AndrewG:
Looks like theres two sides to this thread, one, learning another language as part of a DCPC and two, having a DCPC course for those not indigenous to the country.
The second one would work, the first certainly wouldnt, it would take weeks of learning to just pick up the basics of another language. Speaking French and Spanish now comes as second nature as ive had years of practice but…occasionally ill get a funny look if i mispronounce something…
Who said anything about being fluent in the language?
Just som e basics, would be more useful in my professional and personal life than much of what’s already done on the DCPC.
If you are equating learning a language in the dcpc to be able to do the job all I ever needed was.
A quelle heure le bateau part il?
and
Un grande biere sil vous plait.
Thanks Rob, see I’ve just learned more than a whole 7 hours module.
Some words seem internationally recognized dont they? Telephone and Taxi are universal arent they?
Beer, Vino, Camion, Kaput, Police, Problem, Dinero, all seem to be in the trucker`s lingua franca. In fact those few words added to some gesticulating, head shaking, and pointing, and we can get most ideas across.
I`m all for learning something useful in the DCPC courses, better than sitting there bored.
No need to learn a language if you’re running Europe, most UK drivers I have seen get their point across by shouting loudly in broken English, …they all know foreigners understand that method.
i see some one is advocating a dcpc can or should be taken in a foreign language…now lets look at a few facts : Many drivers on this site, have in the past said ` If foreign drivers cannot grasp our language, how can they understand road signs, etc…If we are in a foreign country, we must be able to grasp a bit of the language, if only to buy a beer or a meal, and the beaucracy has neve r been a problem for the english, as there has always been at least one who can speak various languages especially in dispatch. To take a dcpc in a foreign language…can be done, in each others countries, and the card is accepted in each others countries…so WHY should we lay on special schools for those who cannot or will not learn our language, that will add extra costs to the courses for foreign students…whereas it would be much cheaper to do it at home. Tell me what other countries we can do the dcpc in english ■■..I have Bulgarian residency, i cannot take a citizenship test, as it is done only in the bulgarian language, and i am not allowed a translator, even though i am entitled to citizenship through marriage…so as i dont speak enough bg to take the test, and too old to learn it fully, i will stay as i am. But my point is, if you need to take tests in your mother tongue, in another country, then you must learn their language and not expect them to change for your benefit, as there are many foreign students who come to the uk to study at uni, they too have had to learn the language first. BTW, i am not having a pop at foreigners, merely stating facts, and within the driving community, surely its a must to be able to understand directions, and road signs…maybe thats why so many foreign drivers are involved in accidents, or mishaps as a sign that says NO entry for vehicles over 5t, or wider than ■■ or road narrows to the size of ■■ must be able to understand.
AndrewG:
The second one would work, the first certainly wouldnt, it would take weeks of learning to just pick up the basics of another language. /quote]
Who said anything about being fluent in the language?
Just some basics, would be more useful in my professional and personal life than much of what’s already done on the DCPC.
I said im fluent in two languages, i didnt say learning to be fluent. Just to learn the basics of another language would take far more time than a DCPC would allow, being fluent in another language can take a long time, more than just a few weeks, unless of course Stephen Hawking 190 IQ…
AndrewG:
Looks like theres two sides to this thread, one, learning another language as part of a DCPC and two, having a DCPC course for those not indigenous to the country.
The second one would work, the first certainly wouldnt, it would take weeks of learning to just pick up the basics of another language. Speaking French and Spanish now comes as second nature as ive had years of practice but…occasionally ill get a funny look if i mispronounce something…
Who said anything about being fluent in the language?
Just som e basics, would be more useful in my professional and personal life than much of what’s already done on the DCPC.
If you are equating learning a language in the dcpc to be able to do the job all I ever needed was.
A quelle heure le bateau part il?
and
Un grande biere sil vous plait.
Thanks Rob, see I’ve just learned more than a whole 7 hours module.
Some words seem internationally recognized dont they? Telephone and Taxi are universal arent they?
Beer, Vino, Camion, Kaput, Police, Problem, Dinero, all seem to be in the trucker`s lingua franca. In fact those few words added to some gesticulating, head shaking, and pointing, and we can get most ideas across.
I`m all for learning something useful in the DCPC courses, better than sitting there bored.
truckyboy:
i see some one is advocating a dcpc can or should be taken in a foreign language…now lets look at a few facts : Many drivers on this site, have in the past said ` If foreign drivers cannot grasp our language, how can they understand road signs, etc…If we are in a foreign country, we must be able to grasp a bit of the language, if only to buy a beer or a meal, and the beaucracy has neve r been a problem for the english, as there has always been at least one who can speak various languages especially in dispatch. To take a dcpc in a foreign language…can be done, in each others countries, and the card is accepted in each others countries…so WHY should we lay on special schools for those who cannot or will not learn our language, that will add extra costs to the courses for foreign students…whereas it would be much cheaper to do it at home. Tell me what other countries we can do the dcpc in english ■■..I have Bulgarian residency, i cannot take a citizenship test, as it is done only in the bulgarian language, and i am not allowed a translator, even though i am entitled to citizenship through marriage…so as i dont speak enough bg to take the test, and too old to learn it fully, i will stay as i am. But my point is, if you need to take tests in your mother tongue, in another country, then you must learn their language and not expect them to change for your benefit, as there are many foreign students who come to the uk to study at uni, they too have had to learn the language first. BTW, i am not having a pop at foreigners, merely stating facts, and within the driving community, surely its a must to be able to understand directions, and road signs…maybe thats why so many foreign drivers are involved in accidents, or mishaps as a sign that says NO entry for vehicles over 5t, or wider than ■■ or road narrows to the size of ■■ must be able to understand.
Isnt this why we have standardised signs throughout Europe? No need to learn any foreign language to understand a pictogram. All Stop signs say STOP on a red octogon. Never Halt or Arret or anything else. Heights and widths are figures and arrows. No need for words anywhere in road signs is there? I do expect someone to tell where it is necessary, but it wont be too many cases will it?
robroy:
No need to learn a language if you’re running Europe, most UK drivers I have seen get their point across by shouting loudly in broken English, …they all know foreigners understand that method.
I normally end up buying a beer with a burger if I can’t understand anything else on the menu. Also Douche seems to be understood all round the EU in services/truck stops.
Franglais, there are many signs which need to be understood in English. WIDTH RESTRICTION…NO PARKING…ROAD NARROWS, SIGNS ON SITE SUCH AS: DRIVERS ARE NOT ALLOWED TO■■? OBSTRUCTION ON CARRIAGEWAY…ANIMALS IN ROAD…CHECKPOINT AHEAD STOP IF REQUIRED…NO ENTRY FOR HGV ( at a factory entrance ) NO OVERNIGHT PARKING: there are many more signs that need to be understood that do not have a picture, BUT YOU GET MY DRIFT…I`ve been running abroad for many years, and often cannot read the signs myself, and have made a few mistakes…but i dont see the need to lay on language teachers in the uk, when the dcpc card is available in most countries in western europe…If a Pole can obtain a hgv licence in Poland, why can he not also obtain the dcpc card there too, and this applies to any foreign national working in the uk.
If a driver is doing a language course ,his partner could be foreign or he simply wants to better him or herself,what would be wrong with some of the learning time counting towards the DCPC .
I went to my dentist a couple of weeks a go, there were a couple of foreigners in the waiting room…the receptionist said to them ( in english ) the translator is on her way…you couldnt make it up could ya, and now drivers are saying : Foreigners should be able to take a DCPC in their language in the UK…FFS.
