nothing as common as a lambo please pagani or better please
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Mind you technology is nowt new in truck driving.
Back in the day many companies fitted âmicrowave bunksâ to their vehicles. Drivers could have a full night off in under 4 hours.*
*Allegedly.
joking aside here is the thing about this. now i have calmed down and can look at it objectively.
getting lost and going to the wrong store was my fault. that lost a lot of time. Once i got to the correct place and tried to get the code to get into the gate the deliberately obstructive answers i was getting didnât help the situation and only served to wind me up more. by 9am my 12 hours was up it was also clear to the office i wouldnât get back by 12. They should of told me to come back to the depot at that point rather than telling me if i did i would loose my job. They also lied about the amount of help i would get once i was on the delivery point but obviously as i hadnât done the drop before i didnât know this.
When i got on the delivery point and was told by the store member what i had to do i should of said no and refused to deliver but for various reasons and with the lose of my job at the back of my mind i didnât. Admittedly this was my second mistake and is something i need to work on addressing some how.
When i finished the drop and called in to say i had an hour to get back to the yard and wasnât going to make it They told me to get somewhere safe and they would collect me. At this point i had no reason to disbelieve them. I didnât know about the rule that says if i am going anywhere but home i am still on the tacho. nor did i know that it was illegal to night out in a vehicle with no bunk.
When i got to thurrock i should not of pulled my card i did so so i could be ready and organized to jump in the rescue vehicle or for the relief driver to put his card in. Again in hindsight i shouldnât of stopped at thurroc but kept going and got to the yard outside of the 15 but as i said at that point i had no reason to believe they wouldnât pick me up given that is what i had been told and was written in the procedures i was given and signed.
When it became clear that they werenât comeing to pick me up i should of locked the vehicle to the best of my ability ie the cab but not the back doors and got the bus or a taxi back to the yard. As i said above i didnât do that because i had returns on where people had returned stuff to the store and at induction it was drummed into us they had to be taken back to the depot asap otherwise it would delay peoples refunds. The other reason i didnât feel comfortable was the ground was littered with those plastic security tie things and thurroc services is renowned for having stuff stolen.
IMHO No. Definitely no.
If there was an incident you were over your hours and driving.
Probably nearer what I would have done. Once your 15 was up, and if no bed available there, then going to an hotel or back to depot is the best (given where we are, not where we want to be) option. Do a printout before taking card out and note on the back that you did work longer than you should, that you were given false info and therefore your circumstances were unforeseen, and that you did not actually drive the vehicle when your time was up.
Yes. But time is lost for many reasons.
Both drivers and managers should be able to adapt plans once time is lost.
Loosing time at the start of a shift does not mean IMHO that being late at the end of a shift is âunforeseenâ.
What was being suggested was not legal. It is hard to describe it as reacting to âunforeseen circumstancesâ, but that might be said. That might have been a âget away with itâ strategy. I suspect many would go along with that. It ainât right, but is a bodge once in a bad situation.
Load security is absolutely down to the office not supplying someone to meet you as they said they would.
NB I am taking everything coop says as honest and accurate. I think we all are.
I daresay that the company involved and, rightly IMHO, none have been named, might have a different story.
donât get me wrong im not using the fact i didnât know that getting a lift back to the yard should be counted on the tacho and that i didnât know sleeping in a vehicle with no bunk was illegal at that time as an excuse.
also had someone tried to steal the fuel im not saying that im billy big bananas and would of gone and challenged them i was hoping my mere presence would would put them off.
your are agency, have no job
you are a â â â â â and the pimp sends you to â â â â â â â â here and there
client does not like you no more, pimp sends you to â â â â â â â â elsewhere
see the analogy?
Getting lost leaving insufficient time to complete the job without running out of hours just requires the call not enough time left, for whatever reason it doesnât matter, returning to base.If they want the flexibility of being able to max out your hours they need to invest in sleeper cabbed trucks.
I donât buy the red herring of being able to do the job and find suitable parking and a hotel vacancy.Not enough time means not enough time.
