bloke 60 hours a week if I was looking for a part-timer.
I think I’ve spent 60 hours in Morrisons depots on bays some weeks zzzzz
098Joe:
We have been in the distribution business for over 30 years so definately not fly by night type operators.
098Joe:
WTD can be opted out of
^^^^ 
. Hoist by your own petard springs to mind!
Where is that golden triangle in Midlands?
Yeah, listen dude, they may be flat out now but theyll forget your name come January, trust me.
£400 for 250 miles, ain’t really worth the grief if you ask me, tell em to pay £5 & we’ll talk.
the maoster:
^^^^
Yep poor Joe is still annoyed at the Stobby driver that held him up letting a fellow damsel out from a few threads ago.
Can’t think of any reality where a management trainee would be instructed to ask on a Truckers forum how much to pay said Truckers.