When it was clear that Coops shift was going to hell in a handcart for whatever reason - doesnât matter whose to âblameâ for it, pointy shoes or her supervisor should have stepped in an curated the rest of the shift. Staying in contact to see how things were progressing and have an end plan in place eg organising a rendevous point and having a driver waiting to meet Coop and take over. Slamming the phone down on him just shows a lack of competance and zero responsibility to the truck, load and worst driver.
On a side note but sort of relevant a local truck dealer had a unit from a very large supermarket in for repair. This was completed and as is usual with dealer workshops parking was difficult to non-existant so the supermarket was contacted to say vehicle was ready come and get it, itâll have to be parked on the street outside. Despite numerous calls that unit sat on an industrial estate for two weeks before they finally got around to picking it up.
There are a lot of posts above and not all in the best order, but Coops did say that one of the office workers did say âwe will meet and collect youâ after he arrived at the RDV and waieted for his pickup then another resulted in a different message âyou are on a night outâ.
No offence to Coops, but we only have his side of events.
But it does sound like a classic FUBAR.
From here we can see what should have happened, but when you hear âWe will arrange a RDVâ then what would you do?
Trust them, or call them liars and just drive back?
Youâre the driver hours regs are the drivers responsibility not the office.No I wouldnât trust the office if they are saying get the job done and book a night out with a day cab.Nor would I even trust them if they said carry on with the job and weâll sort something out.
I wouldnât even have called the office in this case.There wasnât enough time to get the job done with a day cab truck.Their problem.
Not sure how pertinent your input is, Carryfast; you havenât seen the inside of a truck for quarter of a century. The local priest would have as much expertise, on transport related matters. 
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The local priest would also know more than CF aboutâŚ
Ah I canât.
Itâs Easter, provide your own punchline.
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It doesnât take a priest to know that maxing out hours and night out and a day cab are mutually exclusive.
Hereâs a question for the people who know this stuff.
Company I work for deliver to the islands off the west coast of Scotland
One of the drivers recently was stuck on the island overnight as the last two ferries were cancelled.
Now obviously being a builders merchants itâs a day cab. The company phoned all round and there were no places left in any overnight accommodation , fortunately driver found one and stayed there. (Company paid obviously).
What would have been the results if driver hadnât of found accommodation?
Quote: ââ What would driver do if no accomadationâ'?
Obvious wtf could he do other than improvise ? 
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OptionsâŚ
1.Head down the local pub or nightclub with a view to getting lucky with the local talentâŚ
(Robâs top tip if you prioritise on a good brekkie over good looks .aim for a gilf rather than a bimbo.
)
2.Sleep across the seats, or if warm weather under a tent made with sheet on the back.
3.Or sleep under the front of truck (good option if he wanted to get up âoilyâ in the morning.)
(Hope that helpsâŚI have actually done all of these over the years 
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Outrageous, whereâs the censor when you need it? 
Assuming it is a rare and unforeseeable event, then I doubt much would happen at the time, if a copper got narky.
The issue I would think is how to carry on after the next ferry eventually arrives And how to use the tacho.
Get on and off the ferry of course.
But at that point the driver has had no legal daily rest, has he?
So start a daily rest ASAP to get legal again.
Depending where the home depot is, and what hotels etc are available, make a choice.
Maybe more practically the company could send a double manned van out to recover the driver so no driving on public roads is involved at all?
That is safer for all, gets the vehicle back and the driver gets to go home for a clean pair of undies, and can start a legal rest when home.
Sleeping across the seats is what would happen if no beds available, but that is not a legal daily rest.
The average priest would never have given a thought to either day or sleeper cabs, nor for that, driversâ hours and fatigue management.
Again Carryfast, you purport experience and expertise of a subject of which you have had zero inter course, for quarter of a century.
How many changes and amendments have occurred to the legislation in that quarter of a century, since your brief but disastrous foray into our industry?
^^^^^^
ââZero inter course for quarter of a centuryââ.
Yep,.that would explain a lot.
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